Originally Posted by BellaDonna (Post 3077202)

I agree that Calypso should be spayed and not let near another pregnant female or new puppies. I also agree that people should not breed willy nilly to satisfy their need to see pups born or in bulk to line their pockets.

But, I am also a realist and my Bella is from a pet breeder (a person that bred their 2 pets). I was thrilled to have found her. I had a choice between her and a couple of dogs from what people call breeders and I liked her more. Not to mention she was in my price range. Unless I win the lottery I will never pay $2000.00 for a pet.

You can find great quality pet yorkshire terriers for about $1000, or sometimes less according to your area. The extra $ you pay an ethical breeder includes a health guarantee, a lifetime of them being willing to take back their dog for any reason you cant keep them and most importantly proper health screening for defects and issues that may show up years from the purchase date of your pet.

In my opinion, you can't put a price on a healthy pup from an AMAZING breeder.

It just isn't something I would do. Her surroundings were homey and clean, she was well loved, very balanced and happy. My vet says she is very healthy and I am proud to own her and take care of her for the rest of my life.

This is wonderful to hear, you are a great pet owner and your pup is very lucky to have found you.

I am sure the couple that bred their pets weren't knowledgeable about many things but that doesn't mean they were the dregs of the earth either. While I was there I even talked to them about the perils.

They were more than likely a very nice couple, but not educated in the ways of ethical breeding.

Who knows, one day I may decide to breed to "better the breed" but even those who do that had to start somewhere.

They start by shadowing an ethical breeder and it takes $, and if you are not willing to spend on a quality dog then you will fall into the category we are debating here.

They didn't just roll out of bed one morning and say..."I am going to be a top notch breeder today" Everyone has to learn, even the best breeders on this board.

No they don't roll out of bed one day saying I think I'll breed, they say I wonder how much $ I can make off my dog to pay may taxes and such........

I have seen puppy mills, bad byb and great pet home breeders and Hightone/high $$ breeders. There are exceptions to every scenario.

There are no exceptions to Back Yard Breeders and Puppymillers, they are exploiting animals for their own personal TAX FREE gain!

Like I said before your dog is very lucky she found you, I would suggest having her spayed before her first heat, it will reduce the risk of her having uterine problems in the future and she can continue to live a long happy life with you :)


We all get to have our opinions.

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3077168)

Correction: If everyone was breeding for the betterment of the breed there would still be many members on YT. Probably more happy ones. We would see less drama and horror stories from all of these backwards bred puppies that too many people buy and continue to contribute to the problem of, which later end up as a rescue because of people not willing to pay for well bred Yorkies. Or are willing to take the time to help the sick or problem ones that they have purchased. I'm talking about the people who throw them away, not the people who actually rsecue them and give them a better life.


no the members would go down from the 1000s to maybe the 100s..sure they would be happy they would be the only ones with yorkies...its not that people arent willing to pay..its that people cant or wont pay 1800+ for a yorkie..which is still a dog, a pet, or go through some of the breeder rigorous inspections and questions..people like them privacy and space...


Temperament is extremely important...it's the mental side of the health issue.

never said it wasnt important..my comment was if they are aggressive all the time...always aggressive not just in the heat and pregnant cycle then they shouldnt be bred but again its typical for females to not get along on their cycles...

Originally Posted by BellaDonna (Post 3077202)

I agree that Calypso should be spayed and not let near another pregnant female or new puppies. I also agree that people should not breed willy nilly to satisfy their need to see pups born or in bulk to line their pockets.

But, I am also a realist and my Bella is from a pet breeder (a person that bred their 2 pets). I was thrilled to have found her. I had a choice between her and a couple of dogs from what people call breeders and I liked her more. Not to mention she was in my price range. Unless I win the lottery I will never pay $2000.00 for a pet. It just isn't something I would do. Her surroundings were homey and clean, she was well loved, very balanced and happy. My vet says she is very healthy and I am proud to own her and take care of her for the rest of my life. I am sure the couple that bred their pets weren't knowledgeable about many things but that doesn't mean they were the dregs of the earth either. While I was there I even talked to them about the perils.

Who knows, one day I may decide to breed to "better the breed" but even those who do that had to start somewhere. They didn't just roll out of bed one morning and say..."I am going to be a top notch breeder today" Everyone has to learn, even the best breeders on this board.

I have seen puppy mills, bad byb and great pet home breeders and Hightone/high $$ breeders. There are exceptions to every scenario.

We all get to have our opinions.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3077283)

No it isn't typical for them not to get along when they are in Season......just those that have aggressive tendancies....

I know too many breeder/exhibitors and have been to their homes, their girls run together, whether they are in Season or not.....no problems, no aggessiveness. I've never had a problem either.

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3077255)

i think if you have dirty mangy urine covered pups your a byb

i think if you have clean healthy happy puppies your a hobby breeder..and you can certainly come see for your self..or call my references

i dont think its right to tear about hobby breeders which always get classified with the byb's

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3077158)

you all say now that you rescued from a byb

no you bought from a byb which proves my point..money talks money make the world go around

and you are missing my main point of the byb....you all have your yorkies because of the byb...only maybe 25% on them on here come from "reputable" breeders..another 10-15% actual rescues...the rest come from the every day byb...not only have i supported them but most of you

Originally Posted by BellaDonna (Post 3077330)

Since there are people who breed to better the breed, they should be very happy they are able to "sell" the puppies. Even the ones that aren't show dog material and the ones that don't fit the standard. To big, to little etc.

Actually one of my dogs that people love the most is a tiny chihuahua that was the runt of the litter. She weighs 2 1/2 lbs grown and a "Hobby" breeder gave her to me free. She didn't try to gouge me for $1500.00 for a "teacup". She wanted her to have a good home with someone familiar with the breed and she told me to take her home and take care of her.

I stand by the fact that some really nice dogs can come from a pet breeder and that there are many nice people that have done this. There are also a lot of losers but I have met "reputable breeders" that I don't like or trust either.

I just can't pigeon hole every single person with a wave of my hand even if I am very judgemental.

Originally Posted by motherhen (Post 3074476)

Originally Posted by motherhen (Post 3076586)

We've got 2 male puppies that we are still going to get. Sure glad I won't have to worry about them like that.

Originally Posted by Shasha (Post 3077357)

Ive got exactly the same thing happening with 2 of my girls,when they are pregnant and when i come in or get visitors..it is so frightening i know and they just dont want to let go......i put the dominant female in her crate (and they too have the run of the house) when i get any visitors or if i am going out.... its the only way i found to stop them fighting. Since the docile bitch has been pregnant there was 1 fight, she has had 5 lovely pups and since then no fights. I just put the dominate female in her crate if i see her squaring up for a fight.Locking her away is the only way i can prevent this happening.... other times they get on really well...imsure its there hormones!good luck

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3077359)

So let me get this strait. You have dogs now that are fighting an killing each other that you are having issues controlling, you can't pay your bills without depending on breeding for profit.....yet you are going to bring in two MORE dogs into the mix that you will have to provide for as well. :mad::thumbdown

I REALLY hope you are just trying to push buttons an this is all joke. :(

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3077359)

So let me get this strait. You have dogs now that are fighting an killing each other that you are having issues controlling, you can't pay your bills without depending on breeding for profit.....yet you are going to bring in two MORE dogs into the mix that you will have to provide for as well. :mad::thumbdown

I REALLY hope you are just trying to push buttons an this is all joke. :(

Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3077385)

I know right? But for it to be a joke would be too much like right :rolleyes: Wrong just can't do right!

Originally Posted by BellaDonna (Post 3077330)

Since there are people who breed to better the breed, they should be very happy they are able to "sell" the puppies. Even the ones that aren't show dog material and the ones that don't fit the standard. To big, to little etc.

The responsible breeders that sell these pups, do so with a limited registration and the pups are spayed or neutered before ever leaving the breeder and also come with a health guarantee. If a dog is not fit to breed then a responsibile breeder will make sure that it does not happen. Just take a look at their dogs, they speak for themselves.

Actually one of my dogs that people love the most is a tiny chihuahua that was the runt of the litter. She weighs 2 1/2 lbs grown and a "Hobby" breeder gave her to me free. She didn't try to gouge me for $1500.00 for a "teacup". She wanted her to have a good home with someone familiar with the breed and she told me to take her home and take care of her.

I stand by the fact that some really nice dogs can come from a pet breeder and that there are many nice people that have done this. There are also a lot of losers but I have met "reputable breeders" that I don't like or trust either. The people are NICE, and the losers that you speak of are probably not responsible breeders, they are very few and far between. But, the nice pet breeders are not breeding to standard, and while you and I and many others have our dogs because of it, many, many, many more are suffering horrific medical conditions, genetic defects, and being dumped in shelters and on the side of the road because of it. There has to be a line drawn somewhere so no more innocent animals suffer.

Glad you didn't fall for the Teacup line, there is no such thing.

Your little pup is the favorite because she small and cute, the more tiny they are the more they can "stay a puppy forever" in most peoples eyes.

I just can't pigeon hole every single person with a wave of my hand even if I am very judgemental.

Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3077395)

As far as the op and her posts - I have tried to keep my mouth shut but I just can't do it anymore. There is NO, I repeat NO, excuse to breed an abused, rehomed frightened girl just so you can pay your property taxes!!! In fact, paying your bills in NO excuse to breed any pup at all. You have no idea what background these pups have, or what kind or problems and heartache you're passing on to innocent people.

If you need the money so badly, get off your couch and get a job! McDonald's is always hiring.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3077428)

You have just become my favorite poster of the day. :p

Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3077436)

There's been many a time when one of mine has needed medical care, food or something that I just didn't have the money for right then. Instead of denying them what they needed, I did without. These pups did not ask to come live with me - I chose them, and when I did so I assumed the responsibility of making sure they got the best care possible.

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3077440)

That's called being a responsible pet owner. That's the way it *should* be--the norm rather than the rare. :(

Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3077436)

There's been many a time when one of mine has needed medical care, food or something that I just didn't have the money for right then. Instead of denying them what they needed, I did without. These pups did not ask to come live with me - I chose them, and when I did so I assumed the responsibility of making sure they got the best care possible. The thought of someone making money to pay their bills off of innocent pups, risking their health, safety and even lives just to make a buck, DISGUSTS me. These babies look to us to protect them. If we don't, who will?

Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3077436)

There's been many a time when one of mine has needed medical care, food or something that I just didn't have the money for right then. Instead of denying them what they needed, I did without. These pups did not ask to come live with me - I chose them, and when I did so I assumed the responsibility of making sure they got the best care possible. The thought of someone making money to pay their bills off of innocent pups, risking their health, safety and even lives just to make a buck, DISGUSTS me. These babies look to us to protect them. If we don't, who will?

Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077540)

Yes, motherhen has already informed me of the situation and is currently trying to find a new home for the problem girl.

Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3077546)

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

You do know that the "problem girl" was an abused, malnourished, frightened one year old when Motherhen got her, and she bred her right away? And bred her again as soon as she could? These are her words - read her other posts in this thread and see for yourself. This doesn't concern you at all? You're actually willing to place your innocent pups in this kind of environment?

And why is she being the one to be rehomed? Hasn't she suffered enough already? Just spay the girls and let them live in peace.

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3077548)

I'm no expert on psychology, be it human or canine. I do know, however, that temperament is an inherited trait and is just as vital as health and conformation when breeding.

I believe that dogs, like people, likely have thoughts that would shame the devil but most of us have an internal mechanism that prevents us from acting on them. In this case, the female seems to have no brakes at all in controlling her behavior. I'm sure she may be a nice dog in many respects, but then the same could be said for a serial killer. When they get caught, there's always someone who is shocked...as in "oh, he was always so nice to me". The point being that bad behavior isn't expressed 24/7 but some things just can't be allowed. Killing pups would fall into that category.

I think the OP's own posts show there's a lack of control in their house and that makes a bad situation worse. The girl (Calypso) may have issues but what has already happened was needless, issues or not.

Whatever someone's motivations are for breeding, responsibilities do come with it.....first among them being the health and safety of the dogs and pups. I would urge the OP to take a long hard look at what they are doing and why. Yours is a tragic example of thinking that breeding is easy and that things will take care of themselves. You have dead puppies to prove otherwise.