Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[Disney]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

We do have a standard..... it is the Yorkshire terrier standard except for color. What is so hard about that? The Parti is not a separate breed.

She mean the standard for parti is incredibly vague. If no structure to standard, you just have any dog in ring. If parti just mean 'not blue and tan' and should be allow in ring...That contradict the standard so bad I no understand how both colours can coexist peacefully. It like saying on one hand I believe this, and on other I don't. Standard cannot be 'blue and tan' and 'not blue and tan' just...No sense make to me.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

It is not a guessing game, you dont guess at pedigrees.

From what I seen it is a guessing game. Different people different idea on how the parti originated, whether was crossbred or was always there or was specifically bred by man in US allowing leeway..There no specific answer, only opinion which to me is just big guess. Just my take on everything I read/heard from different breeder.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

We do have a standard..... it is the Yorkshire terrier standard except for color. What is so hard about that? The Parti is not a separate breed.

I understand that, but as I said earlier the color is an important part of the standard, and is written very detailed. Here's the way Colors are now written:




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Color on Body
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The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.
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Head fall
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A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.
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Chest and Legs
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A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

How would you change that to include parti? Would you say all of the above and some random white?

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Disney

She mean the standard for parti is incredibly vague. If no structure to standard, you just have any dog in ring. If parti just mean 'not blue and tan' and should be allow in ring...That contradict the standard so bad I no understand how both colours can coexist peacefully. It like saying on one hand I believe this, and on other I don't. Standard cannot be 'blue and tan' and 'not blue and tan' just...No sense make to me.

Just what is vague about this.......
The Parti Color Standard is the same as the AKC Yorkshire Terrier with the exception being the color.

General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose silky straight hair is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are Dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round . Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.

Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
Colors
Parti-Color --Two or more solid colors, One of which must be white.( Must have 30% white on the body.)
Blue, White and Tan/Gold
Black, White and Tan/Gold
Gold and White
Tan and White
Brown/Chocolate and White
Brown/Chocolate, White and Tan/Gold.
Masks are preferable for the parti color but the nose, eye rims and lips must be well pigmented.
Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.
DISQUALIFICATIONS
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Any change in coat color by artificial means. Albinism and Merle.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Just what is vague about this.......
The Parti Color Standard is the same as the AKC Yorkshire Terrier with the exception being the color.

General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose silky straight hair is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are Dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round . Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.

Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
Colors
Parti-Color --Two or more solid colors, One of which must be white.( Must have 30% white on the body.)
Blue, White and Tan/Gold
Black, White and Tan/Gold
Gold and White
Tan and White
Brown/Chocolate and White
Brown/Chocolate, White and Tan/Gold.
Masks are preferable for the parti color but the nose, eye rims and lips must be well pigmented.
Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.
DISQUALIFICATIONS
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Any change in coat color by artificial means. Albinism and Merle.

That. Extreme vague.

[gardenyorkies]

Originally Posted by chachi

Im not debating anyone this is just a random question but the parti gene is in other breeds how are they judged in the rings or are they also disqualified from their breed clubs because of color fault. Im really curious about this

Yes, there are many other breeds that have color faults (I say faults because as the standard is written that is what they are)...They are able to register these color faults with the AKC but are not able to be shown in AKC conformation classes and should not be reproduced (Pets Only)...I know that Boxers for ex. are disqualified from the ring if they have more than 1/3 of white on their body...so yes they are disqualifed...

The standards are written to protect the breeds as they are, not to be toyed with...If we allow allow all of the breeds to be bred willy nilly..Just because there are a few others who like this color combination then we will not be protecting the breeds as they are now...They will no longer exist...that is simple genetics!

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Disney

That. Extreme vague.

You cannot dictate where spots will be or what color the head will be in partis. Geeesh

[Breezeaway]

Disney you need to go read up on Parti colors more. Not just the yorkie but other breeds of parti colors then maybe you will understand more.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

You cannot dictate where spots will be or what color the head will be in partis. Geeesh

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Disney you need to go read up on Parti colors more. Not just the yorkie but other breeds of parti colors then maybe you will understand more.

I do not understand the history, I admit. Too many different story for me to get it. But I do understand colour, I just saying that be not being able to dictate or know what colour or how colour will be, putting into standard makes no sense. You can't have both ways. As the parti coat standard is now, there no room for both traditional and parti in the standard. When there more structure than just 'colour free for all,' then new colour will be accepted.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Disney you need to go read up on Parti colors more. Not just the yorkie but other breeds of parti colors then maybe you will understand more.

I agree with Disney, it is vague, and you have to write a standard so that a judge will be able to understand the best example of that breed. It just sounds like way it is written is too general, and you need to be more specific on where the colors are placed, the white may be random, but are all the other colors random too?

Colors
Parti-Color --Two or more solid colors, One of which must be white.( Must have 30% white on the body.)
Blue, White and Tan/Gold
Black, White and Tan/Gold
Gold and White
Tan and White
Brown/Chocolate and White
Brown/Chocolate, White and Tan/Gold.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

If the Yorkshire Terrier were just a black and tan dog, without any specific markings, then adding white to the mix would not be much of a problem. However the Yorkie isn't just black and tan, it's blue and gold, and the blue in itself is very difficult to obtain, and must only be on certain parts of the dog. The head, legs, and saddle all have rules for their color. It also seems like once you get the white, you lose the blue, and it's more of a black then a blue. I guess I see a problem because it just sounds like the white can be anywhere, and what about the other colors, would they not matter at all?

The yorkie has many examples of black and tan dogs. Even though they no longer adhere to the standard...many yorkies don't have the proper blue/tan coat. The parti is no different. It's all in how they are bred. Yes..some parti's will stay black...and many of the blue fades to light silver. For the most part...that is because pet bred yorkies are the majority of the lines being bred into the parti. Once they are consistantly bred to better quality yorkies..their color will improve drastically. This is just the beginning for the parti. Better days are upon us.

I know this will open myself up to critiques...but I don't care. Here are a few pics of my boy...who IMO has the correct dark blue on the blue portion of his coat. As you can tell...even in the last pic where he is shaved nekkid...his color is correct. It shows his nice structure and top line too.

[gardenyorkies]

This is quite simple...IMO...The standard is already written for the Yorkshire Terrier and does not allow white...The standard requires it to be blue & tan and that it be in specific locations on the Yorkie...

[Breezeaway]

Nancy you need to join Disney and read up more on parti colors and how you cannot place spots on a dog. They are random.
Your placing way too much emphasis on color instead of the whole standard.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

The yorkie has many examples of black and tan dogs. Even though they no longer adhere to the standard...many yorkies don't have the proper blue/tan coat. The parti is no different. It's all in how they are bred. Yes..some parti's will stay black...and many of the blue fades to light silver. For the most part...that is because pet bred yorkies are the majority of the lines being bred into the parti. Once they are consistantly bred to better quality yorkies..their color will improve drastically. This is just the beginning for the parti. Better days are upon us.

I know this will open myself up to critiques...but I don't care. Here are a few pics of my boy...who IMO has the correct dark blue on the blue portion of his coat. As you can tell...even in the last pic where he is shaved nekkid...his color is correct. It shows his nice structure and top line too.

Yes, and they considered pet quality and is not championed.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Nancy you need to join Disney and read up more on parti colors and how you cannot place spots on a dog. They are random.
Your placing way too much emphasis on color instead of the whole standard.

The debate is about colour so of course place emphasis on it?

I still curious to know: How can you fairly add 'any colour as long as 30% white and two solid colour' to 'blue and tan' without destroying standard?

EDIT: We know you cannot predict where spot. Hence we ask: How do you fair add to standard?? Even best parti breeder has no idea what coat is gunna pop out.