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Old 08-14-2009, 05:11 PM   #1
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The vaccines I ordered from Rivival do not contain Corona. The vet recommends that on all the vaccines, but I know they also overvaccinate tiny puppies.

Does anyone know how dangerous it is for them not to be vaccinated against this?

Dr. Dodd's website does not recommend it, and they don't recommend one for Bordatella either. My vet will freak! LOL
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my 2 don't get corona or lepto. Matter of fact my vet doesn't give them to small breeds...It should be your decision whether or not you choose to have them get these vaccines. I would not get the lepto....they can have bad reactions to it. someone on here just posted about their furbaby having a reaction to the lepto.
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my 2 don't get corona or lepto. Matter of fact my vet doesn't give them to small breeds...It should be your decision whether or not you choose to have them get these vaccines. I would not get the lepto....they can have bad reactions to it. someone on here just posted about their furbaby having a reaction to the lepto.
Thanks. I had heard that about Lepto. A few years ago there was supposed to be a breakout around my area in Texas, so all the vets give it to all dogs, but I do know you have a choice as to get it or not.

That makes me feel better. I bought the vaccines to do it myself and they don't have it, so I think I won't freak out over it.

I just thought it was weird that the mail order ones don't have it, but all the vet ones do. $$$$$, I guess.
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Corona is not considered a "core" vaccine. According to all the over-vaccination experts, non-core vaccines should never be given as the risks associated with giving the vaccine are far greater than the risk of contraction/treating the disease - especially for toy breed dogs.

These same experts also advise not beginning puppy shots until at least 8 weeks of age (and recommend waiting till 10-12) weeks. Earlier than that, they are still protected by mom's antibodies and therefore the vaccination is not effective and basically just filling their body with poison. And rather than the pretty standard 4 rounds of puppy shots, only two rounds are really necessary.
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Corona is not considered a "core" vaccine. According to all the over-vaccination experts, non-core vaccines should never be given as the risks associated with giving the vaccine are far greater than the risk of contraction/treating the disease - especially for toy breed dogs.

These same experts also advise not beginning puppy shots until at least 8 weeks of age (and recommend waiting till 10-12) weeks. Earlier than that, they are still protected by mom's antibodies and therefore the vaccination is not effective and basically just filling their body with poison. And rather than the pretty standard 4 rounds of puppy shots, only two rounds are really necessary.

Thanks. I have seen that is is considered core by the vets, but we know that does not necessarily mean anything. I don't even know if they offer a vaccine without it, but the ones I bought don't have it, so I won't worry about it.

That's exactly what I have learned about early vaccines. Thanks again.
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Depending on the brand you choose you can get corana virus, on orders over the mail:

For years we have used DURAMUNE MAX 5 + CVK , that is the one with the corona.
If you order DURAMUNE MAX 5 alone it has no corona.

My vet no longer recommends corona, something changed over the last 2 years and i read something about it causing reactions. We have not talked about it yet.

He is trying to convince me to switch to the 'MERIAL" brand and i promised him next time i order i will be trying ... we have a loooonnnggg time client relationship and i should give him the credit . He feels that Merial is making better vaccines than the others and one of the reasons is that it causes less reactions. He mentioned to me that he does many ferrets and they seem to be more sensitive than yorkies and ever since he switched to the merial shots he has not seen any reactions.

Any ways , i am not advertising to anyone.

Which shots did you order?

I know there are so many choices . But some seem to be better than others, according to vets.

my past vet , who i only stopped using because i moved but i still call for advise, used to recommend the "Duramune" and we always had good experiences with it.

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This is taken from Dr Dodd's Vaccination Protocol

VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED

Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for
the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual
disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. Canine
Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self
limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell &
Texas A&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7
years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs.
Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions
in dogs. Most of the clinical cases oflepto reported in dogs in
the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and
bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and
ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection
is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies
less than 16 weeks.
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When i last worked as a tech for a general vet we didn't give the Corona vaccine to dogs under 20lbs because of the reaction it can cause. In my area i haven't seen any problems from not receiving the vaccine.

I don't give it to my dog, nor do i give Lepto (even tho there are cases of it around). Morgan doesn't get very many vaccines, period. its just not necessary.
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When i last worked as a tech for a general vet we didn't give the Corona vaccine to dogs under 20lbs because of the reaction it can cause. In my area i haven't seen any problems from not receiving the vaccine.

I don't give it to my dog, nor do i give Lepto (even tho there are cases of it around). Morgan doesn't get very many vaccines, period. its just not necessary.
There was recently a member her that lost her pup to Lepto. Even though I'm not an advocate of Lepto, if you live in an area that is prevelent, I strongly suggest that it be discussed with your vet. There are meds that can be administered should there be a reaction.
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There was recently a member her that lost her pup to Lepto. Even though I'm not an advocate of Lepto, if you live in an area that is prevelent, I strongly suggest that it be discussed with your vet. There are meds that can be administered should there be a reaction.
yes it should be discussed with your vet and a decision should be made based on the prevalence in your area and the amount of exposure your pet gets to the possible sources of lepto. If its determine that you need to get the vaccine for your pet then something can be given beforehand to counteract the possible reaction. I do have to say i rarely saw a serious reaction to the lepto (and rabies) vaccine.
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Depending on the brand you choose you can get corana virus, on orders over the mail:

For years we have used DURAMUNE MAX 5 + CVK , that is the one with the corona.
If you order DURAMUNE MAX 5 alone it has no corona.

My vet no longer recommends corona, something changed over the last 2 years and i read something about it causing reactions. We have not talked about it yet.

He is trying to convince me to switch to the 'MERIAL" brand and i promised him next time i order i will be trying ... we have a loooonnnggg time client relationship and i should give him the credit . He feels that Merial is making better vaccines than the others and one of the reasons is that it causes less reactions. He mentioned to me that he does many ferrets and they seem to be more sensitive than yorkies and ever since he switched to the merial shots he has not seen any reactions.

Any ways , i am not advertising to anyone.

Which shots did you order?

I know there are so many choices . But some seem to be better than others, according to vets.

my past vet , who i only stopped using because i moved but i still call for advise, used to recommend the "Duramune" and we always had good experiences with it.

XOXO

That's interesting about the ferrets. Our vet said our ferret only needed rabies...to which he had a reaction.

We ordered Univac 5 from Revival. I think all the Duramune packs (with and without Corona) came with a lot of doses and I only needed 6 of them.
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That's interesting about the ferrets. Our vet said our ferret only needed rabies...to which he had a reaction.

We ordered Univac 5 from Revival. I think all the Duramune packs (with and without Corona) came with a lot of doses and I only needed 6 of them.
I use Vanguard+5 from Revival, I think you can order them in single doses too. But you can get vaccines from a feed store to, if you have one close by.
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Hmmmm, this is interesting....


Texas Vet sues due to over vaccination of dogs and cats

There are several other related/similar articles.

Okay, one more:

http://www.critteradvocacy.org/Are%2...Our%20Pets.htm

Apparently, Bordatella isn't recommended either.

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Hmmmm, this is interesting....


Texas Vet sues due to over vaccination of dogs and cats

There are several other related/similar articles.

Okay, one more:

over vacc?

Apparently, Bordatella isn't recommended either.

My vet in Texas follows the Dr' Dodd Vaccination Protocol

As far as Bordatella, I prefer it as my dogs are show dogs and in environments where they can contract it. There is a new virus that is on the spread.

By Dagny Salas
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, August 15, 2009

Fairfax County authorities on Friday publicly confirmed at least six cases of the H3N8 virus, or canine influenza, in dogs, one of them fatal -- the first identified cases in the state.
The Fairfax County Animal Shelter shut down its kennel last week, quarantining about 26 dogs with suspected symptoms, said shelter director Karen Diviney. New dogs brought to the shelter are being held in a separate area.
Humans cannot contract the virus, commonly referred to as "dog flu," but dogs can easily catch it from each other, especially in close quarters, and it can be spread to dogs from humans who have come into contact with infected animals, officials said.
Owners are being encouraged to follow the same precautions as with strains of human influenza: Wash your hands, and do not panic.
"It's a situation where we do need to alert the public. Now it's out there, and people need to look for symptoms," said Lucy Caldwell, Fairfax police spokeswoman.
Symptoms include sneezing, lethargy, loss of appetite, coughing and wheezing, said Wanda Pool, a veterinarian at Deepwood Veterinary Clinic in Centreville. If a dog is showing these symptoms, owners are urged to contact their veterinarians for testing and possible vaccination.
The incubation period is 48 hours, meaning the virus can live on hard surfaces, hair and fabric, Pool said, adding that about 20 percent of infected dogs will not show symptoms.
Pool said about 11 dogs at Deepwood, which runs a boarding kennel as well as the veterinary clinic, suddenly came down with coughs in late July, which was unusual. Nasal swabs were taken and sent out to a lab, which confirmed canine flu in some of the cases. One of the dogs, a 15-year-old whippet owned by a clinic technician, died July 27 after contracting severe pneumonia, Pool said.
"Most dogs will be fine, just like in humans," Pool said. "A small percentage can't handle it and do get pneumonia, and it can get very severe."
The virus originated from a strain of equine influenza that mutated sometime in 2004. Since then, about 30 states have reported cases of dog flu, Pool said.
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There was recently a member her that lost her pup to Lepto. Even though I'm not an advocate of Lepto, if you live in an area that is prevelent, I strongly suggest that it be discussed with your vet. There are meds that can be administered should there be a reaction.
There is also a pre-vaccination regimen that can be followed for vaccines more prome to causing reactions.

It is my understanding that there are many types of lepto virus out there and the vaccine only covers a very few of the strains (much like a flu shot), so vaccinating does not necessarily prevent contraction of Lepto.
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