Bleeding and breeding

[WV~Yorkies]

I am praying for you!

Sometimes if you make the stand to push it helps them.

[Marc]

First puppy born at 12......born with intestines outside its body. I can't talk about it....I almost passed out on the phone with the vet.

Second pup..boy....born 12:17....a bruiser at 6.3 ounces.

Third pup....boy...born at 12:28....5.5 ounces.

Unsure if she is having one more...I thought maybe but it's been a while now.

Two placentas inside....will call vet in a.m.

Mom seems just fine. Can't type...gotta go for a bit.....

[WV~Yorkies]

Sorry about the first pup. I hope the others are doing well. How is momma doing?

[blancla]

I am so sorry about the first one. I'm glad that the other 2 got here okay. How are they this morning?

[WinstonMom]

Marc,

I am very,very sorry about the first pup. Hope Mama and boys are o.k this morning. Those are some good-sized boys. It sounds like things went fast once it got started. Marc, you did well and so did your mama.

[Mardelin]

Hope momma and boys are doing ok.

So sorry about your first boy.

[rbelland]

Sorry to hear about your boy!!!

How is mama and the other two doing this morning?

[halandshawnie]

I am sorry to hear about the first boy, but congrats on the other two babies! I hope that all went well over night, and that you are getting some well deserved sleep right now.

[carmen in nj]

Congratulations on the two boys. sorry about the first pup.
hope mama and you get some rest.
hugs,
Carmen in nj

[Marc]

Thank you all.

Mom and pups did great all night. Only sounds I heard was them sucking

I will weigh them in just a minute. But if they suck all night and aren't fussing or crying they should be getting milk, right?

My experience with the first pup was terrifying. It happened all so fast. The pup came out and I noticed right away that the intestines were there. It was pup against vulva....mom went crazy as this was her first ever pup and I think she thought the intestine was placenta...and started chewing. Pup was screaming....mom was more frantic trying to help her...all the while I am trying to get in between them and get enough cord that is in momma to cut baby loose. Finally I managed it and had to whisk her away because momma wanted to keep "cleaning" and "chewing". So, I had mom running frantic while I had the pup and the kids dialed vet for me......long story short...I was drenched in sweat from the stress of it, and nearly passed out.

Had no time. Number two and three came like 10 minutes apart. Those went much better.....though there was about half an inch of cord between out pup and mom. She had long cleaned them...she got the sacks off and got them going real good. I aspirated to help her out. But that is how they stayed so she started chewing RIGHT cord right beside moms belly. This was so long of that length that one pup even moved herself to drink. So, I got hold of what I could and gently pulled even just enoough so I could cut the right length or as close as I could.

I pray these boys do well. I pray my mom does well. I have many questions now and will call the vet when they open.

Like, she ate no placenta. Do I need special diet now?
Two are in her....when can she get the shot?

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Marc

Thank you all.

Mom and pups did great all night. Only sounds I heard was them sucking

I will weigh them in just a minute. But if they suck all night and aren't fussing or crying they should be getting milk, right?

My experience with the first pup was terrifying. It happened all so fast. The pup came out and I noticed right away that the intestines were there. It was pup against vulva....mom went crazy as this was her first ever pup and I think she thought the intestine was placenta...and started chewing. Pup was screaming....mom was more frantic trying to help her...all the while I am trying to get in between them and get enough cord that is in momma to cut baby loose. Finally I managed it and had to whisk her away because momma wanted to keep "cleaning" and "chewing". So, I had mom running frantic while I had the pup and the kids dialed vet for me......long story short...I was drenched in sweat from the stress of it, and nearly passed out.

Had no time. Number two and three came like 10 minutes apart. Those went much better.....though there was about half an inch of cord between out pup and mom. She had long cleaned them...she got the sacks off and got them going real good. I aspirated to help her out. But that is how they stayed so she started chewing RIGHT cord right beside moms belly. This was so long of that length that one pup even moved herself to drink. So, I got hold of what I could and gently pulled even just enoough so I could cut the right length or as close as I could.

I pray these boys do well. I pray my mom does well. I have many questions now and will call the vet when they open.

Like, she ate no placenta. Do I need special diet now?
Two are in her....when can she get the shot?

I am so sorry you lost the little boy. That happened to me once and my vet said it is just a freak occurence and no ones fault. Your mama needs the shot this morning. IF she does have retained placentas, it will help her expel them and prevent infection. As far as special diet, I just give my mama's aa few extra meals a day when nursing and make sure that one of them is whelping pudding mixed with her other food. i don't think you will have to worry too much about extra calcuim with only two babies. I know some breeders don't agree but I also give my girls about a tablespoon of cottage cheese once a day when they are nursing. Congratulations on your babies!!!!!!!

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I am so sorry you lost the little boy. That happened to me once and my vet said it is just a freak occurence and no ones fault. Your mama needs the shot this morning. IF she does have retained placentas, it will help her expel them and prevent infection. As far as special diet, I just give my mama's aa few extra meals a day when nursing and make sure that one of them is whelping pudding mixed with her other food. i don't think you will have to worry too much about extra calcuim with only two babies. I know some breeders don't agree but I also give my girls about a tablespoon of cottage cheese once a day when they are nursing. Congratulations on your babies!!!!!!!

Ok, I just talked to the vet assistant. She said to wait a few days and see if she is discharging black/green or bloody in which case she still has them in her. I saw the first one after the first pup....but had to cut the cord on the other two and never saw placenta. Could she have passed them at night and ate them? She is perfectly clean down there. What happens if she gets the shot and there was no retained placenta?

Now, do I let momma eat as much as she wants? She scarfed down about three tbsp of whelping pudding, a whole scrambled egg and even a bit of her own food this morning when she left the box for the first time! How much of what do these nursing moms need?

Thanks so much. They both are up .1 of an ounce since during the night. I believe they are getting what they need as they never cry like they aren't. They are both nice and warm as mom choses to lay on the side that has the heating pad. I have a couple layers of blanket on top of the pad.

Anyway, do I wait it out and see if she discharges and then I know for sure that there is placenta in there still?

The pups are going thursday for tails and dewclaw.

I will have plenty of questions.

I did make a decision to get her fixed. Though she herself was in no danger....the stress she was under with the first pup being whisked away...she ran the house out of control from stress and confusion. I just love her too much to have a repeat of that. I told myself before I started this that if something went wrong....or she was under stress....then I would spay her. I love her too much to put her through that again. And frankly, I myself have learnt that I cannot witness something to that degree again....which takes me out breeding. I LOVED to do all the reading and learning and dont regret that for one minute. I will just be a cheerleader for others from here on out

I just love her too much.

[TammyJM]

I am sorry to read about the first puppy....but great news about your other precious boys! You did really really good....you handled that situation better than I would have, for sure!

Can't wait to see pictures of your new family members.

Tammy

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I am so sorry you lost the little boy. That happened to me once and my vet said it is just a freak occurence and no ones fault. Your mama needs the shot this morning. IF she does have retained placentas, it will help her expel them and prevent infection. As far as special diet, I just give my mama's aa few extra meals a day when nursing and make sure that one of them is whelping pudding mixed with her other food. i don't think you will have to worry too much about extra calcuim with only two babies. I know some breeders don't agree but I also give my girls about a tablespoon of cottage cheese once a day when they are nursing. Congratulations on your babies!!!!!!!

Agreed,

Shot should be given this morning; not only necessary for to help and eleminate placentia, dead tissue, getting her uterus back into shape, but assist in the let down of milk. Cottage Cheese, Cheese, Whelping pudding, yogurt....etc......I usually keep mom on a puppy food diet, feeding 4 or 5 meals a day. Calcium Tablet is probably not needed with 2 pups......but, for a natural source of calcium a scrammbled egg a day.....and sunshine for vitamin D to absorb the calcium. Watch mom for mastitis

The first 24 hours pups may just be obtaining colostrum from mom.....mother's milk will increase as pups gain strength and demand more from her......

If your pups are warm, fed and diapered....you will hear no crying......they are very content with just mom and each other.

Get CalSorb to keep on hand.....or Oral Cal Plus (better tasting) you can order from Revival.com

[bjh]

Congratulations on your new litter. Sorry to hear that you lost one.