So what are you trying to say? Do you believe these mistreated dogs should be put down? Spaying will not solve the problem with an aggressive female. The shelters are full of these abused dogs and I would hope people would adopt them and give them love.

Yes, this is a concern but she is already working taking care of the problem.

All breeding practices are going to be attacked on here because the consensus is no one should breed dogs.

You are so off base it is not even funny...some of the top breeders are on here and they are not happy either about this whole situation. It would appear profits are motivating a lot of people today and who really cares about the dogs.

Respectfully, I would like to say I am a member since 2007 and have never ever said a thing about a breeder cause I really don't know to much about it so I shut up, but how on earth can you give this woman pups knowing all of what you know ?
I just don't understand, can you explain it to me?
Thank You

That is SO untrue. Why is it that when people question breeding practices that are clearly not in the best interest of the pups, some breeders jump up and down and say that everyone is against breeding??
Nevermind, I know the answer to that question. :rolleyes:

I don't think that's what she was saying at all. I don't think anyone here thinks these dogs should be put down at all. But given the problem she is having, it doesn't seem like adding two new pups is a good idea at this time. Quite honestly, I don't know of any respectable breeder who would knowingly place their dogs in that kind of environment...unless they are more worried about making a sale than the well being of the dogs they are producing.

I don't think anyone here is against breeding...just breeding when the best interest of the dogs and breed in general takes a backseat to other aspects. :)

Cindy, I don't get around so good on this laptop. Will you please pm me?

WHAT?!?! Where in the he!! did you ever get that I was supporting putting mistreated dogs down? I work with a rescue group that bends over backwards to SAVE pups like this one.

My point was not about an aggressive female, although considering her history I can certainly understand and sympathize with the poor girl. Aggression is often the manifestation of fear. This girl was brought in at the age of ONE, already knowing a life of abuse and neglect, and what did the op do? Bred her right off. With the life this little one had, she should never have been bred at all but she never even got a chance to settle in, to get comfortable, to be reassured that she was safe and loved!!! As you said, someone (namely the OP) should have adopted her and given her LOVE, not a life producing stock to pay someone's bills!!

IMO, the OP is the problem! She bred this abused girl while she was still malnourished, and while knowing absolutely nothing of her medical history. How in the world is that the action of a responsible breeder? I wouldn't even allow her to walk my dogs, and you're defending her and sending her two of your precious, innocent puppies?!?!?!

Is it just me? Am I the only one about to lose it here?

She is in the process of removing the dog. The environment will be free from aggressive dogs before any puppies go there.

How many of you have actually spoken to her? I am positive her dogs are loved and given a wonderful life.

I am sure all of you love your yorkies on here regardless of wether you are a breeder or not. If your baby started fighting with one of your other babies would you want to have to lose this dog you love, I am sure you would be heart broken if you had to get rid of one of your babies as motherhen is.

She came on here because she had a problem asking for help. Maybe someone on here could have offered a loving home for this girl.

No, it's not just you. I am just floored right now and just done with this thread :(

It's not just you, Bonny. I can tell you that if a breeder read that woman's posts and wants to send her a puppy, they care more for something OTHER than the welfare of the pups.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink it. And, you cannot make everyone love animals the way that many of us do. It is sadly about money to many of them and no amount of talking is going to change them.

I must have missed the part about her not feeding her dogs and breeding them, where is that at?

You are not the only one...abuse is abuse and apparently other people think it is ok. Frankly I hope she does pet out this poor girl..Her quality of life has not been good and when someone says they hit a dog with their cane...and people think this is ok is beyond me.

Just more people pumping out dogs without a concern about the dogs...

I am sick of people saying "they love their dogs" and then doing some of these things...They don't love their dogs but love the $$$ that will come in. Someone who loves dogs would never do what has happened here today.

woo hoo looks like I made lots of new friends today. What I am getting at is this is supposed to be a forum to help people and talk about your passion for yorkies not an outlet for people to publicly attack other people. PM her and tell her she is wrong in what she is doing if you feel the need. There are far to many people on here attacking rather than helping.

Yes, I am sure my opinions are unpopular but I have talked to far to many people who were attacked by people on here for things that are not neerly as controversial as what this thread is about.

To Golden Parti and mother hen:

PLEASE see that this poor thing goes to a rescue where she can be treated the way she should have been all along. She will be spayed and no longer used to pay someone's bills.

If you love her so much, motherhen, show us! PM me and I will arrange for her to go to a rescue.

How do you define "speaking to her?" She offered a ton of information here about the problems she was having, how she treated her dogs, and her motivations for breeding. That was pretty much enough...

And no bonny, you are NOT the only one baffled.

No one attacked anyone...just their practices. The bottom line is that the pup needs a good home. You can help to facilitate that by talking to your colleague and convincing her to turn her over to a rescue.

Time to show everyone how much you really love the breed. :) This pupster needs time and loving....and does not need to be sold.

Look to the earlier posts . None said anthing about not feeding her abused pup She got her malnourished bitch at approximately one year old and she got pregnant soon after she got her. Totally unresponsible on this owners part.

The consensus is that if one is to breed, it be done correctly. With the health and welfare of the dam and pups.....Simple as that.

No, spaying will not solve the aggression in this female, training may. But, why perpetuate it by breeding the bitch and passing on the trait to her offspring. Why was this bitch being bred anyway, abused, barely a year, back to back breedings.....

I've said to you repeatedly that she bred this abused girl as soon as she got her, when she was still malnourished, scared and obviously in need. See post #25 and post #38 You read these words and you tell me how this dog should have ever been bred? She deserved a home with love and protection and look what she got. The fact that you are knowingly sending your pups to someone who has so little regard for animals is beyond my comprehension. This has gone beyond 2 females fighting. If you can't see that, if you don't care what happens to those puppies you've known since birth, then I feel so very sorry for you.

Advice was offerred, but not any that she wanted to take. Spaying was not an option for her as she uses her dogs to supplement her income.

To Motherhen:

One of the members of YHR lives near you. She has offered to take this girl in and make sure she gets the loving, attentive home she deserves. I promise you she will get nothing but the best of care. Please PM me and we can make arrangements to pick her up tomorrow.

I hope Golden Parti asks her where she got this girl? What kind of living conditions was she in for her to be the way she is....Cheap dog sold at an auction or from another person just making $$$ off of her/his dogs. When will the cycle be broken of this type of breeding and people thinking it is okay.

This *is* a forum to help people, and I've seen a whole lot of advice and ideas offered to the OP. There is even a rescue who has offered to help her immediately.

This is also a forum that promotes the well being of yorkies (and many other animals, often) and people will speak up for a dog's best interest here, thankfully.

I don't see attacks in this thread. I see a lot of passion yes, and a whole lot of concern.

With "breeders" like those we're seeing here, it never will be broken.

These are living beings people!! Treat them with the care and respect they deserve.

Just wanted to emphasize this offer! Calypso will have a home that will be forever and one where she will be loved. If you love her, please do right by her. She was never meant for breeding. Surely you must know that....

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Okay enough the original poster got enough advice for her two fighting females. An offer from a rescue.

We have posted our concerns on this "breeder's" practice and tried to guide the OP into a rational, objective, and hopefully more knowledgeable way, to bred our breed to improve the bred, to do the requisite health tests, and rearing of the pups, that at the minimum secures their safety.

The OP hasn't been back on for awhile in terms of posts. Hopefully she is digesting all that she has heard. She has been directed to the breeding section for detailed info on breeding.

We have done what we could

i my self would never purchase nor sell to a store..so you are judging me and dont know me

im not protecting my reputation you can think what you like my puppies owners will vouch for my reputation

sure there are good and bad breeders...but you are grouping in to one and the same

I really hope she can prove she loves her by giving her to Yorkie Haven Rescue but I am so afraid for the dogs taking her place...Just sad.

And this is all you took from what everyone's had to say? It doesn't concern you how she has treated a previously abused dog, how she's admitted to using a cane on her dogs, none of it concerns you? :eek: