glenda beaver's pups?

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And why did you feel it necessary to respond to my post?

You are saying the fact that Glenda has admittedly supplied a pet store with puppies doesn't reflect on what kind of breeder she is and what great puppies she has. It is a reflection of her personally as a breeder, it's a matter of ethics. There is much more that goes into being an ethical, reputable breeder than just producing healthy, pretty pups!

I really don't understand how anyone can defend her actions. IMO, those that have come out in her defense really have no leg to stand on in the future when they tell others "don't buy from a pet store".

Why is it okay (according to some) that Glenda has shipped yorkies to a pet store and not okay for others to do the very same thing? Either it's the right thing to do, or not, you can't have it both ways!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jencar98

You are saying the fact that Glenda has admittedly supplied a pet store with puppies doesn't reflect on what kind of breeder she is and what great puppies she has. It is a reflection of her personally as a breeder, it's a matter of ethics. There is much more that goes into being an ethical, reputable breeder than just producing healthy, pretty pups!

I really don't understand how anyone can defend her actions. IMO, those that have come out in her defense really have no leg to stand on in the future when they tell others "don't buy from a pet store".
Why is it okay (according to some) that Glenda has shipped yorkies to a pet store and not okay for others to do the very same thing? Either it's the right thing to do, or not, you can't have it both ways!

I don't think I am defending her actions, I just don't see this action as harmful as some of you do. Perhaps some of you believe that a breeder shouldn't even be a friend with someone who owns of pet store, I found that some of my friends do have different values. Sometimes we bend our own values to help out a friend.

I will continue to ask people to not buy from pet stores and over the Internet because the majority of those dogs come from puppy mills, and that's one way to fight puppy mills, however, if all the dogs supplied to pet stores came from humane breeders, I wouldn't have a problem with pets being sold or ordered through pet stores, as long as certain conditions were meant. I also think pet stores should have the right to refuse certain customers, and that's my primary fault of pet stores. So few breeders really scrutinize customers, and this is something I wish more of them did.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I don't think I am defending her actions, I just don't see this action as harmful as some of you do. Perhaps some of you believe that a breeder shouldn't even be a friend with someone who owns of pet store, I found that some of my friends do have different values. Sometimes we bend our own values to help out a friend.

I will continue to ask people to not buy from pet stores and over the Internet because the majority of those dogs come from puppy mills, and that's one way to fight puppy mills, however, if all the dogs supplied to pet stores came from humane breeders, I wouldn't have a problem with pets being sold or ordered through pet stores, as long as certain conditions were meant. I also think pet stores should have the right to refuse certain customers, and that's my primary fault of pet stores. So few breeders really scrutinize customers, and this is something I wish more of them did.

I understand and do respect your opinion Nancy. It would be a great thing if all pet store puppies could be guaranteed to come from a reputable breeder....but until they do, I can't condone the practice. And, I know in general you speak out against it, and ordinarily would never condone it either.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by jencar98

I understand and do respect your opinion Nancy. It would be a great thing if all pet store puppies could be guaranteed to come from a reputable breeder....but until they do, I can't condone the practice. And, I know in general you speak out against it, and ordinarily would never condone it either.

I actually speak out against buying from a pet store, and the Internet. I don't condone selling to a pet store either, but only because a pet store doesn't turn down customers, and isn't looking for suitable homes in general. I don't know if this is true of all pet stores, but the fact that they are a business, would suggest that they don't refuse customers.

I just want to make it clear, I do not know this breeder, but I'm more amazed with all the threads discussing her that her actual breeding practices have never been criticized. This is my major concern, breeding practices. Some people seem to be suggesting, that I'm saying all this because of "who" she is, I don't know her except from these threads discussing her, I have looked at her website, and that's all. I would be saying the same thing about Joe Blow.

Here's a chart of a comparison of Traits of Responsible Breeders Traits of Backyard Breeders Lawrence County Humane Society Abuse and Adoption Center. It has responsible breeding traits listed on one side, backyard breeder traits listed on the other. Now some of you would look at the chart, and see it as black and white, if a person has one trait of a BYB, then they are a bad breeder. I look at the chart differently, and see it as a guideline in helping someone select the best breeder for them. I would not have even responded to this thread except, I sometimes feel that some people seem to have a personal vendetta against this particular breeder for some reason. So please do not misunderstand what I'm saying, I don't think it was right that she helped place or picked up dogs for a pet store, it is a black mark against her, and I would weigh it on my decision on whether or not to buy a dog from her. However, how many other breeders have been this carefully scrutinized? If we knew absolutely everything about them, would anyone be able to pass the test? If you tell me she breeds sick dogs or the dogs live in inhume conditions, I'll be right there saying "what a horrible breeder". So many people see the world in black and white, but the older I get, the more I see it, in shades of grey.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by jencar98

You are saying the fact that Glenda has admittedly supplied a pet store with puppies doesn't reflect on what kind of breeder she is and what great puppies she has. It is a reflection of her personally as a breeder, it's a matter of ethics. There is much more that goes into being an ethical, reputable breeder than just producing healthy, pretty pups!

I really don't understand how anyone can defend her actions. IMO, those that have come out in her defense really have no leg to stand on in the future when they tell others "don't buy from a pet store".

Why is it okay (according to some) that Glenda has shipped yorkies to a pet store and not okay for others to do the very same thing? Either it's the right thing to do, or not, you can't have it both ways!

Well, unfortunately , we do not have ALL THE FACTS about Glendas' PRIVATE business. Which, by the way, is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! I dont believe she is a broker and I dont believe she sold HER puppies to the pet store. Whether she was duped by her friends or she made a bad judgement call, we will never know the truth and it is still NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! But I am not about to throw a reputable breeder that gives 100% to her puppies and breeding program under the bus. I think that its pretty pathetic that some of the people on YT are sooooooooo quick to turn on a reputable breeder without knowing ALL the facts. Maybe you all should just call and ask her what she was doing. Get the facts from the person involved.

And still, none of this reflects on how great her puppies are. I think the op was asking about Glendas' puppies, hopefully with the intensions of getting a healthy puppy that the breeder would stand behind.

I am done with this thread. Heaven forbid that I ever make a judgement call that some of you perfect people dont agree with. I would be tarred and feathered and run out on a rail.

[Misti1]

Originally Posted by bildio

Maya is adorable. How old was she when you got her?

Maya was 13 weeks...Glenda made me wait until she was old enough to leave home, another responsible breeder move.

May was born in May and I could not come get her until late July. DUring the time in between we kept up by email and phone.

[Misti1]

The AKC Website or somewhere I went, had an extensive list of people to NOT buy from, or "puppymills" if you will. I saw this long list AFTER I had bought Maya from Glenda. When I got to the state of Oklahoma I was blown away by how many "bad" breeders were listed. Though it would have been "closing the barn door" AFTER the horse was out, I was relieved to see that Ms. Beavers is NOT and I repeat NOT on the "bad list", meaning that her business passes muster with the AKC....

[Nikki+2]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Well, unfortunately , we do not have ALL THE FACTS about Glendas' PRIVATE business. Which, by the way, is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! I dont believe she is a broker and I dont believe she sold HER puppies to the pet store. Whether she was duped by her friends or she made a bad judgement call, we will never know the truth and it is still NONE OF OUR BUSINESS! But I am not about to throw a reputable breeder that gives 100% to her puppies and breeding program under the bus. I think that its pretty pathetic that some of the people on YT are sooooooooo quick to turn on a reputable breeder without knowing ALL the facts. Maybe you all should just call and ask her what she was doing. Get the facts from the person involved.

And still, none of this reflects on how great her puppies are. I think the op was asking about Glendas' puppies, hopefully with the intensions of getting a healthy puppy that the breeder would stand behind.

I am done with this thread. Heaven forbid that I ever make a judgement call that some of you perfect people dont agree with. I would be tarred and feathered and run out on a rail.

Well we actually do have all of the facts that Glenda herself posted. If we are to believe the words that she herself typed she was not duped as you keep suggesting and she did it on multiple occasions as a favor to a friend.

She has already posted the story that she chose to. There is no reason to continue to come up with hypothetical scenarios.

From everything I've ever heard of her breeding program I have no reason to believe it is anything less than amazing. Her dogs are truly some of the most beautiful I've ever seen. The fact is we all have a right to what kind of person or business we will support. Some might think her decision to ship puppies to a pet store does not reflect poorly on her and some will think that decision makes her the type of person that they do not want to support.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Nikki+2

Well we actually do have all of the facts that Glenda herself posted. If we are to believe the words that she herself typed she was not duped as you keep suggesting and she did it on multiple occasions as a favor to a friend.

She has already posted the story that she chose to. There is no reason to continue to come up with hypothetical scenarios.

From everything I've ever heard of her breeding program I have no reason to believe it is anything less than amazing. Her dogs are truly some of the most beautiful I've ever seen. The fact is we all have a right to what kind of person or business we will support. Some might think her decision to ship puppies to a pet store does not reflect poorly on her and some will think that decision makes her the type of person that they do not want to support.

THANK YOU!!

And with that and the following in mind, hopefully I will be finished with this thread.

God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

[cj125]

One point not mentioned is that GB, at any time, could have given her friend the information about the pet store (and visa versa) and kept her self out of this situation all together.... she chose not to.

It's not like his happened 10 years ago - it was just in 2007.

And if I remember correctly, the yorkie puppies that she shipped (whether they were hers or not) all weighed under 2 lbs... very sad!

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Misti1

Maya was 13 weeks...Glenda made me wait until she was old enough to leave home, another responsible breeder move.

May was born in May and I could not come get her until late July. DUring the time in between we kept up by email and phone.

May 1st to July 31 is 13 weeks. So, you're saying she was born May 1st and you didnt' get her until the 31st? That's the only way she would have been 13 weeks

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by cj125

One point not mentioned is that GB, at any time, could have given her friend the information about the pet store (and visa versa) and kept her self out of this situation all together.... she chose not to.

It's not like his happened 10 years ago - it was just in 2007.

And if I remember correctly, the yorkie puppies that she shipped (whether they were hers or not) all weighed under 2 lbs... very sad!

Also under 8 weeks if I remember correctly

[Misti1]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

May 1st to July 31 is 13 weeks. So, you're saying she was born May 1st and you didnt' get her until the 31st? That's the only way she would have been 13 weeks

You have one serious ax to grind don't you....I was dying to get her, but I had to wait until she was well old enough to leave home.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Also under 8 weeks if I remember correctly

Vet inspection certificate shows 11 weeks.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by cj125

One point not mentioned is that GB, at any time, could have given her friend the information about the pet store (and visa versa) and kept her self out of this situation all together.... she chose not to.

It's not like his happened 10 years ago - it was just in 2007.

And if I remember correctly, the yorkie puppies that she shipped (whether they were hers or not) all weighed under 2 lbs... very sad!

I'm sorry - that was incorrect. The puppies weighed that at the time of their vet exam - not when they were shipped.