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Marc 09-14-2009 08:33 AM

You may also want to try putting them in a bigger area. I tried that gate thing too and nothing was happening....when I put mine in the garage to run around is when all the action happened.

Can you bring her in for a test to see if she is too early or if you missed it? Is artificial insemination an option for you?

Marc 09-14-2009 10:59 AM

Question:

Should I be counting 62 or 63 days from the first tie? I see various opinions ranging from 58-64......seems like 63 is most likely the day?

Sugar's Mom 09-14-2009 11:50 AM

i count 63 days and hubby counts 62 days for his beagles. start expecting from day 58 on and you can't go wrong. LOL

nyteacups 09-14-2009 12:32 PM

im trying to convince myself that nature will just take its course i have been told that if she does become pregnant and i have not witnessed their miracle moment she will remain swollen down there after her heat has passed is this accurate and are there any other signs i would be able to look for:) i think if nature does not come through for us this heat cycle i might be looking into AI :( thanks again for everyones help :thumbup:

WV~Yorkies 09-15-2009 04:54 AM

nyteacups: You always need to hold your female. Never leave them alone and let nature take its course. Your female could hurt your male if they did tie. If your female is taller he might need help reaching.

Marc 09-15-2009 06:16 AM

Question:

I was wondering if I could be directed to any site/video/info on immediate whelping care....such as cutting the cord, suctioning, heating, etc. I am a few weeks away from confirming if she is pregnant but I would like to get ahead of the game and fill myself with the knowledge and info.

Also, is that whelping recipe something to give momma even if the delivery is going well or only if needed?

Marc 09-15-2009 11:06 AM

In addition to the above question.....what would be considered a good weight for a newly born puppy. What weight would consistute concern?

nyteacups 09-15-2009 08:51 PM

see thats the whole thing theres not much height difference between them an inch if that i really think he could reach if he was a bit more aggressive and wanted to get the job done but i guess since this would be his first time he dosent know whats waiting for him at the end of the rainbow,,,,smile,,,,,intrested in learning how to train him to be a good stud dog can you help wv yorkies THANKS A BUNCH IN ADVANCE

Marc 09-16-2009 07:15 AM

Question:

I was wondering if I could be directed to any site/video/info on immediate whelping care....such as cutting the cord, suctioning, heating, etc. I am a few weeks away from confirming if she is pregnant but I would like to get ahead of the game and fill myself with the knowledge and info.

Also, is that whelping recipe something to give momma even if the delivery is going well or only if needed?

What is considered a good weight range for a new born pup....what weight would cause concern?

Thanks so much!

carmen in nj 09-16-2009 07:46 AM

When my taffy got pregnant I knew nothing about breeding, or whelping, since we were told that she was fixed when we adopted her from the rescue, I found a lot of valuable information at Debbie Jensen's site.. also I asked a breeder that I met thru my son to be my mentor he happend to live close to me, so I went and witness one of his beagle girl whelped and learned a lot..
here's the link to Debbie's site..
Debbie Jensen

Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders.

another site that helped a lot was

Whelping Supplies

bjh 09-16-2009 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2802995)
Question:

I was wondering if I could be directed to any site/video/info on immediate whelping care....such as cutting the cord, suctioning, heating, etc. I am a few weeks away from confirming if she is pregnant but I would like to get ahead of the game and fill myself with the knowledge and info.

Also, is that whelping recipe something to give momma even if the delivery is going well or only if needed?

What is considered a good weight range for a new born pup....what weight would cause concern?

Thanks so much!

This website has lots of good information on whelping.

Links to the best Breeding & Whelping sites and articles on the net!

I always just keep Nutri-cal on hand and I give some to the mom throughout the delivery. I have never used the whelping pudding. I recommend you order from Revival Animal Health, the Oral Cal Plus (fast acting calcium), Nutri-drops and I recommend their Doc Roy's Healthy Bones as a calcium supplement for the mom after the pups are born. The Oral Cal I would only use if mom has gone a long time between pups or if after she has pups she shows signs of eclampsia.

Pups can range in size from 2 oz to 7 oz. It does not matter if they are big or small they can all be susceptible to health issues during and after the birthing process. I think pups that are extremely small do have a harder time surviving because sometimes it is hard for them to latch on if the mom has big nipples.

This is also a good article to read:
http://www.showpapillons.com/formula.htm

Marc 09-16-2009 08:47 AM

Oh my gosh! Those are some great sites! Thanks so much! I could sit here and read all day! That debbie lady needs a medal for putting together such a fantastic info site!

carmen in nj 09-16-2009 09:14 AM

Yes Debbie's site is amazing, I have a few more links somewhere in my desktop at home.. I will post them for you later, I did a LOT of reading and searching when we got the news that Taffy was pregnant.. my hubby use to tease me that I studied so hard that he was going to issue me a PHD in whelping...LOL but i wanted to be as prepared and ready as i was going to be.. now I am refreshing myself since I am mating my silkie next week when she is ready to my Harry boy for some Pure silky terrier pups..
again I am nervous and anxious and she just started bleeding tow days ago...LOL:D:D

Marc 09-16-2009 09:57 AM

Question:

How long is her vulva going to be swollen? Does it go normal if she isn't pregnant and by when? If she is pregnant does it stay swollen?

bjh 09-16-2009 10:10 AM

The vulva will usually stay somewhat swollen for two months whether she is pregnant or not. All females are different, some stay more swollen than others. One good indication of pregnancy is when they start having a clear gooey discharge but sometimes that does not occur until the last few weeks of pregnancy.

carmen in nj 09-16-2009 10:14 AM

if she does not get pregnant about day 25 to 27 she should be returning to normal, if she gets pregnant, her vulva and tits will stay slightly swollen if I remember correctly. someone correct me if I am wrong.. but this is chanel second heat and I think I remember me bringing Harry home from my mom's at day 26 of her first heat.I had it marked in the calendar..LOL I missed my boy so much, but I did not want to risk her pregnant so young. and I remember giving her a bath before he got home to get rid of the odor and she looked almost normal to me..;)

inabowbina 09-16-2009 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2787754)
I'm gonna be devils advocate here but why are you breeding her if you do not know the answers to these breeding questions before hand? One should always know the breeding process before attempting to breed for the first time...but again JMHO

Donna

I know a lot about breeding i have read everything i can and i have done my homework. but as everything i do in life i only really learn by actually doing. And when your doing something you sometimes forget what you have studied and need guidance. everyone need guidance when first doing something that is with almost everything. everyone starts form somewhere nobody is a pro to begin with. im sure he did his homework he is just unsure and needs some help by people who have done it before.

inabowbina 09-16-2009 05:43 PM

check out MalteseLuv very very informative love her site.:thumbup:

FlDebra 09-16-2009 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inabowbina (Post 2803902)
I know a lot about breeding i have read everything i can and i have done my homework. but as everything i do in life i only really learn by actually doing. And when your doing something you sometimes forget what you have studied and need guidance. everyone need guidance when first doing something that is with almost everything. everyone starts form somewhere nobody is a pro to begin with. im sure he did his homework he is just unsure and needs some help by people who have done it before.

I agree with what you wrote here. I asked and reasked some questions just to get more input. It is a lot more reassuring for me to hear from the breeders here on YT that I have come to respect. If they tell me the same thing I have read, then I feel pretty secure that I have a good answer. When I lost my female after the last litter, I was devastated. I was suddenly unsure of everything I thought I knew. I felt better getting every little bit of advice direct from breeders here while I cared for the puppies. I was not disappointed either. I was given such wonderful and thorough advice that we made it through without losing any of those 5 precious puppies. I love to study and research online, but there is something about one-to-one communication, even if through online postings that just makes you more secure in the knowledge and learning curve.

We see so many here on YT that do nothing to prepare before breeding and then ask questions while in the middle of mating or birthing, that it is easy to forget that many just want to get confirmation from the experienced folks here. Glad you reminded us.

Marc 09-16-2009 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inabowbina (Post 2803902)
I know a lot about breeding i have read everything i can and i have done my homework. but as everything i do in life i only really learn by actually doing. And when your doing something you sometimes forget what you have studied and need guidance. everyone need guidance when first doing something that is with almost everything. everyone starts form somewhere nobody is a pro to begin with. im sure he did his homework he is just unsure and needs some help by people who have done it before.

Thank you so much for posting this. It really made me feel better.

I know I am asking many questions....most of which I researched answers and advice for a year ago already. But, to LIVE it and have the actual tieing and pregnancy and birthing right in front of you is NOTHING like ready it, lol. Pictures sure are helping me get a good visual :)

I'm not completly new cause many years ago my dear dog who is now 12 years old....(love her :)) she very unexpectedly became prego. I literaly had a week to get ready and learn. All went well....puppies placed...momma did great....but I was a wreck! I had never been through that before. I got her fixed right after, lol. But, she is not a 5 pound dog....it's a whole new ball game for me.

I have read and read and read. I ask...though I am often scared to here. Someone posted a link for me to a debbie jensen site and on there is this:

"I have always been confused by any dog breeder that calls a new breeder a backyard breeder.
What they never were young and inexperienced ?
How did they forget ?
Nobody has a right to make you feel small or less because you have chosen to be a dog breeder, especially if they breed themselves. "

That was good to read. So true. Everyone starts somewhere. I just happened to be starting. This may even end up being her only litter....if I go through this and don't feel confident....I won't be doing it again. I love my girl and want her with me always :)

Anyway, thanks so much for that. I really appreciated reading it :)

EDIT: I'm a girl. My name often gets confused with "mark" the way it looks, ha.

BamaFan121s 09-17-2009 05:34 AM

Generally speaking, I have NEVER seen anyone on this site criticized just because they were new breeders. Yes, everyone starts somewhere-the difference is, what you do to prepare yourself BEFORE you start. Did you start by researching, working with a mentor and taking the time to select quality, registered stock, or did you just breed your dogs, decide to learn as you go and hide under the excuse that "everyone starts somewhere." See the difference?

Sometimes it's not hard to differentiate between those who have prepared and just want reassurance and those who have done little or no research beforehand. In the latter of the two situations, I am always relieved to see experienced breeders stepping in and speaking up.

Again, I've never seen anyone put down because they were new to breeding, I have however seen many times people post up for advice, flaunting their lack of knowledge and preparation and then told that they still have a lot of learning to do and that they should stop and better prepare. (Or just stop!)

enlighten60 09-17-2009 06:55 AM

ok guys I don't know what you are talking about( tie) what is that. one holds the male and one holds the felmale?? my yorkie is only 6months.

bjh 09-17-2009 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enlighten60 (Post 2804455)
ok guys I don't know what you are talking about( tie) what is that. one holds the male and one holds the felmale?? my yorkie is only 6months.

This explains it all, pictures also.

Breeding - Tie, Male and Female dog breeding tie

Marc 09-17-2009 10:43 AM

Question:

I am having some confusion over the cord cutting thing. Some places I am reading "surgical scissors" and other places I am reading dull childrens scissors. Can the cords be cut with any sharpness?

Also, if mom doesn't push out the placenta....how long should you wait and then get it out yourself....and how is the best way to go about removing it?

My biggest fear is a second puppy exiting while first puppy's placenta is still inside :(

enlighten60 09-17-2009 12:52 PM

I see why you sent me the link LOLOL thank you lot of stuff on the website.

carmen in nj 09-17-2009 01:00 PM

I used a pair of children's sissors from the dollar store and they worked fine.. about the placentas they came out right after the babies with the next set of contractions and the last one I was very concerned because it did not come out right away, I called my vet and he told me to bring her in the morning for a shot of oxytocin, but my holistic vet told me to give her some Raspberry leaf tea and withing 20 minutes the placenta was out..:D and YES I am a firm beleiver of holistic medicine combine with Normal medicine.:)
hugs,
cArmen in nj

enlighten60 09-17-2009 01:04 PM

where do you get that tea and how do you make it?

bjh 09-17-2009 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc (Post 2804754)
Question:

I am having some confusion over the cord cutting thing. Some places I am reading "surgical scissors" and other places I am reading dull childrens scissors. Can the cords be cut with any sharpness?

Also, if mom doesn't push out the placenta....how long should you wait and then get it out yourself....and how is the best way to go about removing it?

My biggest fear is a second puppy exiting while first puppy's placenta is still inside :(

I have whelped many many litters and I can tell you that many times you might not see all the placentas. My husband and I work together delivering the pups and he just cuts the cord with a sharp pair of surgical scissors and he then pinches the cord and we tie it off with dental floss. Many times I have just torn the cord using my finger nails, similar to how the momma would do if she was cutting it with her teeth. Some people like to clamp the cord and then cut it. No matter which way you choose you need to make sure the puppy's cord not bleeding too much. Many times the placenta will not release. You do not want to pull real hard on the placenta cord because it needs to come out naturally. Sometimes I have delivered several pups before a placenta comes out. Once all the pups are born, their nursing will help stimulate the moms uterus so the mom will continue to have contractions and she should eventually expel all the placentas. Many breeders recommend a cleanout shot (oxytocin) after the mom is through.

bjh 09-17-2009 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enlighten60 (Post 2804926)
I see why you sent me the link LOLOL thank you lot of stuff on the website.

You're welcome, as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. :)

bjh 09-17-2009 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 2804939)
I used a pair of children's sissors from the dollar store and they worked fine.. about the placentas they came out right after the babies with the next set of contractions and the last one I was very concerned because it did not come out right away, I called my vet and he told me to bring her in the morning for a shot of oxytocin, but my holistic vet told me to give her some Raspberry leaf tea and withing 20 minutes the placenta was out..:D and YES I am a firm beleiver of holistic medicine combine with Normal medicine.:)
hugs,
cArmen in nj

That is interesting about the tea, I need to get some from the Health Food store. How did you prepare it?


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