I completely agree. What better way to show your love than to make sure she gets the home she's deserved all along?

And I also fear for the life those two puppies have ahead of them.

Ok, I just read the entire thread. Some of you obviously read something different than I did.

What I read is she got a dog that was skinny and did not act correct. She then spoiled it and gave it all the food it wanted and treated it right so it overcame whatever had happened to it as a puppy. Now it has developed problems with other dogs and she came on here asking for help and if this was normal. I have to say I was very impressed by the members at the beginning of this thread who answered the questions and tried to help with solutions.

I am not at all impressed with some of the members at the end of the thread.

She is a very loving pet owner with a very real problem that can and does happen sometimes with dogs. Dogs by nature have alpha males and females and when you have two competing alphas you get problems. As for the cane to separate dogs if you have never seen to dogs lock on each other you can not possibly understand how difficult it is to separate them, without two people and leather gloves handy it can be next to impossible. You have no idea how horrible it is to see your babies attacking each other and being unable to get them apart, you would do whatever it took if faced with the same situation. With bigger dogs you risk serious personal injury stepping into a fight.

You left out the part where she uses her cane on her dogs. And the part where one dog ate the others pups. Or the part where she won't consider fixing them because she breeds for money to pay her bills.

You left all that out.

i think that comparison is wrong

that sounds more like show breeder and unethical breeder

i dont show but i have nice dogs that i breed and find great homes for
i am careful for which homes i choose and i have contracts and vet care ..etc... i think that chart in not accurate..i think it needs 3 selections

show breeder. hobby breeder. byb

but i am involved with rescue since i was 12
i am involved with the training and believe i am knowledgable in the breed
i offer breeder support..so even when the puppy leaves i will help with any concerns or problems that arrise
already stated i had references
already stated i do follow ups
contracts
waiting list sometimes
parents on site..all friendly and loving
gee im not doing too bad on that list...just something i choose not to do
i feed good food, that me and vet have chosen together
im a stay at home mom so i am always here with them
i dont even allow visitors so no need to wash hands...no visitors until they puppies have been vaccinated then i use hand santizer
keep my puppies with mom
raised with an active lively family
i match up puppies to customers
dont sell to impulse buyers...its planned out and prepared from birth almost
i interview and check references
careful of homes with children
i dont check income thats rude..if they can afford a yorkie most people are alright to care for it
my contract states these are indoor pets and i am persistent on that but never had a issue on it
my contract explains the time in adjusting, training and behaviors

so yeah im on the first i just dont show, test or check peoples income taxes

And I have to say that I'm not very impressed with you. Not at all.

"Skin and bones" is not merely skinny. You have no problems with taking in an abused, ill, starved and terrified animal and immediately subjecting it to pregnancy? You consider that spoiling 'it'? Really? If so, I'd love to hear how you spoil yours.

Many of us have separated fighting dogs but have never used a cane to the point of making them being sore, subdued and timid the next morning as the op has said she's done.. That is beating - not separating!!

I have read your words over and over and still cannot believe that anyone would try to justify or defend this woman. Obviously money is power. And your poor puppies are bringing in the money for you.

You are kidding me right? You missed that the dog was about a year old and then got pregnant, and perhaps pregnant again???

You agree with breeding an abused one year old female, and putting her up for another breeding??


Gawd help me

Give me a break...it is not just breeding females that do this...as a breeder you should know this...

I had two neutered Yorkie males that hated each other and trust me I am fully aware of what could happen and I never once used a cane or gloves for that matter..If you have to do this with your yorkies you have a severe problem.

Oh and if you want to separate bigger dogs that get into a fight ... put your thumb up their a$$ and they will stop fightening..you don't have to hit them, kick them or use any other means...

Stop with the " she is a loving pet owner" talk. I am not buying and frankly I doubt many people on YT are. You must think everyone is pretty stupid here. YOu also might want to study up on the Alpha theory..it is also BS.

This is the behavior of a kennel raised dog. The cycle will end when pet stores stop purchasing these dogs from these large farms and people get their puppies from breeders who raise their dogs in their homes and who socialize them properly. Until this happens these dogs are out there and hopefully they do find their way into loving homes and not just get shuffled from one puppy mill to the next and suffer a life of living in boxes in substandard living conditions.

Where is the big wall and us hitting our heads..:eek:

But, you don't test your dogs.....

What Nancy described is correct.

i just have to disagree

i know you have done this longer and have tons of knowledge but this is almost standard

i have seen females get along perfect for years with pregnancy and heats and then one day they get into...i dont see wheres that an aggression issues at all...

hell i snap on people sometimes doesnt mean i have aggression issues or that my kids will...i know they arent people but i think its silly to not think they will never disagree and always get along as best buddies

Evidently you aren't aware that some of the top breeders have kennels...however, their dogs are carefully bred for temperament, health and structure. Aggressivenes is not a product of being kennel raised.

Listen...I did Yorkie rescue in AZ. I am fully aware of busting a puppymill in this state. I also know breeders that dumped their dogs in the desert when they were done with them... I also have dogs that lived in kennels..the list could go on.

YOu cannot justify to me any of this and why this woman is breeding this dog and all you are doing is proving to me you are part of the problem...the cycle just continues.

how is that a true statement? again you are judging and dont know me

im not hiding anything ..i never claimed to test and actually have never been asked by anyone that has ever contacted me about wether my dogs were tested or not...and i have never asked it either...

i think its wonderful for people that do to it though

I think that is why she came on here asking for help because she had as serious problem that needed a solution.

I do not think everyone is stupid on here, I do think there is a lot of negativity on here though. Even if she had the dog whisperer come in and personally take care of her dogs many people on here would say how terrible she is because she breeds them.

Thumb in the butt, wow, never heard of that trick before. Somehow I don't think most of us would see two dogs fighting and ever think. OMG I need to stick my thumb in their butt to separate them.

The wall just keeps getting bigger and bigger...:(

this seems to be getting out of control... maybe the Admin should close the thread?

I respectfully disagree. I have been in too many breeder/exhibitors, people that I know and visit frequently, homes with few girls in Season at the same time and have never witnessed aggression in their females or mine. My in Season girls spend all day together, some even sleep together, until it's time to take them to their whelping area. It is a genetic trait.

im not trying to make you feel bad or say you didnt get her out a bad situation but you still bought paid for a yorkie from someone that was truly a unethical breeder and when you did that you still supported them

how many times has that been posted on here

dont get the puppy at the store or the pm or the byb because you are still supporting them no matter how sad the puppy looks

LOL!!! That is too funny! I wonder if it works with fighting MEN!!!:D:D

And this is your idea of how to properly socialize dogs? :confused:

Ok, I said I would refrain from posting any more, but now you have me very ticked off! Golden Parti is a very great breeder, and I've talked extensively with him about many problems. HE has always been kind, caring and considerant to everyone! You have no need to attack him for any reason at all!
I HAVE followed suggestions that were given to me by this group! The Xpen is being used, and I also put Calypso up for adoption before I even put anything on this group about her!!!!
I did NOT use my cane to hit them!!! I used the shaft of it to try to pry them apart - no different then the specail gloves someone else used.
As far as the taxes, we could have paid for them, but the money helped us. What do you do with the money when you sell pups?
THAT is not the main reason we have Yorkies!!!! If we were only interested in the money part of it we would be beyond broke! We have invested a lot of time and money to acquire better dogs and have a better breeding program.
We did NOT get her pregnant on purpose!!! We at that time didn't know the signs to look for -- so sue me, we were new to this at the time. We didn't even know to say that she was abused until after she was pregnant. We bought her from a lady in our state, who raises Yorkies, and we trusted her. Now we get to know the breeder quite well before we buy a puppy from them. We all learn as we go, so if you want to condemn me, for being uninformed then go ahead.
I keep very good records now of all the dogs and puppies; all are up-to-date on shots; they have their teeth cleaned once a year; and anything else that they need is well provided for. They lack for nothing, and are completely house raised. The only time they are outside for anything, is when they use the doggy door to go potty. They are clean, brushed, and get baths!
Ok, so I'm not in the same league as a lot of you, but that doesn't mean I'm a bad person, and that I don't love my dogs and take very good care of them.
I have not critized any of you for having a big kennel set up where they are in cages and used like livestock to produce puppies. It's not my place to judge anyone or put them down. All I was asking for was some friendly advice -- which is what I thought YT was all about!!!! Instead you get me so upset that my blood pressure is sky high!
Everyone has gone way off the deap end on this thread, and blown everything waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
The fights have stopped with the dogs because I took the advice and seperated them. We do NOT just raise them or have them for the money part of it!!!
I am seriously thinking of getting off of YT because of this thread! It's unbelievable to me, how many hurtful and mean things have been said. This is suppose to be a helpful place where you can say what is in your heart and on your mind, without being condemned and people wanting to make it so that you don't have Yorkies. My hubby said said, I shouldn't have said anything at all to the group about this problem -- guess he was right! God, himself, knows that we love our dogs and take very good care of them. HE is the only judge that counts. God bless you all, and I hope that the next person that has a problem, doesn't get treated this way. Please don't continue to take statements and stretch them all our of portion to make it seem like it is more then what it was meant to be.
Barb
P.S. Golden Yorkie, I'm soooooooo sorry that they dragged you into this -- you didn't deserve that at all.

I correct what I said, kennel raised without enough human interaction. I personally know quite a few people with kennels who's dogs have perfect temperament.

Please...you cannot explain any of this away..

I don't believe in the Dog whisperer...his methods are very outdated and are wrong IMO.

Well maybe you should get off of here and go do more research. I have dedicated a great deal of my life in helping animals (mainly Yorkies) that have been abused. I had to find ways of dealing with all sorts of issues. I would never hit my dogs with a cane or a stick or anything...Even the first time it happend I didn't do any of that. These were abused animals just like what this woman has...

Not testing dogs before they are bred or testing the pups they produce? That...is scary.

i think this is extremely rude and uncalled for to make arrangement for someone elses dog to be sent to a rescue...she didnt ask you to do that that i can tell...

wow!!! how presumption of you !

Thank you for that post. Many people have left YT because they received the same treatment as you have gotten from a few people on here. Luckily their are many more helpful knowledgeable people on here who are willing to help you learn and figure out solutions. I don't mind sticking my neck out when I see this poor behavior from people. These people would never get a dog from me and their opinions of me matter very little. The praise I get from people who got pups from me and the compliments on my dogs from the vets who see them is more than enough.

doesnt make me a bad breeder..just means i dont test then for genetic defects

And still you refuse to address the real concern here. I pray for the poor ignorant people who get their pups from a person with so little feeling or concern for their own litters.

You're right Cindy - my head is starting to hurt from that wall. I just keep hoping that SOMEONE will have enough decency, enough humanity, enough backbone to do the right thing. Obviously it isn't going to happen by any of the greeders on this thread. Money rules all around here.

Either way, scarey......