Yorkshire Terrier Club of Ethical Hobby Breeders

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

It says:




This just doesn't seem to be much of a description, does this mean that they need no blue at all? How would a judge even attempt to judge a parti with this description? It seems to me, if you're serious about showing, you would need more of a written standard than this. For example, here's the written standard;



Colors
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Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.
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Color on Body
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The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.
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Head fall
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A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.
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Chest and Legs
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A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Compared that with the parti standard, which is: Parti-Color --Two or more solid colors, One of which must be white. This just doesn't seem descriptive enough. If you're waiting for the YTCA to write a standard for the parti, I think you'll have a long wait.

The CYTC uses the YTCA standard with the exception of the color.

CYTC...Club Fees & Notices

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by gemy

Well thanks for that response which in no way answered any of the questions I asked. I find it interesting, that there is no informative responses to my post (yet).

So not to belabor the points I made above but only to re-iterate, why is the YTCA so against moving to a subsect of the breed in terms of colour?

Are there any concerning genetic reasons for this? WHERE is the data?

No there are no genetic issues specific to the parti color.

I have no idea why the YTCA is against having another color category, you'd have to ask them.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

The CYTC uses the YTCA standard with the exception of the color.

CYTC...Club Fees & Notices

I think you miss point a bit. Nancy mean the standard for colour is vague. She asking how would a parti be judge in ring because their no real colour standard..Coat wise, what would judge be look for? (Genuine question, I confused.) Just that they colourful? Is there any define marking? Or just...Well..Not be blue and tan? How would you change the Yorkshire standard as is now to include parti? (also serious question, I really want know.)

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

The Parti color Yorkie has the same health risks as the traditional color because it is a yorkie. The word Parti means 2 or colors. Color does not make it a separate breed.
Nancy you need to go back to the parti site and reread the standard.
We would love to sit down and talk with the YTCA about the parti, but as of right now they will not even speak, email or acknowledge us.
Taking the wrongful parti information off the YTCA website would be a nice start.
The YTCA openly bashes the parti-color but yet we are the bad ones for speaking up about it.
It is sad that the YTCA cant find in their hearts to openly discuss adding a variation for the parti color, A truly amazingly, beautiful Yorkshire Terrier.

Actually the word partirefers to random spotting. A tri colored dog with a specific predictable pattern would not be considered parti colored.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer

This has been a very nice thread.. although it has strayed from the original post a bit. I don't believe the minds of those of us who already firmly believe one way or the other on this issue will ever change.. however, there has been some good information presented to help those sitting on the fence to at least understand both sides of the issue.

I believe if you want excellent yorkies to bring into your Parti lines, there are wonderful breeders who will sell them to you.. I have been approached on many occassions for my Biewers from VERY reputable yorkie breeders who are
extremely interested in the color variations of the Yorkie. I think we only hear from a very small community on this forum, but there is a vast group of YTCA members who are either thinking seriously about "Joining the Parti" or have already "crashed it" ...

I understand wanting to cover your eyes and hope these "spots" go away; but I don't think that's going to be the case. We are going to show where we can.. we are going to breed the BEST dogs we can using the Yorkie standard in every way but color.

We are yorkie breeders and we put every bit as much of our heart and soul into our programs as any other good, ethical yorkie breeder does. We set goals, we make sacrifices, we work hard. Many of us have earned respect from our peers .. it may just take a bit longer to earn respect from the rest of you... but we'll get there too.. it's one of the goals.

-Diana

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Disney

I think you miss point a bit. Nancy mean the standard for colour is vague. She asking how would a parti be judge in ring because their no real colour standard..Coat wise, what would judge be look for? (Genuine question, I confused.) Just that they colourful? Is there any define marking? Or just...Well..Not be blue and tan? How would you change the Yorkshire standard as is now to include parti? (also serious question, I really want know.)

A parti is a dog with random spotting. that is all there is to it. Other breeds just use the word psrti. No explanation is need because there is no specific pattern.

[BamaFan121s]

Wow....that was harsh! She has just as much right to participate in the converstation and voice her opinions as anyone else...that's someone for another member to dictate.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Disney

No, I not a breeder yet and I did own yorkie mix before he pass on. I has been doing lot and lots of research on yorkie, so I have no idea what this comment is supposed to mean? Care to enlighten me?

It means you should be asking questions not giving opinions on a subject that you know nothing about.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Wow....that was harsh!

perhaps, but she knows nothing about the subject so she should be learning and asking questions not offering opinions on subject that she has no knowledge of.

Would you take the advice of some random person off the street that has had no experience in yorkies or breeding?

[Disney]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

It means you should be asking questions not giving opinions on a subject that you know nothing about.

Everyone allow right to post opinion here. This thread itself is informative, and I do lot of research too, you not in my head, you no know what I do or do not know. Everyone has right to post, so I continue to post and give my opinion on this sort of topic- I never would interfere with whelp, breeding question other than to state the obvious (breed to standard, no breed 'teacup') This is not topic where I cause serious harm by posting uneducated opinion. Those thing I know nothing about. What I do not know, I ask question. What I do know, I post opinion. I ask about parti standard because I don't know. I post opinion on ethical breeding because everyone has opinion, and I believe know enough to be helping.

I believe my opinion useful and valid too.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

perhaps, but she knows nothing about the subject so she should be learning and asking questions not offering opinions on subject that she has no knowledge of.

I refer you to this post. You no know what I do or not know. When I has question, I ask. When have information, I post opinion.

Originally Posted by Disney

Everyone allow right to post opinion here. This thread itself is informative, and I do lot of research too, you not in my head, you no know what I do or do not know. Everyone has right to post, so I continue to post and give my opinion on this sort of topic- I never would interfere with whelp, breeding question other than to state the obvious (breed to standard, no breed 'teacup') This is not topic where I cause serious harm by posting uneducated opinion. Those thing I know nothing about. What I do not know, I ask question. What I do know, I post opinion. I ask about parti standard because I don't know. I post opinion on ethical breeding because everyone has opinion, and I believe know enough to be helping.

I believe my opinion useful and valid too.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Wow....that was harsh! She has just as much right to participate in the converstation and voice her opinions as anyone else...that's someone for another member to dictate.

Thanks you for sticking up for me.

[Disney]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Would you take the advice of some random person off the street that has had no experience in yorkies or breeding?

I have had pet yorkie. How is pet owner opinion different to other pet owner who have post in this thread? Why only I not allow opinion Jeanie?

[Elle]

[QUOTE=magicgenie;3210412]My best dogs are imports. The shut-out and control issues I felt early on, mostly by YTCA, sent me overseas to get good dogs. There are not many in the US I would even consider bringing into my breeding now. Foreign breeders are more professional and businesslike, and the price is usually high enough to keep the mills and BYB away. My dogs and puppies are consistently in excellent health and beautiful. Getting the exact blue and gold described in the YTCA standard is hellish and one has to be careful not to compromise health to get it. People should go to shows and see with their own eyes the pretty little correct blue and gold specimens some politically connected YTCA members are stringing up and dragging, limping, around the ring, and winning titles with this unsound junk.
I've enjoyed this thread very much, learned a few things, and remain open minded and tolerant of differences.



It blows my mind how people will criticize our confirmation standards because they don't have yorkies good enough to fit in. They take short cuts then say things like this to justify them.

Only after you are actually showing in AKC can you judge what is being shown. You cannot go to a show one day to decide what is being put in the ring. This post is rude.

Sure there are some yorkies in the ring that are inferior to others. I spend my life at shows. Saying that members are dragging around unsound junk is a slap in our face. You paint your broad brush too. Where is the compromise to health? Foreign breeders, just look at what they are putting in the ring. We don't really want to talk about heath do we?




I'm so tired of people saying bad things about the YTCA. People just want to justify what they are breeding.

Did anyone look at the presidents website? Does everyone know? Miracle Yorkies. We know her history.

By the way, our standard is not gold. It is tan. People want to take short cuts to breed inferior dogs. Showing is hard work. It's expensive and you have to have exceptional yorkies. Few people have them. Few people are committed to doing it. They will make many excuses for having inferior dogs instead of saying the real reasons. I'm sick and tired of people bashing us.

Breeders want to breed to make money. They can sugar coat it anyway they like. There's no ethics in that.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Would you take the advice of some random person off the street that has had no experience in yorkies or breeding?

Advice? She wasn't offering any advice, not about breeding or anything else that's going to cause any "harm." She was stating her opinion on the matter, which she is entitled to do. It was no more or less than what anyone else here as posted. As much as Partis are discussed here, who on Earth do you think is going to take that one opinion out of all the rest and see it as the gospel?