I want a Biewer/parti yorkie

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

It takes two and if a spouse isn't in full support it doesn't make for a happy homelife.

Are you talking about "you" personally or in general?

[evab]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Please don't give up on us, when I first came here, people accused me of being someone else, and some thought I was a breeder, and some thought I was a troll; some still think I'm a troll! I suggest you introduce yourself in the General forum, http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...r-discussion/; most members are very friendly, the Parti/breeding threads get very controversial, and most members don't post on these threads for that reason.

Thank you nancy, I will intriduce myself as you suggest. I would now, like to take this opportunity to explain in more detail. A news letter posting with a pic of Streamglen Richard was added to an article I wrote on my site which is not parti coloured yorkshire terrier based, it has now been removed and appologies made via email to Lowoodfarm personally. I can do no more then to express sincere appologies for any offence caused.

I am UK based and have found we have NO white/black dogs from the Streamglen kennels in our breeding lines. I also found a statement by a club which stated the Nikko's Ashley Rolls Royce won Best in Show at Crufts...I have written confiration that UK Kennel club have no recording ever of the Nikko's line registered within their records for anything.

I stated this on the forum mentioned by Deb, and obviously I hit a raw nerve. In hind sight I should of sent her a private message instead of putting on a forum for all to read.

I will never believe that a Black & White coloured dog EVER came from the Streamglen Kennels. We have breeders in the UK with the same breeding kennel lines and we have never had a Black & White Yorkshire Terrier.

Sorry if this offends, but as I live in the UK I can only say what I see everyday walking our streets. We have no (Parti) for sale anywhere on our 'Puppy for Sale' sites, with the exception of one lady adv claiming to sell with IBC reg Biewers. This has been removed, the breeders have acknowledged it was their own creation, mixing Yorkshire to Maltese/Shih-Tzu and more....thus again causing controversy, now in the UK.

[mistique57]

[QUOTE=Breezeaway;3019642]If you want to know who evab is all you have to do is go to the biewer pedigree database That is all I have to say.[/Q


Hello Everyone,
i am also a new member on here,it is my belief that at the time Mr Biewer bred the 2 said puppies with white in them that he was also breeding the shih tzu,A normal yorkshire terrier does NOT carry the piebald gene,But they get this gene if a shih tzu or maltese terrier is in the mix which is what i believe was done,The uk kennel club have confirmed in the early year's that maltese did indeed go into the yorkshire terrier,They have also confirmed that none of our uk yorkshire terrier's from streamglen have ever had a yorkie born with white in it,As i would of thought as they came from england then we would of had this puppy with this marking white in it so just where did the white in them come from in the later year's,This is where i believe the shih tzu and or maltese terrier was mixed into the yorkshire terrier,I have studdied many many picture's of the biewer/partie/splitter and they scream shih tzu it is very clear to the eye to see this fact.
The money being asked for this breed is extortinate as they are just a man made breed that have been created using other breed's so they are a cross bred dog in my mind.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Breny

Are you talking about "you" personally or in general?

Breny,

I'm sure even though your husband isn't immeresed in your program, he helps in other ways. He does approve of what your doing. Why else would he offer his handy work to complete those wonderful puppy rooms for you and your pups.

So, even though some spouses may not be thoroughly involved they offer support in one way or another.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

I have read many posts about the Biewer and the Parti. My question to you all is... Do you think the Yorkshire Terrier is the only breed that has had a mutating color gene?
13 years ago I met a wonderful breeder that I purchased my first German Shepherd from. Approximately 10 years ago, she breed her tradional male with a black female and produce the first tri-color German Shepherd now known as the Panda Shepherd. When this happened my friend was judged ridiculed and treated very badly for her breeding practices. She held her ground and began working with a genetist and was able to prove her dogs were pure and the gene was isolated and was found to have came from her tradional male. She has been a guardian of her colorful Shepherds and has every litter DNA to see which pup carries the gene and is very selective as to the placement. I have since purchased another boy from her, his mother is a Panda Shepherd and his father is a tradional. My boy is a tradional and does not carry the Panda gene.
I am not as of yet, an expert when it comes to the Biewer Terrier however, I know that through DNA studies Mr. Biewer was enhancing his "color lines" with other breeds. I can only speculate why because he is not here to tell us but I believe he was trying to produce color and specific looks using the Yorkies as the foundation.
I believe as far as the Parti Yorkie as with the Panda Shepherd, the dog will either carry the gene or it won't. To the OP... the only way you will know is to contact a genesist. If you breed a parti into your lines you may or may not have a baby who will carry the gene.

I believe that with the AKC recognized breeds I counted over 15 who have the piebald gene.

Wow, never, ever has it been printed that Mr. Biewer was enhancing his "color lines" with other breeds. Even the BTCA who is the one trying to convience everyone that there is a new breed in the Biewers, have ever said it was Mr. Biewer. IN fact that is one of the mysteries, what is the other breed and who did the introduction in all of the Biewers in Germany or was it done once these dogs hit the US. I don't doubt there were some breeders in Germany that made designer dogs but that was not the norm.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I believe that with the AKC recognized breeds I counted over 15 who have the piebald gene.

Wow, never, ever has it been printed that Mr. Biewer was enhancing his "color lines" with other breeds. Even the BTCA who is the one trying to convience everyone that there is a new breed in the Biewers, have ever said it was Mr. Biewer. IN fact that is one of the mysteries, what is the other breed and who did the introduction in all of the Biewers in Germany or was it done once these dogs hit the US. I don't doubt there were some breeders in Germany that made designer dogs but that was not the norm.

I have to say i bred the gsd for 30 year's the blsck/tan also sable the pure black and the white and i used a black/tan with a black and never once did i get a panda dog also i bred white with black/tan and again never had a panda dog i did however have black/tan and sable in the litter's,Which is what you would get with that mating.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

I believe that with the AKC recognized breeds I counted over 15 who have the piebald gene.

Wow, never, ever has it been printed that Mr. Biewer was enhancing his "color lines" with other breeds. Even the BTCA who is the one trying to convience everyone that there is a new breed in the Biewers, have ever said it was Mr. Biewer. IN fact that is one of the mysteries, what is the other breed and who did the introduction in all of the Biewers in Germany or was it done once these dogs hit the US. I don't doubt there were some breeders in Germany that made designer dogs but that was not the norm.

Top Parti Yorkies Genetics Parti Yorkie Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier and Biewer Yorkies

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by evab

I will never believe that a Black & White coloured dog EVER came from the Streamglen Kennels. We have breeders in the UK with the same breeding kennel lines and we have never had a Black & White Yorkshire Terrier.

Sorry if this offends, but as I live in the UK I can only say what I see everyday walking our streets. We have no (Parti) for sale anywhere on our 'Puppy for Sale' sites, with the exception of one lady adv claiming to sell with IBC reg Biewers. This has been removed, the breeders have acknowledged it was their own creation, mixing Yorkshire to Maltese/Shih-Tzu and more....thus again causing controversy, now in the UK.

Well then I am guessing many of your breeders destroyed these puppies as many here in the states did. If you read any of the old books at the turn of the century, breeders were trying to create a white Yorkie. They were throwing in a number of different breeds.

Yes sadly there have been breeders making designer dogs with the Biewer. In fact there is a club in the states stating their dogs were from this type of breeding.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Well then I am guessing many of your breeders destroyed these puppies as many here in the states did. If you read any of the old books at the turn of the century, breeders were trying to create a white Yorkie. They were throwing in a number of different breeds.

Yes sadly there have been breeders making designer dogs with the Biewer. In fact there is a club in the states stating their dogs were from this type of breeding.

I also find it strange that a 2 little tri coloured pup's brother and sister have made up all the tri/biewer/partie/splitter's around the world today,So alot of inbreeding must of been done which would lead to abnormalites in pup's being born so it is my belief that other breed's did and had to go into the creation of these dog's,As also said the yorkie does NOT carry the piebald gene.
Top Parti Yorkies Genetics Parti Yorkie Parti Color Yorkshire Terrier and Biewer Yorkies

[livingdustmops]

[quote=mistique57;3020199]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

If you want to know who evab is all you have to do is go to the biewer pedigree database That is all I have to say.[/Q


Hello Everyone,
i am also a new member on here,it is my belief that at the time Mr Biewer bred the 2 said puppies with white in them that he was also breeding the shih tzu,A normal yorkshire terrier does NOT carry the piebald gene,But they get this gene if a shih tzu or maltese terrier is in the mix which is what i believe was done,The uk kennel club have confirmed in the early year's that maltese did indeed go into the yorkshire terrier,They have also confirmed that none of our uk yorkshire terrier's from streamglen have ever had a yorkie born with white in it,As i would of thought as they came from england then we would of had this puppy with this marking white in it so just where did the white in them come from in the later year's,This is where i believe the shih tzu and or maltese terrier was mixed into the yorkshire terrier,I have studdied many many picture's of the biewer/partie/splitter and they scream shih tzu it is very clear to the eye to see this fact.
The money being asked for this breed is extortinate as they are just a man made breed that have been created using other breed's so they are a cross bred dog in my mind.

Please show the documentation the UK Kennel club provided you stating the maltese did indeed go into the Yorkshire Terrier. There have been many top breeders in the Yorkie world that have never been able to document this statement.

Actually I have seen in person a Biewer/Shih Tzu dog and clearly you could tell it was a mix. The nose was the giveaway...and does not look like any of the Biewers Mr. Biewer bred...nor does it look like the majority of the dogs that are in the database.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Well then I am guessing many of your breeders destroyed these puppies as many here in the states did. If you read any of the old books at the turn of the century, breeders were trying to create a white Yorkie. They were throwing in a number of different breeds.

Could you please provide me with the sources you have, that indicate that "breeders were trying to create a white yorkie" and that "they were throwing in a number of different breeds" (I'm guessing in order to achieve the white yorkie)?"

My research shows that there were breeders who were trying to promote the white yorkshire in the early 1900's. Other references do indicate, over and over, that the maltese was more than likely used to improve the coats of the broken haired scotch terrier (who later became known as the yorkshire terrier)... I've found no proof or writings that say "other breeds" were used in making white yorkies, after they (the yorkshire terrier) actually became a breed.

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Pinehaven

Could you please provide me with the sources you have, that indicate that "breeders were trying to create a white yorkie" and that "they were throwing in a number of different breeds" (I'm guessing in order to achieve the white yorkie)?"

My research shows that there were breeders who were trying to promote the white yorkshire in the early 1900's. Other references do indicate, over and over, that the maltese was more than likely used to improve the coats of the broken haired scotch terrier (who later became known as the yorkshire terrier)... I've found no proof or writings that say "other breeds" were used in making white yorkies, after they (the yorkshire terrier) actually became a breed.

Hiya here is the direct link to the uk kennel club hope this help's.

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/breeds/display.aspx?id=6165

[shodanusmc]

When you read this thread, you want to have a bag of Hot Popcorn, and a soft drink within reach. I never heard of these Parti's or Blewers, but did a little checking, and they sure do seem to sell at a large premium. 3,000-6000 for a dog not recognized?

Me, I will stay out of it, and stick to hunting brindle colored large Boars.

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Breny,

I'm sure even though your husband isn't immeresed in your program, he helps in other ways. He does approve of what your doing. Why else would he offer his handy work to complete those wonderful puppy rooms for you and your pups.

So, even though some spouses may not be thoroughly involved they offer support in one way or another.

True True, I guess I forget and take some things for granted LOL

[evab]

Originally Posted by livingdustmops

Well then I am guessing many of your breeders destroyed these puppies as many here in the states did. If you read any of the old books at the turn of the century, breeders were trying to create a white Yorkie. They were throwing in a number of different breeds.

Yes sadly there have been breeders making designer dogs with the Biewer. In fact there is a club in the states stating their dogs were from this type of breeding.

I am sorry but, I cannot and will not believe UK breeders killed any or all White & Black Yorkshire Puppies from 1870's to 2010 (140 yrs)...and non have ever gotten past them and out into the hands of the general public. There are many breeders in UK, who are not interested in showing, so do not have their litters KC reg...The Streamglen angle is not documented within any written doc,book,pedigree in the UK that I know of as having the colour White/Black in body. No offense intended.