Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

Forgive my ignorance but I don't understand the politics of it all. Isn't there room for both standard yorkie breeders and parti colored breeders? Can breeders who breed parti colored yorkies not participate in the show ring?

Some folks love the traditional black/tan and others love the parti colored yorkies.

I like the traditional colored but the more photos I see - love the parti too. I am not a breeder, or in the show ring or anything like that.

I just love beautiful pets ~ like most folks who aren't professional breeders or competing in the show ring, etc.

I know it sounds confusing - but what we are talking about is the standard - what is the guidline for what yorkies should be.

The standard states:
Colors:Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.
Disqualification: Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.
Information from ytca about Parti-colored: Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

When I returned to yorkies I had to figure this one out too - since I had never seen a parti in all my early years, not until I got on the Internet and started to see photos. I still have not seen one in person.
I would not call it politics since there really is no argument since we should be looking and following the standard. It is simple - JMO. I do have to say - I think parties are cute - but they are not to standard as it is written. If I am breeding I will stick to the standard.

[Brooklynn]

All dogs are cute in their own way...but I'll stick to the standard as written

Donna

[topknot]

This is one of my pet peeves: Anyone who advertises "champion line" and when you look at the pedigree the champions are way back beyond the 3rd generation. Just another gimic to sell their pups and using the hard work that past breeders did. If they want to say champion line - they need to go to shows and have their own dog become a champion. JMO

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

All dogs are cute in their own way...but I'll stick to the standard as written

Donna

One can only be responsible for their own program. Based on the fact there is no perfect dog. A breeding program should be one that is improving the breed and every breeding if done correctly should be attempted to accomplish that.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

One can only be responsible for their own program. Based on the fact there is no perfect dog. A breeding program should be one that is improving the breed and every breeding if done correctly should be attempted to accomplish that.

Wise words!

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

One can only be responsible for their own program. Based on the fact there is no perfect dog. A breeding program should be one that is improving the breed and every breeding if done correctly should be attempted to accomplish that.

[Woogie Man]

I agree that starting off with the best stock you can acquire is the route to go. However, 'the best you can acquire' will vary widely from person to person.

If you take 2 open-pedigreed Yorkies (even nice ones) and put them together, you may get a nice pup or two, maybe not. You will not have anything to build on, though, no matter any one pup's qualities. There is no substitute for having a dog that is the result of well thought line breeding. With anything else, there are too many wild cards that will be expressed. I've seen it said that you likely won't live long enough to go any other route other than starting with quality line bred dogs and I do think it's true.

I didn't go the prescribed route but have been fortunate enough to acquire what I consider a quality breeding pair. My challenge now is to not squander what I've got and build something for the future.

I'm like a lot of you in that there isn't a lot of opportunity for getting started showing in my area. I'm mentor-less as far as show preparation goes, there's no breed club nearby to gain handling experience and I've had cold feet about getting into the ring unprepared.

With the litter I have now, I'm keeping a girl back as a prospect. I wish I was better prepared as I feel she has a chance, but she's the one I'm getting my feet wet with. I have been fortunate in recently meeting someone that has years of experience in showing and grooming Poodles and Yorkies, also some puppy match judgung. I took my girl to see him and he went over her point by point in evaluating her. It was good to see her picked apart by someone knowledgeable and get a good evaluation. He actually inquired about any males I might have from the litter for himself so I think he liked what he saw.

My point (if I have one LOL) is that it's extremely important to start with the best dogs you can. After that, you may have to tailor a path best suited for yourself, but you really have to get out there with your dogs to know if your breedings measure up.

[yorkiegirl2]

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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Not the same thing. Since LS has no genetic marker to determine where a dog is a carrier, and bile acids can only determine that the dog does not have LS. The dogs that are 'known' by parti breeders to be parti carriers are being Championed.

What is the difference in Championing a Parti carrier or a regular off colored yorkie who doesn’t fit the standard without enhancements ??

Sounds like the Parti breeders are working the system same as the regular breeders who don’t meet the standard (color wise).

If the YTCA and it’s members are worried about this problem maybe it’s time to work with the Parti breeders to get a variation of the Yorkshire Terrier breed started.

I’m sure the Parti breeders would rather show full Parti’s over carriers.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

What is the difference in Championing a Parti carrier or a regular off colored yorkie who doesn’t fit the standard without enhancements ??

Depends on what you mean by "enhancement." That phrase can cover a very wide variety of things...do you mean outright dying a dogs hair, or using a product that just enhances color, or a finishing spray to make hair shiner, or slicker brush....etc etc. Those, as well as just about anything used for grooming, can be considered "enhancements."

[kpstoybox]

[quote=BamaFan121s;3209163]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Looking past whether or not breeding partis is "ethical", and strictly for hypothetical purposes...On an argument based on what may or may not be considered a 'fault', how would it be any different than Championing a dog that may not have LS, but who may be a carrier? True, the dog may have a CH title, may make breedings more marketable, but what does it really matter if the dogs he produces have LS. Same concept, I suppose. Sure, the dog may not actually be a Parti, the CH title may make the pups more marketable, but what would it matter if the dogs produced are Parti and non standard.

That's kind of what I take the statment to mean.

Wow...now your reaching. Whether hypothetically or not...how can you even compare a coat COLOR to a life threatening condition? They are not even on the same page.

And the reasons for showing and finishing a traditonal colored yorkie that just happens to be a carrier...is no different then others showing and finishing their traditional's. It helps to validate a breeding program.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

What is the difference in Championing a Parti carrier or a regular off colored yorkie who doesn’t fit the standard without enhancements ??

Sounds like the Parti breeders are working the system same as the regular breeders who don’t meet the standard (color wise).

If the YTCA and it’s members are worried about this problem maybe it’s time to work with the Parti breeders to get a variation of the Yorkshire Terrier breed started.

I’m sure the Parti breeders would rather show full Parti’s over carriers.

Remember the purpose of the YTCA is the "protector" of the standard; it's not to accept every variation of standard a breeder can produce. Pet owners may desire more variety, but variety in a dog breed is not necessarily a good thing for the breed, and after a while, they could start looking like mutts.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Wow...now your reaching. Whether hypothetically or not...how can you even compare a coat COLOR to a life threatening condition? They are not even on the same page.

Nope, not reaching. And no, I was not trying to compare the two...thus why I said HYPOTHETICALLY. I was trying to make sense of the statement and was used the first thing that came to mind as an example...apparently it was not a good example. Take my words for face value, as they were intended. I was not even remotely trying to insinuate that color and life threatening conditions were comparable. Guess I should have thrown in a few more disclaimers to make that clear.

My point was, that if you CH a dog, based on the breed standard, it really doesn't amount to a hill of beans if in the very next generation, that dog is passing on undesireable traits or health issues--how much would that really 'validate' one's program.

[kpstoybox]

What is the difference in Championing a Parti carrier or a regular off colored yorkie who doesn’t fit the standard without enhancements ??

Sounds like the Parti breeders are working the system same as the regular breeders who don’t meet the standard (color wise).

If the YTCA and it’s members are worried about this problem maybe it’s time to work with the Parti breeders to get a variation of the Yorkshire Terrier breed started.

I’m sure the Parti breeders would rather show full Parti’s over carriers.

Bingo!
Everyone needs to watch that video in the general section. That handler/groomer took a dog who did not meet the standard color, and within a few hours...she was a brand new dog and ready for the ring. And they call it "enhancement". LOL I call it...fooling yourself, your breeding program, and the judge.

Many show breeders claim they want to protect the beautiful blue and tan "trademark" coat of the Yorkshire Terrier. After watching those video's...you can't help but wonder how many of these wonderful coats are real or "enhanced"?

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Depends on what you mean by "enhancement." That phrase can cover a very wide variety of things...do you mean outright dying a dogs hair, or using a product that just enhances color, or a finishing spray to make hair shiner, or slicker brush....etc etc. Those, as well as just about anything used for grooming, can be considered "enhancements."

I'm talking about wrong colored dogs that the only way to meet the standard is to dye the dog or use color enhancements to obtain the correct color.
Those dogs would not meet the standard if shown without doing so.

Those who do not like dogs who carry a Parti gene mean little because if a carrier meets the standard then it has every right to be shown.
The dog is after all correctly colored per standard.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Many show breeders claim they want to protect the beautiful blue and tan "trademark" coat of the Yorkshire Terrier. After watching those video's...you can't help but wonder how many of these wonderful coats are real or "enhanced"?

That's a very good point. Because I'm sure that video is perfectly representative of every single breeder/representative that steps into the ring with a dog, eh? Just as I'm sure that the BYB breeding the "Partis" that don't even resemble Yorkies and selling them for Rare at $5K a pop are representative of every single Parti breeder out there. Because if one person is doing it, then let's condemn the whole lot...