I would say I'm more confrontational.

I think what this woman needs is Guidance, after all, isn't that why she posted here in the first place?

I am PASSIONATE about all living creatures, and if I see one suffering or dying like in this case I will speak up for what is right, also I put my $ and effort where my mouth is, I am active in rescue and intend to see puppymills and backyard breeders such as this extinct in my lifetime. Call it aggressive if you will, I call it ambition.

I don't think Hardygirl is being aggressive at all. Actually, I've ready quite a few of your posts both on this thread and the other thread and you are the one that seems to be aggressive with your answers. Hardygirl is correct, an abused rescue would not be used by anyone knowledgable for breeding. The female should have been spayed and either kept as a pet or placed in a home where it would be kept as a pet. Clearly, it wasn't the female's best interest here. Elaine

i highly doubt it will happen because money speaks louded then words...i think puppy mills are sad and cruel but i dont think the bybs should be extinct..like i posted earlier...if that happens then there will be hardly no yorkies and no yorkies owners. i really dont have a problem with them unless they are being cruel..im glad there are byb and hobby breeders if not i wouldnt have my dogs and neither would 1000s of other yorkie owners

also wanted to add

if the ops dogs were always agressive then i would say its genetic dont breed but since it only happens when they are in heat/pregnant its natural

she needs to separate them

I'm amazed that you support BYBers



Probably the best definition I have found so far to answer "What is a back yard breeder (BYB)?" comes from Boxerworld.com:

"The average pet owner that breeds their dog(s)."

So, why are back yard breeders a problem? Well, they just breed dogs for the sake of it. They may have a sweet pet they want to try and reproduce or they think that their dogs are quality because they have papers and/or are registered with some registry. They think maybe they can make a few dollars selling pups, etc. They just put out dogs without real consideration for the future of not only the breed but the puppies produced.

Often, BYBs breed dogs with faults. This perpetuates fault and problems in the breed. They do nothing to prove their dogs are of sound temperament and that they are breeding good representatives of the breed, etc. They just breed. And often, they do not even breed purebreds. Some BYBs "create" neat sounding things and think they are breeds - like Dalimers. This was seen listed in the Washington Post as a rare, German breed. Well, they are mutts - crosses of Dalmatians and Weimeraners, nothing more than a back yarder trying to make a buck

Gosh, that saddens me that you support BYBs, it really does.
We rescued Camden from one and I'm hoping for the day they are extinct! :(

I really have no words for this situation...

I am once again speechless that there is a rescued/abused female that is being breed to produce puppies that will pay for taxes :mad: ...yet another incredible, greedy and shameless breeding story...

Correction: If everyone was breeding for the betterment of the breed there would still be many members on YT. Probably more happy ones. We would see less drama and horror stories from all of these backwards bred puppies that too many people buy and continue to contribute to the problem of, which later end up as a rescue because of people not willing to pay for well bred Yorkies. Or are willing to take the time to help the sick or problem ones that they have purchased. I'm talking about the people who throw them away, not the people who actually rsecue them and give them a better life.

Temperament is extremely important...it's the mental side of the health issue.

you all say now that you rescued from a byb

no you bought from a byb which proves my point..money talks money make the world go around

and you are missing my main point of the byb....you all have your yorkies because of the byb...only maybe 25% on them on here come from "reputable" breeders..another 10-15% actual rescues...the rest come from the every day byb...not only have i supported them but most of you

Reese, I agree with you. I have five rescues. This whole thread is upsetting. A young abused dog who came to the OP as skin and bones and fearful and the first thing they do is breed her. Abused, too young, and skin and bones, not only breed her, but breed her back to back. And, she's given good advice and ignores it so why ask then. Elaine

Yes money does speak louder than words when that is YOUR main priority, there are too many public assistance programs in place for me to ever feel that it is ok for animals to suffer so someone can pay their bills on time.

I hope you spend more time on here learning about the dangers of supporting Back yard breeders which are just a step below, puppymills.

And I'm talking about the people who purchase these and then get rid of them, NOT the wonderful people who save these puppies and give them a chance.

What's is worse is the ones who buy poorly bred Yorkies and then breed them...that I will never understand.

Correction: If everyone was breeding for the betterment of the breed there would still be many members on YT. Probably more happy ones. We would see less drama and horror stories from all of these backwards bred puppies that too many people buy and continue to contribute to the problem of, which later end up as a rescue because of people not willing to pay for well bred Yorkies. Or are willing to take the time to help the sick or problem ones that they have purchased. I'm talking about the people who throw them away, not the people who actually rsecue them and give them a better life.


no the members would go down from the 1000s to maybe the 100s..sure they would be happy they would be the only ones with yorkies...its not that people arent willing to pay..its that people cant or wont pay 1800+ for a yorkie..which is still a dog, a pet, or go through some of the breeder rigorous inspections and questions..people like them privacy and space...


Temperament is extremely important...it's the mental side of the health issue.

never said it wasnt important..my comment was if they are aggressive all the time...always aggressive not just in the heat and pregnant cycle then they shouldnt be bred but again its typical for females to not get along on their cycles...

i dont understand your argument in this first paragraph

i have both ckc and akc yorkies and had the same experience with each breeder..actually the ckc breeder was more human in my opinion she chatted with me and was more interested in puppies then the akc breeder..but i liked both of them alright i guess

i would say there are a lot of breeders that breed to breed and sell yorkies to people who cant/wont spend the 1000s on a show quality PET...good lord my husbands jar hits the floor when he sees the price tags on yorkies...and im again assuming alot of wifes have that problem with husband and sticker shock so thats another area where byb are in demand

what you call a byb i have two verisons a byb and a hobby breeder..i will by from hobby breeders..i wont buy dirty mangy pups that are housed outside and stain in their own urine..but i will buy pups that are housed inside and loved and well cared for have their paperwork n medical records and a breeder that stays ins touch

This is exactly why I got so "aggressive". This poor little soul has not only endured this, but now will more than likely be crated or always be in danger of getting in a fight.

I am not trying to be ugly to the OP, just harsh. I think you need to see that the problem has some simple corrections, spaying being one and re-homing or surrendering to a rescue another. I highly suggest if you are still struggling financially to surrender your dog lovingly to rescue where she will get spayed, and placed in a FOREVER loving home that has been pre screened and will be a perfect fit.

Am I to understand that you are adding 2 additional male puppies into your household? Are you sure you are going to have the economic and emotional wherewithal to care for what would it be? 2 new - 2 current breeding females and one stud?
Perhaps I've misunderstood, I certainly hope so. I am concerned about your post on a number of fronts. It seems like your "abused" female was potentially breed at or around a year old. That is too young :mad:
I personally have a problem with "using" dogs to supplement income, surely there could be another alternative, even if you are disabled. Most of the very good hobby breeders do not "earn" money from the breeding of dogs, as they perform all the necessary health checks, and tests, and offer health guarantees to their prospective buyers.

I as a potential breeder have spent seven years researching, training, testing, assisting in whelping, attended genetics seminars, read and researched as much as I can on my breed. I knew enough when my female went into heat to keep her separated from our males, the least of which is I didn't want an unplanned pregnancy. And of course she was way too young to be bred at one year old.

There is no guarantee that two full males will get along over time. Some do, some do not. Unless you have the space and dedication to keep very separate two full males that decide they don't like each other, then you should not add more males to your household.

I know that you have come on here to ask for "help" in a problem of keeping two bitches who fight when they are pregnant or in heat. But it certainly seems to me that you have not researched breeding lines, breeding health issues, done the required CERF and OFA tests, and have no mentor for Yorkie breeding. I cannot support a "breeder" who doesn't breed for the betterment of the breed and not their pocketbook!

Please stop breeding and find some other means to support your realty taxes!

Oh please, hobby breeders don't make money from breeding. It's their HOBBY, not a business. Glad you don't buy dirty mangy pups, but some of us have higher standards. People who have hobbies love reading and learning everything they can on their "hobby".

I agree that Calypso should be spayed and not let near another pregnant female or new puppies. I also agree that people should not breed willy nilly to satisfy their need to see pups born or in bulk to line their pockets.

But, I am also a realist and my Bella is from a pet breeder (a person that bred their 2 pets). I was thrilled to have found her. I had a choice between her and a couple of dogs from what people call breeders and I liked her more. Not to mention she was in my price range. Unless I win the lottery I will never pay $2000.00 for a pet. It just isn't something I would do. Her surroundings were homey and clean, she was well loved, very balanced and happy. My vet says she is very healthy and I am proud to own her and take care of her for the rest of my life. I am sure the couple that bred their pets weren't knowledgeable about many things but that doesn't mean they were the dregs of the earth either. While I was there I even talked to them about the perils.

Who knows, one day I may decide to breed to "better the breed" but even those who do that had to start somewhere. They didn't just roll out of bed one morning and say..."I am going to be a top notch breeder today" Everyone has to learn, even the best breeders on this board.

I have seen puppy mills, bad byb and great pet home breeders and Hightone/high $$ breeders. There are exceptions to every scenario.

We all get to have our opinions.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Well said!!!

im glad you were able to twist that

but no yorkies are one of my favorite hobbies and i breed them..i have raised several litter..kept in touch with them and they are happy n healthy..i am an active breeder...i care for them they are raised in the house with the parents, my family, i feed them good food, i do the vet care anything they need, i do the paper work, i do the gift packs, i do the pics every week, i start the potty training i answer all the questions, im always available...i have akc and ckc...i give what i want from a breeder...and i dont settle..sometimes i do make some profit off of them...but i dont do testings and such..so i am a byb or a hobby breeder..but all my pups..which i have had todate 6 litters total are in the same home i sold to...and thriving..all healthy....and it makes me happy to make someone else happy with their yorkies..i have made some great friends through it to..

i also love learning and reading on the breed

Glad to see you are going to be continuing your education about Yorkshire Terriers.

I hope to see you on my side of the argument someday, we could use your help.

I don't see how I "twisted" anything, I didn't know that you were a breeder, but that explains a lot. I think a lot of BYB's call themselves hobby breeders, but this is a term I hold dearly. By the way, does anyone really ever call themselves a backyard breeder? I've never heard of one breeder referring to themselves as one, but we know they are out there.

I hope that the 2 yorkies that are the reason behind this thread are going to be kept separated until a realistic solution is reached.

Until then Motherhen, look around at the threads in the breeder section, there will a wealth of information there for you. I hope your financial situation improves, but not at the cost of your devoted pets.

i dont think its right and im not buying them..thats my way of fighting them its supply and demand if they dont have the demand they wont sell them

i do see the problem with them that why i stated i wouldnt buy one dirty mangy urine covered pup

i think if you have dirty mangy urine covered pups your a byb

i think if you have clean healthy happy puppies your a hobby breeder..and you can certainly come see for your self..or call my references

i dont think its right to tear about hobby breeders which always get classified with the byb's

Oh please....I just saw this thread. Twice I have seen the OP compare human beings to dogs. I do not understand this kind of thinking.
What does your husband cheating on you have to do with dogs who are fighting? Seriously. And. how in the world can you justify breeding an abused dog by saying that YOU were abused? Oh please........
I need to go find a bucket. All of this stuff is just too much for my head. As if the world needs more poorly bred yorkies. :(

Have you never been to a pet store and seen clean puppies? They are all clean, but I can PROMISE you they don't come from a clean environment.

I think you are so worried about protecting your own reputation as you see it, that you don't want to admit the truth that everyone knows about the bad breeders out there.

So you have two criteria to differentiate between a hobby breeder and a back yard breeder. Please read this list of the differences between hobby breeders and backyard breeders, and see for yourself which side of the list you fall on. It's much more than one or two things. A COMPARISON OF: Responsible Hobby Breeders and Backyard Breeders/Irresponsible Breeders