I want a Biewer/parti yorkie

[Breezeaway]

There was one incident of false papers on biewers in UK. Here is what happened as I was told from IBC member.. I hope this helps.

(IBC) registered a breeder because she assumed that they had imported Biewers to the UK
and this breeder then had a litter which she wanted to register. So the papers from the IBC are nothing else than a Kennel name registration and a membership registration. Nothing wrong with that. The UK breeder then tried to register a litter but simply couldn't after IBC asked her to provide copies of her dog's pedigrees. So a registration and the supplying of Pedigrees was impossible and therefore never took place. Yes there is a possibility to register dogs with the IBC the same way as you can with the FCI but you can't use these dogs for a pedigree. So the UK mutt breeder didn't get any pedigrees nor registrations, so what this breeder did was.... forge her own IBC pedigrees ( due to the bad quality and mistakes made it was no wonder that she got busted) all written proof of this fraud has been handed over for investigation to the police in Birmingham UK

[mommadog1]

This thread has just gotten to nasty and now has nothing to do with the OP...I bid you adieu

[Wylie's Mom]

*Um, Hello There*

First, there are 20-30 posts that are improperly using quotations of others. Please do not quote other people improperly. If you are going to quote someone, preview your post - is it quoting the person correctly? If not, then don't post it.

Also, please refrain from making sweeping generalizations about British folks, Americans, Southerners etcetera - otherwise, what's next - a generalization about race? Seriously folks .

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Mistique, you seem to be championing the cause of some Dutch breeders selling Biewers in the U.K. as evidenced by the link you posted earlier. ADORABLEWHITEDREAM

You seem a little too sure of your knowledge of what every breeder is doing and what the 'authorities' have discovered. Your bureaucrats must be more efficient than ours as ours couldn't discover an elephant hiding under a teacup.

The Yorkshire Terrier Club in the U.K. acknowledges in its breed history the likelihood of the Maltese being used at some point in the breed's development. Here's the link...Yorkshire Terriers

Given that, how can you unequivocally state that there are no Parti Yorkshires in the whole of the country. I posted a link earlier to an ad for a Parti Yorkie in England for sale (post 221). It sure doesn't look like that dog had any Shi-tzu or Maltese in it. I would expect a more abundant coat if it had and possibly a different skull shape.

I would suggest you limit your argument to the Biewer and not confuse the Parti Yorkie with it. There are surely unethical breeders scamming people with both type dogs but that doesn't warrant such blanket statements as you have made.

For the record, I only breed traditional Yorkies and have no personal interest in either the Biewer or the Parti. If you're going to argue a point, however, at least make it rational.

It seem's that you over in germany and the state's have problem's with other breeder's and other club's this is not my buisness i have enough going on here in the uk with our own so do not want to become embroiled with your war's.
Why do all these breed's have differant name's biewer yorkshire terrier,biewer al a pom pon,Biewer terrier,parti yorkie ect ect,Surely they are all meant to of come from the same streamglen dog's.
So why is there big one's little one's fat one's thin one's floppy eared one's erect eared one's curly coat one's straight coat one's ect ect.
Yes some of the uk byb are perfecting this breed more and more each day and they are resembling the real deal over here now.
But the fact is they have been proven to of and admitted to of putting other breed's in to create this dog.
So where does it leave all you as the british have created a man made dog that look's just like your's by cross breeding.
As for adorable white dream's they slated the uk mutt breeder's on their site they admit on their's they put ths dog back to a yorkie.
Which is what the uk byb have done to try and perfect the exact look of all your's.

I HOPE THIS HELP'S.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Americans write and spell words differently, and we are all from the USA, for example I spell the word "brittish" . . . "British."

You also say she isn't from England because she used the term, "that what Brits call a yam yam" this would be similar to an citizen of the United States saying something like, "that what Americans call a hick."

This thread has gotten unbelievable rude even for a parti thread, if you think a member is someone else, report it to admin, but bullying her to shut up is wrong.

I would have said that is what "WE" Americans call a hick.

And the correction on the misspelling of brittish. Pretty petty to start pointing out typos.

[Wylie's Mom]

Please quote other members correctly or posts will be deleted. I'm sorry, but we cannot go through the previous posts and correct all of them, as there are now too many.

Going forward, you must quote others correctly or your posts will be deleted. Thank you .

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by mistique57

It seem's that you over in germany and the state's have problem's with other breeder's and other club's this is not my buisness i have enough going on here in the uk with our own so do not want to become embroiled with your war's.
Why do all these breed's have differant name's biewer yorkshire terrier,biewer al a pom pon,Biewer terrier,parti yorkie ect ect,Surely they are all meant to of come from the same streamglen dog's.
So why is there big one's little one's fat one's thin one's floppy eared one's erect eared one's curly coat one's straight coat one's ect ect.
Yes some of the uk byb are perfecting this breed more and more each day and they are resembling the real deal over here now.
But the fact is they have been proven to of and admitted to of putting other breed's in to create this dog.
So where does it leave all you as the british have created a man made dog that look's just like your's by cross breeding.
As for adorable white dream's they slated the uk mutt breeder's on their site they admit on their's they put ths dog back to a yorkie.
Which is what the uk byb have done to try and perfect the exact look of all your's.

I HOPE THIS HELP'S.

What you seem to forget is that people can crossbreed all they want, it is not against any law. They can have all the biewer/parti look alikes they wish. The fact is they are not registered they are mixes, yes. It does not matter if they look just like a parti, they are not purebred and they are not registred. Ours are, big difference.
You have crossbreeds everywhere not just yorkies and biewers, there goldendoodles, puggles, cockapoos etc etc.

[Woogie Man]

No...it doesn't help at all. My point was that it makes no sense to lump Biewers and Partis together in your argument. The Biewer is a confusing breed but things are much clearer as to the Parti Yorkie.

You haven't yet made your interest in the whole affair clear. You haven't identified yourself as either a breeder or member of any club. The only thing I see is your posting a link to some Dutch breeder and pretty much quoting their argument ver batim. Other than that, all I see are unsubstantiated opinions.

There is *some* relationship between the Biewer and the Parti but not enough to lump them together. Here in the U.S., the Biewer is not recognized by the AKC while the Parti is. Even the YTCA acknowledges the Parti, but considers their coloring to be a DQ fault.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

*Um, Hello There*

First, there are 20-30 posts that are improperly using quotations of others. Please do not quote other people improperly. If you are going to quote someone, preview your post - is it quoting the person correctly? If not, then don't post it.

Also, please refrain from making sweeping generalizations about British folks, Americans, Southerners etcetera - otherwise, what's next - a generalization about race? Seriously folks .

I'm sorry, I did not realize that they were coming up like that. Not sure why that was happening.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I would have said that is what "WE" Americans call a hick.

And the correction on the misspelling of brittish. Pretty petty to start pointing out typos.

I only used that example because you seem to think all people from the UK speak and spell alike. I'm saying that Americans all speak and spell differently, and yet we are from the same country.

Originally Posted by JeanieK

because when my son writes, or other brittish people post on here they use different words and spellings.

[shodanusmc]

What was the original question? Now I really am glad that I am not a breeder!

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by mommadog1

This thread has just gotten to nasty and now has nothing to do with the OP...I bid you adieu

THANK YOU MOMMADOG1 AND NACY1999,for your input,
I was starting to feel i was being drowned,
I have not come and joined to cause any trouble that is not in my nature.
I am never abusive toward's other's and i repect all comment's weather i agree or not.
So i would just like other's to repect my view's also without the need for some to attack and ridicule me for being british.
I do not contemplate i do know everything about this breed.
And i don't think anyone ever will,I am lost with all the name's some have for the breed,a labrador is a labrador,a gsd just that,ect ect
I know alot about the gsd i have alway's owned and still do own one but i would not dream of saying to another owner/breeder oh no you are wrong.
I am not interested what is what but i am angry that the british byb have took advantage of there own kind and conned them into a dog that is not.
I have many little dog's here in rescue that they have bred these byb have called them a biewer/splitter,parti,ect ect the new buyer has been sold a cute little puppy which they thought was a biewer or whatever the uk breeder has sold them as when the dog mature's and look's nothing like then off to the pound they go.
So yes i am angry what have these dog's ever done did they ask to be used as an experiment to perfect a breed of dog you all have in your country's.
Did they ask to be thrown out and abused when they look nothing like this breed as an adult only in colour.
So yes i am angry and i will help to try and stop these byb from breeding these dog's and exploiting them and their parent's.
I have a little tear in my eye as i write this as i have 2 curled up on my lap another running around being a monkey another 2 that i have taken for shot's today all from these silly greedy money making byb.
It is now my job to love and find forever caring home's for these oh so beautiful little dog's that have been bred to look like a certain breed.
One of these breeder's we have managed to get shut down 24 dog's were removed traditional yorkies,parti yorkies,biewer lookalike yorkies,that were starving thin emaciated.
So yes i am upset and angry without me and other's able to pick up the peice's these byb have made and care for the little dog's they have bred where would these poor babies be.
Our dog's home's are full to bursting with other breed's without the false creation of this breed here.
So please be a little nicer to new people joining your forum in future and maybe get your fact's right before you attack.
And weather you belive me or not make's not difference but i am british born and bred.
I was hoping to get a little advice on this breed to help us here in rescue understand more about them as they do look very much like what you have but i don't think so somehow now.

Thank you all.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

What was the original question? Now I really am glad that I am not a breeder!

As you hang around, you'll see that, with threads about Biewers/Partis, the OP often gets left in the dust. It's just one of those 'charged' subjects.

[Pinehaven]

Oh my goodness ... what a busy morning, looks like I have a lot of reading to catch up on, thank goodness for lunch breaks at work!

I’m going to lump my reply to Mistque's posts to me from this morning ... here we go ...

First, I’m sorry if I misinterpreted your one reply when you said “Pinehaven to have several conversation's and take this guy as his word is not enough really i have actually met these people here in england face to face so do know what they are capable of, I think i do know of the guy you mention as i know of buyer's that have purchased his puppies.

When asked why his puppies had white in them his answer was well it was a shock when our girl gave birth as she has never had white in her pup's before but they are popular in germany and america...”

I read this as though you were talking about the conversations that the Uk breeder, YT members and myself had with him but you were apparently implying that “When asked (by the UK puppy buyers) why his puppies had ...” My mistake.

You and EvaB came here a few days ago. EvaB said on another thread, that parti colors never show up in the UK, I merely pointed out another YT thread (2 years old), where someone in the UK did have a parti litter.

This UK breeder has automatically been labeled as a scam artist and byb by you based on your “thinking” you know who he is, and your “thinking” he bought one of his dogs from one of the other byb breeders in the UK (I’m assuming you mean one of the other byb breeders who are breeding the fake biewers?). You also say “I know of buyer’s that have purchased his puppies,” if that’s the case, than wouldn’t you “know” who he was?

I really don’t care one way or the other, I just pointed out that someone in the UK has produced parti out of 2 traditional yorkies.

I do agree with you that scam artists who are breeding dogs and saying they are something they are not and giving fake papers should be caught, prosecuted and punished.

Ok, nuff said

[mistique57]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Does anyone want to point ot the misspelling here?

Oh I get it now. You are the only one that knows anything about the partis or the biewers, the rest of us are clueless and all of the documented information posted is forged. And you personally know every yorkshire terrier in the UK.

I have stuff to do, I'll catch up on this later.

Yes jeaniek i am not perfect i do make spelling mistake's i was rushing to try and answer as many of you as i could i am one on my own you seem to be many coming at me.