Sorry, no it is natural in any of the things you mentioned. Either females in Season, males fighting over females in Season. Women squabbling at hormonal times.

I've taken too many canine behavior, canine genetic and breeding classes and none of these classes taught this was normal behavior.....The classes and my personal experiences tell me otherwise.

If you have dogs that are fighting to the point of drawing blood and killing pups, you definately have genetic aggression issues and these dogs shouldn't be bred.

Turning the dogs over to a rescue was a good thing! How she treated and took care of Camden and the dogs she turned over made her a bad breede IMO!

I don't think you have to worry about that.

Oh, I'm not questioning you! The other poster phrased it as though you'd had a bad breeder simply because the remaining pups were turned over to a reputable rescue. He/she said they would NEVER do something like that. I wanted to know why not? Why do they think turning a pup over to a good reputable rescue is bad?

Yep! All here in black and white

On the contrary. My girls do not fight, nor do my boys. I have had one exception and it was with 2 girls approaching puberty together. Their spats were short lived and no problems since. Never had an issue during heats or pregnancies.

Yorkies can be high strung and often are looking for something to get excited about, but it's the owner's responsibility to exert enough control over and to create a situation so things don't get out of hand. Any serious behavior issues should give any breeder pause. Both their dogs and the situation they've created need to be looked at to determine if it's the dog or them. I think that in this situation, it's both.

Motherhen, there's been a lot of good info here along with the criticism. I think you know that your situation got out of hand. No one can 'tell' anyone else what to do, but to add more dogs to the mix until you have a better handle on breeding and how to manage your dogs would be foolish. I don't doubt that you care about your dogs, but you must also properly care for them as well. When breeding lives literally are at stake with the decisions you make.

Oh I know you weren't!
It was a decent move on the "breeder's" part to turn the adult dogs over to a wonderful rescue and I feel extremely confident they found good forever homes!

like I said before, nothing I could ever say or do would make you think I was a good breeder and your opinion of me really doesn't matter. If people do not want to buy pups from me that is their choice. If they do and they want to come see them first and how they are raised I welcome it. If I do not like you and do not feel you will provide a good environment for one of my puppies I will never sell you one. Those who do choose to get puppies from me almost 100% of the time always get their next puppies from me. Their friends get their puppies from me and that is one of the greatest compliments I can get.

As far as research, I am sure my research into yorkies and colored yorkies rivals almost anyone on here. My research into genetics is most likely far beyond most people on here. I have been breeding these dogs for 20 years.

Very nicely put. In other words you are the Alpha and your dogs know it.

im not going to spend all night going back n forth

i dont care how many classes anyone takes no one always gets along...thats a ridercouls notion..look at this thread for proof..dogs have times where they are the same way...doesnt make the genetic freaks

you can say what you want about me and other breeders but we know our selves and i know my happy clients and puppies and spoiled rotten dogs and their vets is happy with them..i will not people on here tell me that i am a bad breeder because i know im not...

testing or not...show quality or not..i am completely done with this thread anything else can be pm'd to me if you want my comment back...

i am happy with my self, my dogs, my puppies, my clients, etc....and proud too

Well....they at least let me pretend I am :D. No, really they're all sweeties and don't give me much trouble. They are Yorkies, though......:rolleyes:

Yeah! Mine think I'm their litter mate. A couple even push me out of bed in the middle of the night, so you know where I stand in the pack

I should post a picture of myself, so you can see a breeder who gives away puppies and adults....and a picture of Isabel Dare, Merrimac Yorkies, she GAVE me a champion bitch to help my breeding program, asking nothing in return..shoot, I can list a dozen breeders who give away puppies/adults...
Kate in my avatar is granddaughter of my free bitch from Isabel...

Hahaha....don't you hate that? If I have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, my spot gets taken over and I come back to a little tail wagging and a cheesy grin. Like I warmed up that spot just for them to lie in...

Like I said, they let me pretend.

Pat,

My breeder/mentor gave me my first yorkie male as a Christmas gift...My Charmer, the one in my Avitar. She's given me a couple of dogs as gifts.

Aww, and here I thought only mine did that. :p

I prefer to think of it as them keeping my spot warm while I'm gone for a couple of minutes, but we all know better.

I love it when they give me that go to hell look when I push them over so I can get back into bed.

I have given away many, many dogs, does not qualify me as a good breeder..lol
Hmmm, 11 dogs and puppies given away in the last year. $3900 used to buy dogs that I gave away for free.

Well it was is ME that lives in IL and would take her in a heartbeat. So why is that presumptuous? The OPer said she is being offer to be rehomed so there you go. No need to look any further. Tell me when and where and I will be there. :thumbup:

I completely missed that post!!

Wow!!! Tammy, I did not make arrangements to send someone else's dog to a rescue - I don't have that power. :rolleyes: However, the op has said repeatedly that she's trying to find a new home for this poor girl, that she's put her up for adoption, etc. If that's not leaving the door open to rehoming suggestions, I don't know what is. I offered the services of a very reputable rescue to take her in, spay her and make sure she finds a wonderful loving home. I asked her to pm me so that we could make arrangement - I NEVER said that arrangements has already been made. It's rather presumptuous of you to assume that I had done so. I'd like to point out that the op has not acknowledged any of the offers made to her on this thread to help place this baby. We'll see how serious she really is about finding a new home for her. If money is not a motivating factor for her, as she claims, turning her over to a good rescue would be the best thing she could do for this girl.

I see you been posting that you "rescued" Camden a lot lately.
at the time You really didnt rescue her, I told you about her and that the breeder was selling her cheap and I know you would give her a wonderful home and you did. and I was so happy you got her. But at the time it wasn't rescue for you too thought that the breeder was very nice and met with her at her home. bought Camden with out any contract. so really you too was just buying a cheaper Yorkie. and some times not always but some time with a cheaper yorkie comes vet bills. It was later that we talked and decided she was not a very good breeder. oh she had wonderful lines the best, good healthy dogs. but yes they needed groomed.and I know the eye infection you talk about is/ was caused because she her self while brushing her scratched her eye. Im not defending this breeder or bashing her. while she feed her dogs the best foods / vitamins / bottled water. she still didnt keep them in like most of us here on YT do. and to me yes they needed a better life, but Camden wasn't going to a rescue she was selling her. Im the one who talked her into letting those older male/females go to rescue when she said she was done breeding because I was concerned where they would end up as you were too. so I know you now feel that you rescued her and Im so happy you do have her. but there's many here thats doing the same thing buying cheaper Yorkies and thinking they are getting a great deal while like I said before that some times also means vet bills. but you were lucky the eye infection, worms, matted hair is all easy to treat. there are many out there buy really sick Yorkies.

possibly but if it was my dog i would want to personally meet with the new owners and see where my dog was going. I would only go to the rescue if I was unable to find a suitable new home or for some reason I became unable to take care of the pup before I could find a home. I love the fact there are rescues saving these wonderful pups but I would want to know who had my baby.

This is ridiculious
 

I have been watching this thread and I am completely appalled by the conduct of some individuals on this site. I wanted to keep quiet as I have learned it is better to not get involved but I had to draw the line somewhere.

It is not OK to degrade another individual. Barb is disabled and a poster tells here to "Get off the couch and get a job." I have no problem with voicing your opinion on the subject at hand but it is over the line when posters make derogatory comments towards another person.

I came here to learn and seek advise about my furbaby. I learned it is best not to post as you may be attacked or mocked at any moment. This is part of the forum that I don't like. I hate drama and negativity and have considered leaving.

I know that the wrap of YT'ers are going to come down on me for my next statement.

I am Arabella's Mommee and Arabella is Calypso daughter. I have sat here and read how my baby is going to be aggressive and out of control. It has brought me to tears. My little girl is very loving and passive. I didn't know her mothers background and do wish I had been told. It wouldn't have changed my mind about getting my little girl. Barb came here for help and is currently dealing with the situation. I understand and respect everyone's opinion on whether she should have been breed or not. Barb fully admitted that they were new to breeding and weren't as educated on the process. She is now trying to the right thing and everyone here is condemning her. I was hoping to see another breeder help guide her into the proper practices but I guess I live a dream world.

I am sure that I will be belittled for this post but I felt I needed to say my piece. I am also hoping this thread is closed soon, as it has taken a nasty turn.

I still don't know if I will stay on the site.

Thank you, Well Said:thumbup:

I haven't read this whole thread, but seems its got a little crazy. and I didnt see that the OP wanted to re home her Female. while I think rescues are great I have told a lot of people about rescues , But didnt this little girl already come from a rescue? or is it just that she said she rescued her else where? any ways if she came from a rescue I dont think Id send her back yet again. what this girl needs is for someone to be there with her 24/7 work with her. and if the OP wants to re home her, give me your price Id be happy to give her a forever loving home.

I agree
it is ridiculious and it happens all the time. its not helping the OP so I dont know why its allowed.

Start with her post #172 where she said this "The Xpen is being used, and I also put Calypso up for adoption before I even put anything on this group about her!!!! "

Was this breeder's name Maxine by any chance?

Yes they do, the ignorant who attack and belittle people they do not know stick together and the people who are truly trying to help these new breeders and other new puppy owners who come here to learn are sticking together too.

I think you've touched on one of the things that is so upsetting to many here. It is the risk of bad temperaments showing up in the pups. And Calypso has showed very aggressive behavior, to say the least. Though Arabella may be a sweetie, it doesn't mean that's true in all Calypso's pups. It may well be that Arabela got her temperament from her sire. I hope you enjoy many wonderful years with her.