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04-19-2009, 06:56 PM | #1 |
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| Tri / Biewer Question For the record, I have no intention of breeding him especially since due to a dispute with the stud owner my Johnny Cash was never offered papers, but I have a question just for the sake of curiosity: Johnny Cash is now 2 1/2 years old and he still has a white patch of hair on his chest. I was told that if he would lose his white hair if he was a purebred yorkie and that if he still had the white later, he might be a 'carrier" of the gene (?, I'm not a breeder so sorry for my lack of terminology) that results in the tri or biewer breeds. Is this true? I'm not sure you can see it, but the lighter hair on his chest in this pic is actually white: The other picture is a pic of him on the day we brought him home. It's been a bit photoshopped, but it gives you an idea of his yorkie traits. ~ Kelly
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04-20-2009, 04:38 AM | #2 |
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| Many yorkie pups are born with a patch of white on their chest. If the patch of white is bigger than 1 inch as an adult then it would be considered a disqualification in the show ring. Most of the time the white patch is not noticeable once they are grown. As for him being a 'carrier', I think unless he has some parti or biewer bloodline behind him then he would not be a carrier. Actually the white patch he had as a pup does not look all that big. |
04-20-2009, 01:39 PM | #3 | |
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He's not really a puppy anymore. He's 2 1/2 years old. The pup pic is photoshopped and his hair is longer so the darker hair is growing over the white hair, so you can't really see it. The white has become more obvious as he's gotten older, with the covering from his breastbone up to his neck...on a 5lb dog, say a 1 3/4" W x 1 1/2" H patch. Again, I don't have his papers or his lineage, so I don't know if he has parti or Biewer in his bloodline. If I knew that, I probably wouldn't be asking. I'm just curious, because I'm such a fan of Biewers, if the white hair remaining as an adult signifies that he might have the parti-gene.
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04-20-2009, 02:24 PM | #4 |
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| I guess what I was trying to say is that many yorkies have white on their chest and they are not 'carriers' so without knowing his lineage there is no way of knowing if he could be a 'carrier'. Were his parents Yorkies or do you know? He looks yorkie. |
04-20-2009, 02:29 PM | #5 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member | Does he have ticking (freckles) on his body or in the roof of his mouth. That's the definitive sign of a carrier of the pie bald gene.
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04-20-2009, 02:43 PM | #6 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | I have a biewer splitter. As a baby she had two white back toes and white on her chin. she has kept these spots her whole life and she is now 3 years old. I don't have papers on her but i know her parents so i know for a fact that she is a splitter. i think its hard to say if yours is or isn't since you don't have papers on him. I think regular yorkies can retain their puppy white spot and its considered a fault. it means nothing for pet dogs, but like bjh said they shouldn't be bred and can't be shown. having that white patch doesn't mean that your yorkie isn't pure bred. However LOL it can mean he could be a carrier if there are past carriers or tri's in his lineage. sorry for giving the run around. there really is no clear answer to whether he is or isn't pure without papers and knowing the lineage. ALSO even if he does have a carrier in his lineage he is still a pure bred yorkie. the white is just a gene mutation much like the chocolate, red, and black colorings which are all not "standard" for the yorkie. Mine has a biewer mother and a yorkie father and i consider her a pure bred yorkie. biewers are yorkies with a piebald gene. its just a color difference like cocker spaniels
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04-20-2009, 02:44 PM | #7 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | mine is a splitter and she doesn't have these things? i've never heard this before. where did you find the information, i'd like to read it.
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04-20-2009, 02:58 PM | #8 | |
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Some more than others....such as Reggie's tummy is really freckled...Frazier's tummy not so much. A freckle on a front paw pad results in a dark nail vs the clear nails on the pink pads.
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04-20-2009, 03:01 PM | #9 | |
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interesting. i'll check it out.
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04-20-2009, 03:03 PM | #10 |
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04-20-2009, 03:13 PM | #11 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | well morgan wasn't too happy about standing under the desk light, but i see that she has pink outer gums and the roof is black. her inner cheeks are pink and black. i guess that's what you mean by ticking. i never thought anything of it. do regular yorkies have all pink inside?
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04-20-2009, 03:22 PM | #12 |
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| Thanks, this is all good info. I will check the roof of his mouth when I get home. All his toes are black and his nails are all black. His mother was definitely a yorkie and I'm told the sire was a purebred stud named Gucci in the southern Arizona area. (Maybe someone is familiar with that breeder?) In lieu of a stud fee, the studowner requested the pick of the litter's females. I can't recall if the circumstances were that the only female in the litter died or that there were no females, but in absence of a female the studowner demanded $1500 from the breeder. They couldn't come to an agreement so the studowner refused to issue the papers. ??? (I don't know how all that works...but the whole point is that I bought him without papers and have no lineage on him as a result. I don't really care...he's my "Man in Black" no matter what!) My only regret is that I didn't get his brother at the same time I got him. They were both offered and I had to pick one. Johnny Cash has such amazing personality and we always comment that we wish we had also gotten his brother at the same time. We just weren't sure, at the time, that we were ready for two more! I appreciate all the responses.
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