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Mardelin 11-03-2009 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2865370)
me too... I am taking her for xrays on day 56, hopefully she will hold until day 59 or later, she is a maden bitch so only time will tell..:)
I prefer day 59-61 of 2nd breeding......just feel a bit more comfortable

bjh 11-03-2009 07:49 AM
I used the Pet-Cal tabs for years but then I discovered the Doc Roy's Healthy Bones sold by Revival and I much prefer them. I have been using them for a couple of years now. My females love the flavor of them. I give 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 at bedtime. The Pet-Cal contains soy flour.
Doc Roy's Healthy Bones Tabs

carmen in nj 11-03-2009 07:52 AM
I wanted day 59 but my son is going on vacation and I really want him there that way she will not be too stressed out even tho she should known everyone there since my son works there,I want her to be as stress free as I can..LOL
hugs,
CArmen innj

kriston 11-03-2009 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2865369)
Don't feel bad, I had a fold up picnic table with all the supplies ready, and a refrigerator shelf ready with the meds......Towels, blow dryer and medicated shampoo ready in the bathroom with a space heater there so it would be nice and toasty in there when I went to clean her up. Come whelping time my bedroom looks like a hospital room.
Me TOO!!!
DH even laughs and tells everyone that our MasterBedroom smells like an OR for the first few days after delivery!

carmen in nj 11-03-2009 08:09 AM
LOL, well my dressing room doubles as the maternity ward.. as my family calls it.. that way I can keep an eye on my babies and mommy.. I don't have it in my bedroom because i have 3 others that sleep in my bedroom, so my dressing room is it...LOL I do set everything up closer to whelping and yes it even smells like the OR..LOL

Mardelin 11-03-2009 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2865397)
LOL, well my dressing room doubles as the maternity ward.. as my family calls it.. that way I can keep an eye on my babies and mommy.. I don't have it in my bedroom because i have 3 others that sleep in my bedroom, so my dressing room is it...LOL I do set everything up closer to whelping and yes it even smells like the OR..LOL
I had two litters this last time; 48 hours apart.....had one set up in the guest room the other in my room. However, when they were 2 weeks of age, I left for dog shows in Dallas.....the one from the guest room had to be moved to my room so that hubby could monitor both litters and their mothers. So with the picnic table set up with supplies between the two whelping areas, it was pretty tight in there.

Marc 11-06-2009 10:00 AM
QUESTIONS:

Ok. She is within days of whelping. Now, what if she starts in the middle of the night....do they make ANY noises? She does sleep in my room but not in my bed for night. Any noise?

She hasn't gained weight in the past week though her belly got "harder"....is this of concern? She has gained about a pound and 4 ounces total so far.

Can I feed her as much as she wants to eat these last few days or will that cause major pup growth and whelp issues?

Frick, I am nervous, lol.

Mardelin 11-06-2009 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2870431)
QUESTIONS:

Ok. She is within days of whelping. Now, what if she starts in the middle of the night....do they make ANY noises? She does sleep in my room but not in my bed for night. Any noise?

She hasn't gained weight in the past week though her belly got "harder"....is this of concern? She has gained about a pound and 4 ounces total so far.

Can I feed her as much as she wants to eat these last few days or will that cause major pup growth and whelp issues?

Frick, I am nervous, lol.
At times they do make noise, you'll hear digging or pacing. Other times they'll do it on their own......Just put your mother's ears on.

rbelland 11-06-2009 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2870431)
QUESTIONS:

Ok. She is within days of whelping. Now, what if she starts in the middle of the night....do they make ANY noises? She does sleep in my room but not in my bed for night. Any noise?

She hasn't gained weight in the past week though her belly got "harder"....is this of concern? She has gained about a pound and 4 ounces total so far.

Can I feed her as much as she wants to eat these last few days or will that cause major pup growth and whelp issues?

Frick, I am nervous, lol.
I know exactly how you are feeling right now. We are due anytime!!! A wise woman once told me to try very hard to be a calm as can be. She told me my girl will show me the way.
Tayah has not gained a whole bunch either. But then she is only having one maybe two.
Good Luck to you!!!

Marc 11-06-2009 12:53 PM
Lord help me....i am so anxious I could pee myself, lol. It's been a long time of reading, watching, asking...and hopefully learning to get to this week. I believe I am ready with what is needed...but putting it all into real life is the true test. I really hope that my girl does well and comes out of this healthy and same with the pups..and me, lol.

starstella92 11-06-2009 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2870801)
Lord help me....i am so anxious I could pee myself, lol. It's been a long time of reading, watching, asking...and hopefully learning to get to this week. I believe I am ready with what is needed...but putting it all into real life is the true test. I really hope that my girl does well and comes out of this healthy and same with the pups..and me, lol.
I know how you feel too. I'm in the same boat. My Maya is due tomorrow, but today we were sure she was showing signs of pre-labor, which have since subsided. Her temp. is still below normal, now at 99.4 (earlier it was 98.9), but she's no longer restless or panting like before. So yeah, we thought it was happening but then it stopped. Ugh! lols So, it's definitely a waiting game. Tomorrow is Day 63- her "official" due date in my book, anyways. We're hoping to see pups at least by Sunday evening. This is exciting and nervewracking all at once. Good luck to you! I think you'll be great!!! :)

Marc 11-08-2009 08:35 AM
Thanks stars and good luck with your girl as well!

QUESTION:

I need a little mental visual....how many inches would you say a pup averages? How wide do you think they are? I have watched many a video but I still want to know what to expect.

Also, from the videos I see how the bubble sack comes out....how long can it be partially out before you feel it necessary to help it along....and how do you help without breaking that sack? Any info would be great. I am hoping my helper will be there but am preparing just in case I am alone.

Mardelin 11-08-2009 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2872855)
Thanks stars and good luck with your girl as well!

QUESTION:

I need a little mental visual....how many inches would you say a pup averages? How wide do you think they are? I have watched many a video but I still want to know what to expect.

Also, from the videos I see how the bubble sack comes out....how long can it be partially out before you feel it necessary to help it along....and how do you help without breaking that sack? Any info would be great. I am hoping my helper will be there but am preparing just in case I am alone.
Anywhere from an inch to three inches in length, dependent on the size of the pup....each is different. Width, it's dependent on each pup....average about an inch......These are just guesses......I've really never measured at birth, just weighed.

You'll have a bubble feltal sac (water bag) (sometimes) come firstj. If the dam breaks the sak and licks and stimulates the pup, that's fine! If she doesn't then you must interfere. You can use your heomostat to clamp about an inch from the puppy's belly and a 2nd hemostant one more inch down on the cord towards the vuva to keep the cord from going back in. Use dull scissors or your fingernails to cut the cord between the two hemostat, Feel for the puppy first and make sure that isn't just the bubble the comes first.

Marc 11-14-2009 07:13 AM
Just talked to the vet. They said that yesterday would have been day 63 from the LAST tie....which puts today at 64. They said I shouldn't worry and call on monday if she still hasn't had them. Does this make sense to you all?

First tie was Sept 11 and second tie on the 12th.

carmen in nj 11-14-2009 07:32 AM
i just spoke to my mentor and she said tha she does not start worrying until day 67 from last tie,when progesterone(SP) test is not done.
hugs,
Carmen in nj

Marc 11-14-2009 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2880452)
i just spoke to my mentor and she said tha she does not start worrying until day 67 from last tie,when progesterone(SP) test is not done.
hugs,
Carmen in nj
Thanks Carmen! Well, monday would be 66 from last tie. I just worry that they will grow bigger than what she can handle....but, I'm new...maybe I shouldn't worry so early.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2880439)
Just talked to the vet. They said that yesterday would have been day 63 from the LAST tie....which puts today at 64. They said I shouldn't worry and call on monday if she still hasn't had them. Does this make sense to you all?

First tie was Sept 11 and second tie on the 12th.
Not to start worrying yet........as I posted before. All is dependent on when she ovulated....She may have not ovulated until after the last tie.....Day 67 is the magic number.


Are you able to hear a heartbeat, are the pups active? If you're unsure of any of this, take her into the vet and have him examine her. He'll be able to tell you if she's dropped, where the pups are. I know we all tend to worry and 2nd guess ourselves....but, I'm so glad that you are being extra cautious.

Marc 11-14-2009 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880462)
Not to start worrying yet........as I posted before. All is dependent on when she ovulated....She may have not ovulated until after the last tie.....Day 67 is the magic number.


Are you able to hear a heartbeat, are the pups active? If you're unsure of any of this, take her into the vet and have him examine her. He'll be able to tell you if she's dropped, where the pups are. I know we all tend to worry and 2nd guess ourselves....but, I'm so glad that you are being extra cautious.
Hi! They are very active at times during the day. I thought I'd take her in and have her checked over but only if there was no movement. They are very active. I think there is certainly 3 in there based on what I was seeing tumble around this morning. Maybe 4. I don't have a stethascope...but am not concerned at this point that they are weak or anything based on what I am seeing. I don't wanna stress her out and take her in for nothing. I have his cell number if any concerns come over the weekend.

bjh 11-14-2009 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2880474)
Hi! They are very active at times during the day. I thought I'd take her in and have her checked over but only if there was no movement. They are very active. I think there is certainly 3 in there based on what I was seeing tumble around this morning. Maybe 4. I don't have a stethascope...but am not concerned at this point that they are weak or anything based on what I am seeing. I don't wanna stress her out and take her in for nothing. I have his cell number if any concerns come over the weekend.
I am sure she will be just fine. I have had females go as long as 70 days from the first breeding. The sperm can live up to 5 days or more so it is possible your girl got pregnant a couple of days after the last breeding. Do you remember what day of her heat cycle the second breeding was done on?

Mardelin 11-14-2009 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2880474)
Hi! They are very active at times during the day. I thought I'd take her in and have her checked over but only if there was no movement. They are very active. I think there is certainly 3 in there based on what I was seeing tumble around this morning. Maybe 4. I don't have a stethascope...but am not concerned at this point that they are weak or anything based on what I am seeing. I don't wanna stress her out and take her in for nothing. I have his cell number if any concerns come over the weekend.
You won't stress her taking her in. Since this is your first time...he can better assist you in determining where those pups are.

Nature is great. Usually and I say usually, during the last week or so, mom's slow down a bit in their eating......mother nature's way of controlling the size. I know people get concerned about the growth (and you can have a larger one), especially if it's just one.....but, I've seen a litter of one weigh under 3 oz. There's no way your vet will perform a C-section now, with the possibility existing that they still maybe on the preemie side......

We've given you the danger signs and what to watch for should distress come into play....don't hestitate (and I know you won't) to contact your vet, or take her in, if you're unsure.

Marc 11-14-2009 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880493)
You won't stress her taking her in. Since this is your first time...he can better assist you in determining where those pups are.

Nature is great. Usually and I say usually, during the last week or so, mom's slow down a bit in their eating......mother nature's way of controlling the size. I know people get concerned about the growth (and you can have a larger one), especially if it's just one.....but, I've seen a litter of one weigh under 3 oz. There's no way your vet will perform a C-section now, with the possibility existing that they still maybe on the preemie side......

We've given you the danger signs and what to watch for should distress come into play....don't hestitate (and I know you won't) to contact your vet, or take her in, if you're unsure.
I think if monday comes around and she still hasn't had them then I will take her in even if by all apearances she seems fine.

If I can get someone to watch her for half and hour then I will go buy a thermometer for her and see how the next couple of days go. I am aware about the gums going cold if she is in shock so I am checking them often. So far they are warm as hot puddin'. :) I won't be hesitating to phone anyone, lol.

I am checking on the cycle date that you asked for in the previous post....i think it's day 11 or 12 but I am going to check.

She wasn't eating her dry food for most of her pregnancy. I got high quality puppy wet and mixed it with her dry daily. I would say I gave her a few tablespoons three times a day of that mix. If I gave her a different meal then it would have been some rice and chicken. I hope I didnt over feed her.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2880513)
I think if monday comes around and she still hasn't had them then I will take her in even if by all apearances she seems fine.

If I can get someone to watch her for half and hour then I will go buy a thermometer for her and see how the next couple of days go. I am aware about the gums going cold if she is in shock so I am checking them often. So far they are warm as hot puddin'. :) I won't be hesitating to phone anyone, lol.

I am checking on the cycle date that you asked for in the previous post....i think it's day 11 or 12 but I am going to check.

She wasn't eating her dry food for most of her pregnancy. I got high quality puppy wet and mixed it with her dry daily. I would say I gave her a few tablespoons three times a day of that mix. If I gave her a different meal then it would have been some rice and chicken. I hope I didnt over feed her.
I've had some not ovulate until their 16th day.....and have milked it past the 65 th day........I did run them to my vet though....nervous just like you.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2880474)
Hi! They are very active at times during the day. I thought I'd take her in and have her checked over but only if there was no movement. They are very active. I think there is certainly 3 in there based on what I was seeing tumble around this morning. Maybe 4. I don't have a stethascope...but am not concerned at this point that they are weak or anything based on what I am seeing. I don't wanna stress her out and take her in for nothing. I have his cell number if any concerns come over the weekend.
Let me add, I have a female, now retired. Her last litter.....she gave me no signs, no glazed look, no digging, ate like a pig right up until she whelped. On day 64, I went to do some shopping (hubby was here with her). When I came back 45 minutes later, she'd whelped her first pup......again she gave us no signs that whelping time was near.....this girl's temp never dropped and always acted normal right up until her first contraction hit her. Always had them either the 63rd or 64th day of her last breeding, always gave me 3 pups and delivered them in 3 hours......

Marc 11-14-2009 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880524)
Let me add, I have a female, now retired. Her last litter.....she gave me no signs, no glazed look, no digging, ate like a pig right up until she whelped. On day 64, I went to do some shopping (hubby was here with her). When I came back 45 minutes later, she'd whelped her first pup......again she gave us no signs that whelping time was near.....this girl's temp never dropped and always acted normal right up until her first contraction hit her. Always had them either the 63rd or 64th day of her last breeding, always gave me 3 pups and delivered them in 3 hours......
I hope I get some sign....but if I don't....I am watching like a hawk, lol.

I have to re-make that whelping pudding. How long does it stay good in the fridge. I made a batch the night before her first due date and that was last tuesday night....I should remake it....but want to know how long it stays good in the fridge.....

carmen in nj 11-14-2009 12:50 PM
I don't make the whelping pudding until she is in labor, :rolleyes: I have the nutri drops to give her if needed,so when she starts nesting I leave hubby or anyone home with her and run to the kitchen and mix the pudding and put it in the fridge, by the time whelping comes is ready to give to her. I usually discard anything left by the 4th day.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2880747)
I hope I get some sign....but if I don't....I am watching like a hawk, lol.

I have to re-make that whelping pudding. How long does it stay good in the fridge. I made a batch the night before her first due date and that was last tuesday night....I should remake it....but want to know how long it stays good in the fridge.....
Make a new batch....what you'll want to give her right after whelp is the goats milk recipe I gave you.

carmen in nj 11-14-2009 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880759)
Make a new batch....what you'll want to give her right after whelp is the goats milk recipe I gave you.
I have not tried the goats milk recipe, do you mind sharing it with me? I would love to try it with Chanel.how much do I give he and do I give her that instead of the nutri drops? and for how long during or after whelping?,
sorry for all the questions I never heard of the goats milk thing before.:)
thanks,
Carmen in nj

Mardelin 11-14-2009 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2880766)
I have not tried the goats milk recipe, do you mind sharing it with me? I would love to try it with Chanel.how much do I give he and do I give her that instead of the nutri drops? and for how long during or after whelping?,
sorry for all the questions I never heard of the goats milk thing before.:)
thanks,
Carmen in nj
I do the NutriDrops to help her along, if needed and immediately after. Also, administer a couple of drops onto the puppies gums.

The goats milk recipe I give at times between puppies, if she'll take it. But definately as soon as she's been cleaned up and puppies are with her. I pour into a cereal bowl and put it under her chin, I've never had one turn their nose up at it.

Recipe:

1 12 oz can of goats milk
= part of distilled water - I usually make sure the water has been refrigerated, a bit more refreshing to them.
1 tablespoon of Karo Syrup
1 well beaten egg yolk
Shake and serve

carmen in nj 11-14-2009 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2880929)
I do the NutriDrops to help her along, if needed and immediately after. Also, administer a couple of drops onto the puppies gums.

The goats milk recipe I give at times between puppies, if she'll take it. But definately as soon as she's been cleaned up and puppies are with her. I pour into a cereal bowl and put it under her chin, I've never had one turn their nose up at it.

Recipe:

1 12 oz can of goats milk
= part of distilled water - I usually make sure the water has been refrigerated, a bit more refreshing to them.
1 tablespoon of Karo Syrup
1 well beaten egg yolk
Shake and serve
thank you very much, I will give it a go..
I will go out tomorrow and get the cans of goats milk.

Mardelin 11-14-2009 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2880941)
thank you very much, I will give it a go..
I will go out tomorrow and get the cans of goats milk.
Always keep goats milk on hand......for after whelp and you never know when you may have to supplement.

Goats milk, Karo Syrup and distilled water are staples around here at whelping time.


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