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BethanyLee · 04-25-2010, 11:01 AM

Before I post this question/situation, PLEASE if you are going to bash on me and say how irresponsible I am, please don't waste my time. Things happen and my boyfriend and I are seriously concerned and not sure of what to do. So please, only post helpful or insightful information.

Ok, so here goes. My boyfriend and I have two yorkies (and a mutt). The male yorkie is 2 yo and 10 lbs. Our baby girl Gabby is 10 1/2 months old and 4.8lbs. We were planning on breeding them once (against my will and better judgment) but not until her second cycle. Well, things didn't go as planned and yesterday we caught them locked. We have had them separated all throughout her heat and have done everything possible to avoid this from happening. I had them together for 5 minutes (Gabby also had one of those diapers on as well) and I turn my back for one to close the dishwasher and they were locked. They stayed like that for about 5 minutes although it seemed a lot longer. My boyfriend and I are extremely concerned on what to do. We know that our options are emergency spay, or let her carry to term. We are dead stuck in the center. My heart is leaning towards an emergency spay but there is a part of me that would feel horrible if my boyfriend didn't get his chance to have her have puppies. My main concern is her age, and the size of my male. He is a little more than half her size (in pounds) and although he was a small puppy, I'm fearful of her being so young still. We are taking her this week to the vet to get their opinion, but I have to say a lot of vets are biased on breeding due to the increased amount of back-yard breeders. If anyone could please give me some helpful advice/opinion, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you

-concerned mommy of 3 furbabies

BonBon · 04-25-2010, 11:09 AM

From what you've written, you already know the right thing to do. There are so many things that can go wrong - even for the most experienced of breeders - is it really worth risking your baby for?

Micah my love · 04-25-2010, 11:09 AM

I am not about to bash you but i will tell you if you want to do the responsible thing take her right away and get her spayed she is a 4 1/2 lb baby not old enough or big enough to be having babiesand i would also take the male along to be neutered

Ladymom · 04-25-2010, 12:09 PM

I agree with everyone else. Get her spayed ASAP. I'm sure your BF would be much more upset if she died than never to have her puppies.

YorkieRose · 04-25-2010, 12:11 PM

It is a gamble. Things could go fine despite her age and smaller size.
Then again things could go terribly wrong..are you a gambler with your companions well being? If so, the decision will be to continue with the litter..if not, you will have her spayed asap.

livingdustmops · 04-25-2010, 12:19 PM

I agree with the other posters but you knew the answer already. Some one has to be a voice for her. I am very concerned with her size and the size of the male..that along is a big concern and she easily could have to have an emergency c section and you could lose her.

Why does your boyfriend want her to have babies? If you feel he cares about her why not sit down and do the asset/liability test on a piece of paper ..one side is why we should spay her and the other side why we should not. One you have your thoughts down on paper then I am guessing you will see what you are to do that is right for your little girl. While many people say it is natural for dogs to have puppies, they do it everyday, it is different when you get into the toy breeds and many die during birth.

If your boyfriend wants the $$ for them (puppies) it is really tough times to sell puppies and while it seems you could make $$$ there are a lot of threads where more experienced people will tell you they lost $$$.

Good Luck in your decision and I hope you do right by your little girl.

maryeverett1 · 04-25-2010, 12:51 PM

I am in no way a breeder but I COMPLETELY and 100% agree with what the pros are saying above. They know what they are talking about and have the best interests of your baby at heart in their advice! Your baby is too young and too small to have a litter and especially since your male is so big. The chances of you losing her are iffy but based on what they said above the chances of a c-section are very high. Also from what I have read good breeders spend a lot of money once a litter is born and sometimes break even or very little money is made and a lot of round the clock work is done. I can tell you as someone who just went through a c-section with my baby it was a nightmare and cost me about $1600 when all was said and done. I lucked out but wish I had found YT before I went through what I had to go through and would have gotten sound advice from pros like you are getting here! Breeding is not something to do one time to just try it out! It's for experienced people who have gotten training way before a litter is ever conceived and plan and have been highly educated for every single stage all the way through each puppy finding a home! I think if you are smart (and it sounds like you are) you will listen to the advice the pros have given you, not risk the life of your sweet pea and just enjoy your baby! I wish you all the luck in the world! I know its a hard decision but I think you already know what is best to do! Have a great day!

BamaFan121s · 04-25-2010, 01:52 PM

Having her spayed would definately be in her best interest. There is a huge weight difference between them...it will still be significant when she is fully grown. She's a puppy now. He is way over the standard. Breeding them, either now or months down the road is NEVER going to be a good idea. Be d***ed with what your BF wants in this case. Your obligation if to your dog, not your boyfriend who is going to be disappointed over two dogs that hsould never be bred in the first place.

Accidents happen...it's what you do after them that matters--what's best for your female, or what your BF wants.

ArmaniMan · 04-25-2010, 02:09 PM

It certainly sounds like you know the right thing to do... it is really in her best interest to be spayed now.

If you and your BF really want to breed in the future, you always have the option of finding a mentor and starting that process later. Also at 10 1/2 months she may never get any bigger and never be a suitable dog to breed.

Good Luck in your decision!

luvdorkyyorkies · 04-26-2010, 06:52 AM

DO they have a next day pill for dogs as they do for humans?

If they do thats another option for now. I only mention it because its much better then allowing her to have this first litter.
But I wouldnt allow her to have those puppies. The circumstance could be terrible. WIth her age, her hips are probably not wide enough to pass puppies easily, especially puppies that could be large. It would probably be a definite C section and if you dont move fast when they need a c section, you generally end up with puppies that dont make it.

jackson25 · 04-26-2010, 07:09 AM

As others have already said, get her spayed! No reason to take a gamble. You may lose her and I am sure you do not want that.

Mardelin · 04-26-2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies

DO they have a next day pill for dogs as they do for humans?

If they do thats another option for now. I only mention it because its much better then allowing her to have this first litter.
But I wouldnt allow her to have those puppies. The circumstance could be terrible. WIth her age, her hips are probably not wide enough to pass puppies easily, especially puppies that could be large. It would probably be a definite C section and if you dont move fast when they need a c section, you generally end up with puppies that dont make it.

No they don't have the morning after pill for dogs.

I think you meant her pelvic area being wide enough to pass puppies.

To the OP you're thinking logical and with your girl's best interest. Whatever you decide, I hope it's not based on your boyfriends wishes.

You have been given excellent advice and the advice I agree with. However, if you make the decision of continue. Make sure you are willing to accept all that goes with this decision. Gain as much information you can, find a mentor, be prepared to give up 12 weeks of your life (yep, you will be tied down and your life will be completely devoted to this mom and her pups).
Make sure you have a heavy bank account available. If anything goes wrong, you'll need it.

I ask you one question; Are you prepared to lose your girl?

luvdorkyyorkies · 04-26-2010, 07:32 AM

THank you Mardelin, yes pelvic area is what i meant, I was just speaking lay terms.

I wish you all the luck in the world and hope all goes well in any decision you make. It is your decision.
BUt I do want to say, Ive had lots of litters of puppies thru time. The worst cicumstances Ive ever had is litters of puppies with a girl 5 lbs or under and these were girls who were well over one yr of age, bred to a smaller male, and even then I had problems. It was expensive and heartbreaking, and it was not a practice I would repeat.

04-25-2010, 11:01 AM	#1
BethanyLee YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: pflugerville, tx Posts: 4	Need some advice please Before I post this question/situation, PLEASE if you are going to bash on me and say how irresponsible I am, please don't waste my time. Things happen and my boyfriend and I are seriously concerned and not sure of what to do. So please, only post helpful or insightful information. Ok, so here goes. My boyfriend and I have two yorkies (and a mutt). The male yorkie is 2 yo and 10 lbs. Our baby girl Gabby is 10 1/2 months old and 4.8lbs. We were planning on breeding them once (against my will and better judgment) but not until her second cycle. Well, things didn't go as planned and yesterday we caught them locked. We have had them separated all throughout her heat and have done everything possible to avoid this from happening. I had them together for 5 minutes (Gabby also had one of those diapers on as well) and I turn my back for one to close the dishwasher and they were locked. They stayed like that for about 5 minutes although it seemed a lot longer. My boyfriend and I are extremely concerned on what to do. We know that our options are emergency spay, or let her carry to term. We are dead stuck in the center. My heart is leaning towards an emergency spay but there is a part of me that would feel horrible if my boyfriend didn't get his chance to have her have puppies. My main concern is her age, and the size of my male. He is a little more than half her size (in pounds) and although he was a small puppy, I'm fearful of her being so young still. We are taking her this week to the vet to get their opinion, but I have to say a lot of vets are biased on breeding due to the increased amount of back-yard breeders. If anyone could please give me some helpful advice/opinion, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you -concerned mommy of 3 furbabies

04-25-2010, 11:09 AM	#2
BonBon Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: With my yorkies Posts: 10,350	From what you've written, you already know the right thing to do. There are so many things that can go wrong - even for the most experienced of breeders - is it really worth risking your baby for? __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. -- Author Unknown

04-25-2010, 11:09 AM	#3
Micah my love Donating YT 100K Club Member & Top YorkieTalk Poster! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: western KY Posts: 108,935	I am not about to bash you but i will tell you if you want to do the responsible thing take her right away and get her spayed she is a 4 1/2 lb baby not old enough or big enough to be having babiesand i would also take the male along to be neutered __________________ Betty & Micah my love + Yogi

04-25-2010, 12:09 PM	#4
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	I agree with everyone else. Get her spayed ASAP. I'm sure your BF would be much more upset if she died than never to have her puppies. __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

04-25-2010, 12:19 PM	#6
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	I agree with the other posters but you knew the answer already. Some one has to be a voice for her. I am very concerned with her size and the size of the male..that along is a big concern and she easily could have to have an emergency c section and you could lose her. Why does your boyfriend want her to have babies? If you feel he cares about her why not sit down and do the asset/liability test on a piece of paper ..one side is why we should spay her and the other side why we should not. One you have your thoughts down on paper then I am guessing you will see what you are to do that is right for your little girl. While many people say it is natural for dogs to have puppies, they do it everyday, it is different when you get into the toy breeds and many die during birth. If your boyfriend wants the $$ for them (puppies) it is really tough times to sell puppies and while it seems you could make $$$ there are a lot of threads where more experienced people will tell you they lost $$$. Good Luck in your decision and I hope you do right by your little girl. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

04-25-2010, 12:11 PM	#5
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	It is a gamble. Things could go fine despite her age and smaller size. Then again things could go terribly wrong..are you a gambler with your companions well being? If so, the decision will be to continue with the litter..if not, you will have her spayed asap.

04-25-2010, 12:51 PM	#7
maryeverett1 BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 795	I am in no way a breeder but I COMPLETELY and 100% agree with what the pros are saying above. They know what they are talking about and have the best interests of your baby at heart in their advice! Your baby is too young and too small to have a litter and especially since your male is so big. The chances of you losing her are iffy but based on what they said above the chances of a c-section are very high. Also from what I have read good breeders spend a lot of money once a litter is born and sometimes break even or very little money is made and a lot of round the clock work is done. I can tell you as someone who just went through a c-section with my baby it was a nightmare and cost me about $1600 when all was said and done. I lucked out but wish I had found YT before I went through what I had to go through and would have gotten sound advice from pros like you are getting here! Breeding is not something to do one time to just try it out! It's for experienced people who have gotten training way before a litter is ever conceived and plan and have been highly educated for every single stage all the way through each puppy finding a home! I think if you are smart (and it sounds like you are) you will listen to the advice the pros have given you, not risk the life of your sweet pea and just enjoy your baby! I wish you all the luck in the world! I know its a hard decision but I think you already know what is best to do! Have a great day!

04-25-2010, 01:52 PM	#8
BamaFan121s Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alabama Posts: 11,432	Having her spayed would definately be in her best interest. There is a huge weight difference between them...it will still be significant when she is fully grown. She's a puppy now. He is way over the standard. Breeding them, either now or months down the road is NEVER going to be a good idea. Be d**ed with what your BF wants* in this case. Your obligation if to your dog, not your boyfriend who is going to be disappointed over two dogs that hsould never be bred in the first place. Accidents happen...it's what you do after them that matters--what's best for your female, or what your BF wants.

04-25-2010, 02:09 PM	#9
ArmaniMan I ♥ Armani & Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 3,895	It certainly sounds like you know the right thing to do... it is really in her best interest to be spayed now. If you and your BF really want to breed in the future, you always have the option of finding a mentor and starting that process later. Also at 10 1/2 months she may never get any bigger and never be a suitable dog to breed. Good Luck in your decision! __________________ Armani & Chloe

04-26-2010, 06:52 AM	#10
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	DO they have a next day pill for dogs as they do for humans? If they do thats another option for now. I only mention it because its much better then allowing her to have this first litter. But I wouldnt allow her to have those puppies. The circumstance could be terrible. WIth her age, her hips are probably not wide enough to pass puppies easily, especially puppies that could be large. It would probably be a definite C section and if you dont move fast when they need a c section, you generally end up with puppies that dont make it. Last edited by luvdorkyyorkies; 04-26-2010 at 06:53 AM.

04-26-2010, 07:09 AM	#11
jackson25 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Quincy, IL Posts: 3,668	As others have already said, get her spayed! No reason to take a gamble. You may lose her and I am sure you do not want that. __________________ Mary JacksonGracieTuckerRosey BentleyAbigayle

04-26-2010, 07:32 AM	#13
luvdorkyyorkies BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,681	THank you Mardelin, yes pelvic area is what i meant, I was just speaking lay terms. I wish you all the luck in the world and hope all goes well in any decision you make. It is your decision. BUt I do want to say, Ive had lots of litters of puppies thru time. The worst cicumstances Ive ever had is litters of puppies with a girl 5 lbs or under and these were girls who were well over one yr of age, bred to a smaller male, and even then I had problems. It was expensive and heartbreaking, and it was not a practice I would repeat.