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Old 06-25-2010, 08:54 AM   #136
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I didn't follow the thread. By the time I made the comments about what could happen in breeding it already did. It's sad and it upset me very much. Many emotions.


Breeding should only be done to honor the breed. It's crucial to protect the breed. People did this as a gift to us. We owe it to the future of the breed we love so much. There are thousands of poorly bred yorkies that need homes now. Why add to them? There isn't any honor in this. Study, go to shows, be a servant and take pride in doing the right thing. Join a local kennel club if you don't have anyone local.
The right people won't help people that take them for granted. Dogs having sex to make puppies isn't safe, it's not beneficial to the breed. They cannot take care of themselves. Humans are beacons to these precious little beings. Shelters are full, rescues are full.
It takes a teacher and servant to the breed.

Breeding when done for the right reason, with very educated breed fanciers looking to improve the breed can have beautiful results.


These yorkshires-They are a gift to us, not to be used. It takes many many many years years to learn how to be a breeder of yorskshire terrier.
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I've stopped coming to the forum because of posts like this. It boils down to this. If people aren't doing enough homework prior to breeding that someone has to go online to actually ask questions like is my yorkie pregnate. It's a breeding that is bad. 90%+ of them should not happen. It's horrible what people subject their dearest baby they love more than anything to.

People don't have any clue what goes on. It's as if unskilled uneducated person decides to breed. So they will ask questions. Then when they don't hear what they want, the forum isn't information coming from humans with real life experiences. Suddenly we're all elitests out to attack because you want only what you want and no reality as we know it. That isn't breeding. Breeding isn't all about puppy breath. It's often leads to death. Dead moms, dead puppies, dogs with genetic defects being bred, homeless dogs, poorly bred dogs continuing this the cycle.

Folks want to come on here and willy nilly around like the topic is to use a bow is a topknot at home. Why don't have expect a big push back?

I for one, I'm tired of the misapplied breeding. This isn't geared at any one person. It's good that the forum is here, but it should be a learning tool.

Twenty years studying the breed-This is starting someowhere. It's only a start.
the only reason i asked that question if my yorkie was pregnant doesn't mean i didn't research i bred my husky before and she was showing sooner then chloe that's why i ask every breed is different and i was wondering if it took doesnt mean i don't know something geez
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the only reason i asked that question if my yorkie was pregnant doesn't mean i didn't research i bred my husky before and she was showing sooner then chloe that's why i ask every breed is different and i was wondering if it took doesnt mean i don't know something geez
Which means that you did not do your homework, or you would have known how it is with yorkies.

You bred a husky, that does not mean that you know what all is involved with breeding a toy breed.

You should have read everything you could get your hands on and asked questions prior to breeding.

That being said, it is still not too late to learn, and I'm glad that you are here asking questions NOW, because you have a lot to learn before she is due. For the sake of your yorkie and her babies, please listen and learn.
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I've stopped coming to the forum because of posts like this. It boils down to this. If people aren't doing enough homework prior to breeding that someone has to go online to actually ask questions like is my yorkie pregnate. It's a breeding that is bad. 90%+ of them should not happen. It's horrible what people subject their dearest baby they love more than anything to.

People don't have any clue what goes on. It's as if unskilled uneducated person decides to breed. So they will ask questions. Then when they don't hear what they want, the forum isn't information coming from humans with real life experiences. Suddenly we're all elitests out to attack because you want only what you want and no reality as we know it. That isn't breeding. Breeding isn't all about puppy breath. It's often leads to death. Dead moms, dead puppies, dogs with genetic defects being bred, homeless dogs, poorly bred dogs continuing this the cycle.

Folks want to come on here and willy nilly around like the topic is to use a bow is a topknot at home. Why don't have expect a big push back?

I for one, I'm tired of the misapplied breeding. This isn't geared at any one person. It's good that the forum is here, but it should be a learning tool.

Twenty years studying the breed-This is starting someowhere. It's only a start.
Me too, cause you know if they do not know the correct terminology, or the correct spelling, that they have not read one single book about breeding, or reproduction of any sort, in any mamal.

And that is scarey.
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What makes me sad is the FIRST person to give you true good advice, you jumped on saying you were being attacked and had enough for one day. Makes me wonder if you posted this thread just for fun because you 'heard' how passionate the breeders here are and maybe you wanted to 'stir them up' so you could pretend offended?? Weird.
if you had read everything i had wrote i did get bashed and bashed good i met a few ppl on here some were also bashed that r breeders over something else and r now my friends i came on here to meed other yorkie owners and learn first hand instead of what i read in the books...they are totally different from when i bred my female husky there was less stress and i did all the precosious that had to be done the x-ray when she had them i went in on a sunday to have her an the babies checked out and glad i did cause she had another 1 inside her that didn't show on the x-ray i wouldn't of known to get an x-ray done till ppl on here told me and ty for that..sadly i lost the little girl and racking my brain thinking i did something wrong and is finding it hard to get over the lost cause i wanted a girl to keep and she was the only girl..the boys seem to be doing good but i keep checking them and weighing them..i spent more money in breeding my yorkie then anything but i would spend any money for her good health and the pups..maybe these ppl who bashed me r good breeder but they should come on less strong when trying to help they just stressed me out more which i didn't need i'm glad i met the friends i have met on here and will post pics of the boys soon thanks
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if you had read everything i had wrote i did get bashed and bashed good i met a few ppl on here some were also bashed that r breeders over something else and r now my friends i came on here to meed other yorkie owners and learn first hand instead of what i read in the books...they are totally different from when i bred my female husky there was less stress and i did all the precosious that had to be done the x-ray when she had them i went in on a sunday to have her an the babies checked out and glad i did cause she had another 1 inside her that didn't show on the x-ray i wouldn't of known to get an x-ray done till ppl on here told me and ty for that..sadly i lost the little girl and racking my brain thinking i did something wrong and is finding it hard to get over the lost cause i wanted a girl to keep and she was the only girl..the boys seem to be doing good but i keep checking them and weighing them..i spent more money in breeding my yorkie then anything but i would spend any money for her good health and the pups..maybe these ppl who bashed me r good breeder but they should come on less strong when trying to help they just stressed me out more which i didn't need i'm glad i met the friends i have met on here and will post pics of the boys soon thanks
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Maybe I should have just let it die... but when you were first conversing with Diamondsdad you were happy bc he was happy, but then some very experienced breeders came on to say stuff to you and you immediately called it bashing and said you 'heard that happens here but never experienced it' and that you had enough for one day. It was like you were waiting 'to be bashed' (your words) bc of how quickly you jumped to say that you were being bashed. Whatever though.... I am not a breeder.

Again I am very sorry for the loss of your little girl. That is terrible and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. I will tell you that the boys are AWESOME! I have 2 mommas boys and they are just sooooo awesome. I don't know if I'd ever get a girl ... if you don't have a boy, you might want to keep one of the boys, he will be a total mommas boy and never leave your side.
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the only reason i asked that question if my yorkie was pregnant doesn't mean i didn't research i bred my husky before and she was showing sooner then chloe that's why i ask every breed is different and i was wondering if it took doesnt mean i don't know something geez
I don't think you understood my reply. Did you read my post? What happened when she went into labor? I'm confused about the number of puppies and what happened I wasn't online when throughout the topic. By the time I replied?
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if you had read everything i had wrote i did get bashed and bashed good i met a few ppl on here some were also bashed that r breeders over something else and r now my friends i came on here to meed other yorkie owners and learn first hand instead of what i read in the books...they are totally different from when i bred my female husky there was less stress and i did all the precosious that had to be done the x-ray when she had them i went in on a sunday to have her an the babies checked out and glad i did cause she had another 1 inside her that didn't show on the x-ray i wouldn't of known to get an x-ray done till ppl on here told me and ty for that..sadly i lost the little girl and racking my brain thinking i did something wrong and is finding it hard to get over the lost cause i wanted a girl to keep and she was the only girl..the boys seem to be doing good but i keep checking them and weighing them..i spent more money in breeding my yorkie then anything but i would spend any money for her good health and the pups..maybe these ppl who bashed me r good breeder but they should come on less strong when trying to help they just stressed me out more which i didn't need i'm glad i met the friends i have met on here and will post pics of the boys soon thanks
First of all, I am so sorry you lost two puppies. That must be incredibly heartbreaking. I am not a breeder, nor will I ever be because I don't think I can handle such a loss.

Having said that, the part of your quote I highlighted is the problem with this kind of post. What "first hand experience" will you get from an online forum? The forum is so far detached and breeding is a really serious and potentially fatal endeavor, as unfortunately you learned first hand. In order to really learn first hand experience, a potential breeder needs to find a someone that will be their guide through the breeding journey. Reading, attending classes, and learning the standard are a fantastic way to start, but they DO NOT replace the the wonderful guiding hand of a mentor.

I love this forum, there is so much to learn and it is a great resource. It is also a place to meet friends. I have real live friends that started out as YT friends.
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Which means that you did not do your homework, or you would have known how it is with yorkies.

You bred a husky, that does not mean that you know what all is involved with breeding a toy breed.

You should have read everything you could get your hands on and asked questions prior to breeding.

That being said, it is still not too late to learn, and I'm glad that you are here asking questions NOW, because you have a lot to learn before she is due. For the sake of your yorkie and her babies, please listen and learn.
hi jeanie chloe was due today or tomorrow but had her pups on sunday night father's day.i called my vet as soon as she was trying to push the first 1 out and i called a yorkie breeder i met on here that lives 45min from me to walk me threw it when the 2nd one a boy was coming out feet first i said what should i do and she didn't know either..so when chloe pushed i put my 2 fingers and pushed up with her and that helped her when the 3 came out a girl and 2 boys and she was producing milk the breeder told me to take her to the vet and get a shot that helps with that since he was already at the office with another emergency i went right over..lord and behold he felt another 1 inside her it took he also did another x-ray to confirmed this he said lets wait 2hrs to see if she pushes it out so we waited and when she didn't he gave her the needle to help produce the milk and help with the contractions..he came out 15min later but he was already gone maybe that's why she went a wk early...sadly when i got up wed morning the day of going to the vet to get the tails docked and declawed removed my little girl was gone i took her to the vet when i went and he doesn't know what happened and i cried big time..the little boys i call samson and scooter the feet first little guy is doing great but i'm driving my husband mad cause i'm always in there checking on them he keeps saying to leave her alone cause she keeps picking 1 up as if she wants to hide them but i'm just so nervous now about losing them...will post pics soon when i'm not so tired and head foggy lol
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hi everyone posted pics of the pups under my album wasn't sure how to put them under my quote for everyone to see so just go to my album to see my new boys and thanks
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hi jeanie chloe was due today or tomorrow but had her pups on sunday night father's day.i called my vet as soon as she was trying to push the first 1 out and i called a yorkie breeder i met on here that lives 45min from me to walk me threw it when the 2nd one a boy was coming out feet first i said what should i do and she didn't know either..so when chloe pushed i put my 2 fingers and pushed up with her and that helped her when the 3 came out a girl and 2 boys and she was producing milk the breeder told me to take her to the vet and get a shot that helps with that since he was already at the office with another emergency i went right over..lord and behold he felt another 1 inside her it took he also did another x-ray to confirmed this he said lets wait 2hrs to see if she pushes it out so we waited and when she didn't he gave her the needle to help produce the milk and help with the contractions..he came out 15min later but he was already gone maybe that's why she went a wk early...sadly when i got up wed morning the day of going to the vet to get the tails docked and declawed removed my little girl was gone i took her to the vet when i went and he doesn't know what happened and i cried big time..the little boys i call samson and scooter the feet first little guy is doing great but i'm driving my husband mad cause i'm always in there checking on them he keeps saying to leave her alone cause she keeps picking 1 up as if she wants to hide them but i'm just so nervous now about losing them...will post pics soon when i'm not so tired and head foggy lol
have to redo what i said i've talked to the breeder that helped me threw this and i thought she never had any come feet first and she had a couple and was the 1 who told me to push up when she pushed to help her i was a little freaked and scared and she helped me threw this a true friend and was the 1 like i said suggested i go to the vet to get the needle to help the milk come and to me she saved my chloe cause i would never have know about the dead male inside her since the x-ray only showed 3 pups..i didn't know if i was coming or going that night but she helped me threw it and the boys seem to be doing great i bought a digital scale and i'm weighing them everyday .
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have to redo what i said i've talked to the breeder that helped me threw this and i thought she never had any come feet first and she had a couple and was the 1 who told me to push up when she pushed to help her i was a little freaked and scared and she helped me threw this a true friend and was the 1 like i said suggested i go to the vet to get the needle to help the milk come and to me she saved my chloe cause i would never have know about the dead male inside her since the x-ray only showed 3 pups..i didn't know if i was coming or going that night but she helped me threw it and the boys seem to be doing great i bought a digital scale and i'm weighing them everyday .
It is not unusual for them to come back feet first. It is when they come butt first that is considered breech. Not sure what you mean by "pushing up". I would be concerned with injuring the ones still inside.

The first week it is important to weigh them a couple of times a day to make sure they re gaining. You can lose them so fast, waiting one day is too long.

As for the mother trying to move them, do you have the bed inside an xpen? My mothers never try to move them. I handle them daily so they get used to being handled. I weigh them daily for the first two weeks, longer if I have one that is lagging behind.
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It is not unusual for them to come back feet first. It is when they come butt first that is considered breech. Not sure what you mean by "pushing up". I would be concerned with injuring the ones still inside.

The first week it is important to weigh them a couple of times a day to make sure they re gaining. You can lose them so fast, waiting one day is too long.

As for the mother trying to move them, do you have the bed inside an xpen? My mothers never try to move them. I handle them daily so they get used to being handled. I weigh them daily for the first two weeks, longer if I have one that is lagging behind.
when my chloe was pushing i just pushed up gently on her what you called it vulvar to help them get out..yes i weigh them morning and night to see if there getting the milk..she's a first time mom and i think she misses being with me cause she came out today and sat on the couch with me for a little bit..i think she wants them out to play or something cause she brings them out of her box i have 1 of those carrying boxes and the vet said that was fine since she's small when they get bigger i will be making a bigger rm for her to move around..she had 1 dead inside her a boy and i lost the girl i was keeping after 3 days don't know if it was because she wasn't getting the milk or mom sat on her it was sad and i cried and still mad about losing her but i guess it happens thanks
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when my chloe was pushing i just pushed up gently on her what you called it vulvar to help them get out..yes i weigh them morning and night to see if there getting the milk..she's a first time mom and i think she misses being with me cause she came out today and sat on the couch with me for a little bit..i think she wants them out to play or something cause she brings them out of her box i have 1 of those carrying boxes and the vet said that was fine since she's small when they get bigger i will be making a bigger rm for her to move around..she had 1 dead inside her a boy and i lost the girl i was keeping after 3 days don't know if it was because she wasn't getting the milk or mom sat on her it was sad and i cried and still mad about losing her but i guess it happens thanks
For the next time, you don't push close to the vulva, you gently push back on the thighs. But, one has to know when to use this procedure.

The reason she keeps on moving them out of the box, is she's trying to hid them. You need to cover her area. She doesn't want anyone to see them.
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