Anyone know about Still Kennels?

[WalnutHill]

Originally Posted by omichka

Before you chose a breeder please do your homework what responsible breeder is and its code of ethic. Just google "back yard breeder vs responsible breeder"

Below a few tips:

- reputable breeder will not sell yorkie earlier that 10 weeks. Run from a breeder who sell a pup at age less that 8 weeks. It is illegal to sell puppies younger that 8 weeks.
- reputable breeder will never ever sell puppies to a third party (broker/pet store)
- reputable breeder will try to avoid shipping and try to find a local buyer.
- reputable breeder must show at least one parent. If a breeder doesn't show the parents of puppy, this is huge RED FLAG of puppy mill.
- reputable breeder must give you a guarantee. And WITHOUT frase "no money back, only replacement a puppy". Too many sad stories when BYB sell sick puppies and no one pay a vet bills, even if pup died. Just think - do you really want to replace for another defective puppy from a BYB? Protect yorself - discuss about possible vet bills in a case of sick puppy.
- PLEASE READ STANDARD. (When I was looking for a pup, I was told that yorkie standard is 10-12 pounds). There are a few quality of yorkies (pet/show), and some breeders charge way too much money for a POOR BREED pup (fluffy coat, disproportional body, oversize, etc)
- NO such a thing as tea cup or whatever. Those word people love to use as marketing words. There is ONLY one standard: not exceed 7 pounds ! Period.
RUN from a breeder who breed too tiny yorkies less that 3 + pounds. Either run from a breeder who breed out of standard yorkies.
- Reputable breeder ALWAYS sells pet quality puppies with limited registration (spay/neuter)
- Reputable breeder must do genetic tests (for instance, luxating patellas). Those, who have any of genetic desease CANNOT be used for breeding. Run from a breeder who breed sick dog. ALWAYS ask for approval of genetic tests. Protect yorself. Luxating patella surgery is very expensive.
- Reputable breeder tries to find a best home for puppy and always will ask many questions.
- Reputable breeder does not breed more that one breed. Two are acceptable, more is definitely a puppy mill.
- Reputable breeder does not have puppies all the time and has a waiting list. According some definitions, if breeder has more that 3 litters in a year, it considers as a puppy mill.
- reputable breeder will not sell yorkie to a family with small children - yorkies are too fragile and not good match with small children.

Check references, call to AKC, etc. before you buy a puppy.

What you are talking about would happen in a perfect world where regular families could afford to buy a Yorkie from a top quality show breeder. The truth is, people want Yorkies, and they can't afford a good quality Yorkie, so they save up $400 and buy from a BYB or Mill online, thinking it's a reputable breeder that just has cheap puppies, and people are more than happy to do it.

[PRESTINSMOMMY]

FIRST OF ALL I AM NOT HER DAUGHTER. SECOND I KNOW WHAT HER KENNELS LOOK LIKE BECAUSE SHE SENT ME PICTURE,I TOLD YOU WE GOT TO BE EMAIL FRIENDS BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF MY PUPPY THAT WAS BORN FROM HER FEMALE BIILY JOE. ALSO ON HER FIRST WEB SITE IT SHOWED THE CAGES AND SLOPING ROOFS. AGAIN NO ANIAMAL ABUSE. AND BY THE WAY YORKES IN FL ARE NOT 400-TRY MORE LIKE 850-1500. NOW i HAVE TWO YORKIES FROM A LOCAL BREEDER. MY MALE WHICH CAME HIGHLY RECOMENDED IS 2 YEARS OLD AND IS AT STAGE ONE OF KNEE CAP PROBLEMS. SO EVEN THE "GOOD BREEDERS" HAVE PRBLEMS IN THEIR LINE.

[PRESTINSMOMMY]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

I talked to her I had just lost my father and their response was oh well we all lose family and you can either bring the dog back or live with the problems

SO WHAT DID YOU WANT FROM HER-SHE OFFERED TO TAKE YOUR DOG BACK-THAT IS ALL SHE COULD DO FOR YOU AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A FAIR DEAL TO ME. wHEN i TOLD HER ABOUT MY LOSS AT PETLAND I DID NOT ASK HER FOR ANYTHING AND SHE DID NOT OFFER ANOTHER PUP.WHEN YOU BREED DOGS THERE ARE ALWAYS LOSSES THATS LIFE. IF IT WAS NOT FOR "BACKYARD BREEDERS OR PUPPY MILLS' WHERE DO THINK YOU COULD GET YOUR CUTE LITTLE PUPS FROM? THE DOG FAIRY. ALSO i AM NOT A TROLL-JUST A FRIEND OF gLORIA.

[Lolasmom1211]

I sure don't want to get in the middle of this argument...I just wanted to say that I just went to her website. Oh my goodness, when you click on Yorkies, the two pictures of the Yorkies that she has available tells the whole story. It makes me very, very sad. I can see how anyone would feel the need to rescue or save these poor babies.

If the pictures of the "sheds" are where these babies are raised, I can't imagine anyone trying to defend what these people are doing. As I look down at my two little ones, fast asleep in their little beds next to me, it makes me want to cry for those babies that will never know the warmth of someone's kiss goodnight. Shame on them....

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by WalnutHill

What you are talking about would happen in a perfect world where regular families could afford to buy a Yorkie from a top quality show breeder. The truth is, people want Yorkies, and they can't afford a good quality Yorkie, so they save up $400 and buy from a BYB or Mill online, thinking it's a reputable breeder that just has cheap puppies, and people are more than happy to do it.

ok here is something else to consider. I am a show breeder. When I sell a pet puppy I don't always ask a lot of money.
However, a potential pet buyer specifically looking for a cheap yorkie is a huge red flag for me. Why? Well, bets are that if something happens they are not going to be able to afford a Vet bill or don't want to pay a big Vet bill or want to surrender it because it ends up costing way more to own and care properly for one than what they paid buying one cheap.
I sold a pup about 7 years ago didn't ask a lot of money but felt very confident with the buyers and their dog ownership history. Two weeks after they got him he jumped off the side of a chair broke a front leg. My instincts were right, they had him properly vetted and leg fixed to the tune of $2000.

[Brooklynn]

Why is anyone even responding to this stuff? If you know it's a puppymill and or BYB and someone is defending it then there is no use arguing with someone that can't see the truth and who is blind....

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[WalnutHill]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

ok here is something else to consider. I am a show breeder. When I sell a pet puppy I don't always ask a lot of money.
However, a potential pet buyer specifically looking for a cheap yorkie is a huge red flag for me.

I am the same way about the "red flags".

I have been contacted a few times by people whose first question is "how much are they" or "do you have any puppies under $300?" I have had people justsay, "I want a cheap or free Yorkie, can you help me?" I always point them to local Yorkie rescues and move on.

BUT - people like that are easy prey for a Miller - it's like buying a new pair of shoes or something.

[PRESTINSMOMMY]

HEY WALNUT HILS BREEDER. YOU SOUND LIKE A PUPPY MILL-JUST WENT ON YOUR SITE. YOU BRRED DOGS SO YOU CAN STAY AT HOME,JUST LIKE GLORIAS DAUGHTER. YOUR DOGS ARE ACA REG MOST PUPPY MILLS USE THAT REGESTERY. BECAUSE AKC ONLY LETS THE MALE STUD OUT 6 LITTERS IN HIS LIFE TIME OR 3 IN ONE YEAR. YOU ALSO DO NOT SHOW ON YOU WEBSITE THE ADULT BREEDER DOGS YOU HAVE. HMMM...........SEEMS FISHY TO ME

[zorrolinchen]

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY

ONE MORE THING INLINE BREEDING ( BROTHER SISTER) sire AND DAUGHTER IS DONE TO BRING OUT THE BEST TRAITS IN THAT BLOODLINE. iT IS DONE BY ALOT OF CHAMPION SHOW DOGS. OUTLINE BREEDING ( 2 UNREALTED DOGS) IS ALSO DONE BUT ITS A POP SHOT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET SHOWLINE DOGS. READ UP ON BREEDING AND INBREEDING IS EXCEPTED AND DONE.

NO. A BIG HUGE NO! It is right that breeders use inline breeding to look whats in the lines, not only for show potential - for genetic and health too. BUT NO RESPONSIBLE BREEDER breed brother and sister!!! Only father to daughter and mother to son but never brother/sister because the informed experienced and responsible breeder knows that a brother to sister litter brings too small pups with a great disposition for genetic issues! Because the genes are too much similarly!
And you can believe me I know what I´m saying - I have raised and shown persian cats for over 15 years.
So tell us here no nonsense about breeding!!!!!!!!!!

And an inbreeding is not done permanently from the responsible breeder, he makes this only once or twice and then he use an outcrossing!

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

ok here is something else to consider. I am a show breeder. When I sell a pet puppy I don't always ask a lot of money.
However, a potential pet buyer specifically looking for a cheap yorkie is a huge red flag for me. Why? Well, bets are that if something happens they are not going to be able to afford a Vet bill or don't want to pay a big Vet bill or want to surrender it because it ends up costing way more to own and care properly for one than what they paid buying one cheap.
I sold a pup about 7 years ago didn't ask a lot of money but felt very confident with the buyers and their dog ownership history. Two weeks after they got him he jumped off the side of a chair broke a front leg. My instincts were right, they had him properly vetted and leg fixed to the tune of $2000.

I wasnt looking for a "cheap" yorkie or any puppy for that matter. My DH knew I was in bad emotional shape and found the little guy and wanted to get him for me so not knowing anything about them or other yorkie breeders for that matter we went to look at him. Like I said we had always had Poms in the past but I had mentioned after our last one passed that I might like a yorkie later. Anyway, we have him now and love him dearly and he gets the very best of care including vet care. We are on a fixed income as retiree's but he gets medical attention before we do lol. To us he is not just an animal he is like one of our children. If it does happen to come up that he needs expensive care I would even put it on a credit card if need be. All that being said I do not understand why this person who even said her puppy died of parvo that she got from these people wants to defend them.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by zorrolinchen

NO. A BIG HUGE NO! It is right that breeders use inline breeding to look whats in the lines, not only for show potential - for genetic and health too. BUT NO RESPONSIBLE BREEDER breed brother and sister!!! Only father to daughter and mother to son but never brother/sister because the informed experienced and responsible breeder knows that a brother to sister litter brings too small pups with a great disposition for genetic issues! Because the genes are too much similarly!
And you can believe me I know what I´m saying - I have raised and shown persian cats for over 15 years.
So tell us here no nonsense about breeding!!!!!!!!!!

And a inbreeding is not done permanently from the responsible breeder, he makes this only once or twice and then he use an outcrossing!

Thank you!!!!This is exactly what I told the Stills when I called after getting Laddy's Pedigree and why I was so upset over being mislead. And I care enough about him I would never ever put him back in the care of such careless people.

[WalnutHill]

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY

HEY WALNUT HILS BREEDER. YOU SOUND LIKE A PUPPY MILL-JUST WENT ON YOUR SITE. YOU BRRED DOGS SO YOU CAN STAY AT HOME,JUST LIKE GLORIAS DAUGHTER. YOUR DOGS ARE ACA REG MOST PUPPY MILLS USE THAT REGESTERY. BECAUSE AKC ONLY LETS THE MALE STUD OUT 6 LITTERS IN HIS LIFE TIME OR 3 IN ONE YEAR. YOU ALSO DO NOT SHOW ON YOU WEBSITE THE ADULT BREEDER DOGS YOU HAVE. HMMM...........SEEMS FISHY TO ME

Our males are DNA profiled with the AKC, as required by the "frequently used sires" program. If you had been on here long enough to know, I post pics of our adults sometimes, and I email them whenever anyone asks. Plus, people can come see them if they like.

Someone has to be with the dogs here full time - it's a lot of work to keep a clean, organized kennel, keep proper records, train and socialize puppies, etc. My husband makes a large income, I didn't go back to work because I didn't want the stress of all of it after having our second child. But, I wanted to do something to keep my mind working (I didn't get a Master's degree for nothing, LOL).

We have one male that is ACA registered. Unfortunatlety, the breeder we got him from was not honest with us about his papers, and when we sent in his AKC registration, the litter had been cancelled. But, he has an excellent temperment, and so we still occasionally breed him - plus, his puppies are absolutely georgeous!

[zorrolinchen]

Originally Posted by msjagg

Everytime we post that some one is a BYB or a Puppy Miller have you noticed that someone just happens to join and post 1 or 2 times and defends that Puppy Miller and what terrible things they do to puppies! Then when they get everyone all heated up, They drop out?? These people are not God Fearing people, If they were they would cherish life and not allow dogs to be inbred and kept in horrible conditions. They would cherish the Breeds that they're breeding.In 10 years or so they will no longer be up to standard. They're going to ruin those breeds that have been around for centuries and all the hard work the Good Breeders have put into them will be for naught!! Their lifes work gone, Why?? Because these "God Fearing" people had to make a "Living" by destroying them!! We all know they;re Puppy Mills and they have alot of complaints about them. That's the evidence, good and hard and down on paper!! We will keep telling everyone to not buy from these people and people like them as well as Pet Stores and Puppy brokers until there are no more PUPPY MILLERS LEFT!! Because no living creature should be kept in a 2ft.x2ft. cage all their lives except the PMer's for punishment for what they have done to these poor, defenseless animals!! That's more than they deserve... Thanks for letting me vent and spend my two cents worth... Blessings to all the poor dogs that have the unfortunate fate to fall into the hands of these despicable people!!

Very good post! How can someone think that a dog should stay in a cage?????

[PRESTINSMOMMY]

Originally Posted by zorrolinchen

- I have raised and shown persian cats for over 15 years.
So tell us here no nonsense about breeding!!!!!!!!!!

And an inbreeding is not done permanently from the responsible breeder, he makes this only once or twice and then he use an outcrossing!

REALLY i LOVE PERSIANS WHEN DO THE FEMALES HAVE THEIR FIRST HEAT? ARE THEY LATER THAN DOMESTIC CATS? NO i DO NOT HAVE CATS AND DO NOT BREED THEM . I JUST LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT PERSIANS THANKS

[zorrolinchen]

Originally Posted by nanahas3

Thank you!!!!This is exactly what I told the Stills when I called after getting Laddy's Pedigree and why I was so upset over being mislead. And I care enough about him I would never ever put him back in the care of such careless people.

I´m glad that you love your puppy so much.
I´m a quiet and friendly person but when I read such a nonsense about breeding from a person who thinks she must attack other Breeders (like WalnutHill) I will be very angry. Every breeder who takes care of his dogs and feels responsible for them knows that this is absolutely stupid!