newborn with open head (stuff coming out) sorry! but want to help someone

[HannahandMo]

Met a fellow yorkie owner this morning at the doggie park. I started talking to and she was telling me about her breeder friend. She said she advised her a little while ago to let her puppies die??? She said the puppies were born with their brains (gel like blood substance sort of hanging out the top??). She said one of the ladies pups was already dead, but the other one is alive. I'm so repulsed I wasn't sure what to say so I walked over to the bathrooms to post this? Is that correct, should that lady tell her something. ? I don't want to jump in and say your crazy to say something like that. I guess one of the pups are still alive but its head is indented and that gel? stuff is hanging out.? I've never heard of such a thing. Could I say something informative to her? I don't know. Anyone know of this or where I could research it. The lady I am talking to is not a breeder (her friend is). Does she know what she is talking about. ????? She said she has "more" in there left? I would like to say something to save them if anything is to be said??? Hopefully no others will be born that way???

[mimimomo]

It sounds like open fontanel: Open fontanel in dogs | PetDoc
As the pup gets older, some closes up by themselves. They can live a healthy normal life. Maybe your friend should consult a vet...

[Nancy1999]

It sounds worse than Open Fontal, which is a soft spot where the scull hasn't fused together; with Open Fontal, skin at least, is covering the brain. You have to be very careful that there is no injury to the spot, and dogs that produced these puppies should never breed again. With the brain actually exposed, I would guess the chance of survival is small. I would hope the "breeder" gets the dog to the vet immediately. What does it take to get people to go to the vet? We had a thread on euthanasia, and so many breeders didn't know of a humane way to end the suffering, so I would never recommend that without a vet's advice.

[Rhetts_mama]

I agree that it sounds worse than open fontanel, but rather more like a meningomyelocele (sorry- going blank on the term for when it protrudes out the fontanel as opposed to an opening in the spinal cord right now).

I would hope that since it happened in more than one pup, the woman wises up and decides not to breed again.

[HannahandMo]

Yes stuff coming out of the top of the head sounds a little different. I did tell her "in my opinion she should tell her to go to the vet". She looked at me and said well "in my opinion you should really mind your own business. She's been breeding dogs for about 15 years". I just picked up Hannah and walked away at that point. If that lady had been breeding for 15 years. Why in the world wouldn't she know what to do I'm going to try and research it when I am back home out of curiousity. But I thought she was just a bit rude and that's a shame. I know there must be emergency vets that are open on Sundays too so what would it hurt to bring those poor little babies in!!!!!

[HannahandMo]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I agree that it sounds worse than open fontanel, but rather more like a meningomyelocele (sorry- going blank on the term for when it protrudes out the fontanel as opposed to an opening in the spinal cord right now).

I would hope that since it happened in more than one pup, the woman wises up and decides not to breed again.

I couldn't find that term in reference to the head of the puppy? I know I sure do hope so as well. I have no idea about the others, but even if one puppy had that, the parents should be spayed/neutered. Not sure if that is a male/or female or both hereditary issue.

[DvlshAngel985]

That just sounds odd. So her opinion to kill the pups is more valid than yours, when she doesn't know what she's talking about? Nancy is right, the breeding pair that were used to breed these poor pups should be fixed and not used again. At least that's what I hope a responsible breeder would do.

[HannahandMo]

I don't think her opinion is more important than mine :-) Obviously she just thought I was a nosey body for giving my opinion, but maybe she was offended that I got up and left to the restroom. I kind of wear my expression on my face so maybe that bothered her. Who knows. I don't feel she is right, but I haven't a clue about something like that. Oh well, some people just get offended very easily. I feel sorry for anyone that buys the other pups even if they are ok, because I do think they will probably pass that issue down and maybe they won't have it, but later their babies may. Hopefully she will just spay/neuter the other babies (if they lived and rehome them as pets)

[Connie]

Originally Posted by HannahandMo

Yes stuff coming out of the top of the head sounds a little different. I did tell her "in my opinion she should tell her to go to the vet". She looked at me and said well "in my opinion you should really mind your own business. She's been breeding dogs for about 15 years". I just picked up Hannah and walked away at that point. If that lady had been breeding for 15 years. Why in the world wouldn't she know what to do I'm going to try and research it when I am back home out of curiousity. But I thought she was just a bit rude and that's a shame. I know there must be emergency vets that are open on Sundays too so what would it hurt to bring those poor little babies in!!!!!

OMGosh! She told you to mind your own business! That is crazy! Any other person who cared about dogs would have suggested the same thing to her. I can't imagine that someone with puppies in that condition would not go immediately to a vet. Those poor babies. So sad.

[Gennies]

Oh Hannah I'm so sorry you had to deal w/such a rude person!!! I really don't understand how heartless some people can be. It's too bad you don't know who the breeder is so that you could call animal control on her...isn't there a law that requires her to seek medical attention for such a thing? I would think so. But all we can do is hope and pray that they do the right thing and the puppy isn't in pain. (((((Hugs))))) to you for dealing w/such a monster today!

[Ringo1]

I think your advice was spot-on. Wouldn't common sense tell this lady to seek medical attention if there is stuff coming out of your pet's head????

Sheesh.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I agree that it sounds worse than open fontanel, but rather more like a meningomyelocele (sorry- going blank on the term for when it protrudes out the fontanel as opposed to an opening in the spinal cord right now).

I would hope that since it happened in more than one pup, the woman wises up and decides not to breed again.

Found the word I was looking for (don't you hate it when you have a word on the tip of your tongue and it won't roll off?)

The condition I was trying to remember is encephalocele, or encephalomeningocele (the first refers to a sac filled with spinal fluid,the second refers to a sac with brain tissue coming through a defect in the skull). The condition isn't always fatal, but in surviving children there are nearly always severe neurological defects.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

I think your advice was spot-on. Wouldn't common sense tell this lady to seek medical attention if there is stuff coming out of your pet's head????

Sheesh.

[megansmomma]

OMG! I feel sick~literally nauseous even thinking about having this conversation with this woman. This has got to take the YT worse ever breeding experience! I seriously don't even know why I even looked at this thread.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Connie

OMGosh! She told you to mind your own business! That is crazy! Any other person who cared about dogs would have suggested the same thing to her. I can't imagine that someone with puppies in that condition would not go immediately to a vet. Those poor babies. So sad.

I totally agree That poor puppy needs the vet and right now, What is wrong with people ? Sometimes the hard thing to do is the BEST thing to do & it's up to HER to do what needs to be done - which was to rush to the vet right away. What a horrible thing to read.