Anyone know about Still Kennels?

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY

2 years ago I bought 2 chihuahuas from petland total cost of the pups were 3,000..I did not know at that time that all the ups were from puppy mills. they got sick the next day I rused them to the vet. they had provo and distemper to save them the total vet bill was 6,000. they both died. I found out one of the pups was from Still Kennels. So I called Still kennels and spoke to Gloria. She was very nice, I also sent her the Picture of her very sick puppy I bought. Since then we email eachother and became email friends. She is really not a bad person. taking care of that many dogs is alot of work and thier income. She really helped me when I welped my first litter of yorkes. She knows alot about breeding and welping dogs. Not all her dogs are sick. sometimes in transport they get sick and being with other puppies weakens thier immune system. Now do not get me wrong-I do not support puppy mills. But when it comes down to it she is a wonderful and caring person.

Ok I am really confused. Still Kennels sells to Petland pet store where everyone knows they get their dogs from puppymills and these suppliers have no idea what happens to their puppies once they leave nor do they know anything about the possible homes they get or if the person buying them from the pet store knows anything about their care.
If you watch the videos of these poor souls how they are raised and transported to these pet stores of course in transport they get sick and I would like to see the statistics of how many die enroute. You also said "taking care of that many dogs is alot of work and thier income. "
So which part of this scenario makes Still Kennels a wonderful and caring person not only earning a living off the backs of some little dogs but also churning out so many they are sold by the truckload?
Trust me, none of my dogs or puppies would ever be trucked to a pet store or anywhere else or flown anywhere or sold off a website.

[Lorraine]

This was a Canadian Broadcast a couple of weeks ago about How Not TO Buy A Puppy.
How Not to Buy a Puppy | CBC News: Marketplace

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY

2 years ago I bought 2 chihuahuas from petland total cost of the pups were 3,000..I did not know at that time that all the ups were from puppy mills. they got sick the next day I rused them to the vet. they had provo and distemper to save them the total vet bill was 6,000. they both died. I found out one of the pups was from Still Kennels. So I called Still kennels and spoke to Gloria. She was very nice, I also sent her the Picture of her very sick puppy I bought. Since then we email eachother and became email friends. She is really not a bad person. taking care of that many dogs is alot of work and thier income. She really helped me when I welped my first litter of yorkes. She knows alot about breeding and welping dogs. Not all her dogs are sick. sometimes in transport they get sick and being with other puppies weakens thier immune system. Now do not get me wrong-I do not support puppy mills. But when it comes down to it she is a wonderful and caring person.

I dont know if you have ever been to this kennel but wonderful person or not, (and I am not saying she isn't) Doesnt change the fact that they have 5 breeds of dogs and many sires and dams and many many litters at a time. They sell to pet stores. and they practice inbreeding. My puppy to my horror was the product of breeding a brother and sister. If you read my past post on this thread you will see my experience.

[nanahas3]

By the way I find it very very odd that the only positive posts on this KENNEL come from people with only 1 or two other posts. I am going to look at my posts on this kennel and see if their other replys were to those. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[PRESTINSMOMMY]

I AM A HOBBY BREEDER. AND DO NOT BREED BROTHER AND SISTERS. BUT I DO BREED 4 DIFFERENT BREEDS OF DOGS. MY DOGS ARE INSIDE DOGS 3 OF MY GERMAN SHEPHERDS SLEEP ON MY BED. THEY HAVE FREE RUN OF THE HOUSE AND ARE BREED TO A.K.C. STANDERDS. iF YOU GOT TO KNOW GLORIA SHE REALLY IS A GOOD AND CARING PERSON. WHAT SHE IS DOING IS JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING. PEOPLE THAT BUY FROM PET STORES ARE THE ONES SUPORTING THE PUPPY MILLS. AND NO I AM NOT GLORIA LIKE SOMEONE THOUGHT ON THE LAST POST. ALSO SHE IS NOT IN HER 60'S SHE IS 56. SHE MAY LOOK OLDER DUE TO A HARD LIFE. BELIEVE ME RAISING AND SELLING DOGS IS A FULL TIME JOB. AND YES SHE SELLS THEM TO A BROKER. SHE TRYS THE WEB SITE FIRST WHAT DOES NOT GET SOLD GO'S TO PETLAND BY BROKER. THE BROKER AND PETLAND ARE WHO REALLY MAKES THE MONEY OFF THE PUPS. iF YOUR DOG WAS SICK YOU SHOULD HAVE CALLED HER AND TOLD HER. SHE DOES GIVE YOU A 1 YEAR WARRENTY ON THE DOGS. AGAIN I DO NOT SURPORT THE MILLS. i DO SUPORT GLORIA. SHE IS A GOOD GOD FEARING WOMAN

[Lorraine]

i also consider myself a God fearing woman but I work for a living to support me and my dogs. I don't look to dogs to support me or even support themselves, that's my job to support us.
I would live in absolute shame if I even thought of using dog selling and breeding to make a living. There are many honest jobs out there but it requires hard work.

[msjagg]

Everytime we post that some one is a BYB or a Puppy Miller have you noticed that someone just happens to join and post 1 or 2 times and defends that Puppy Miller and what terrible things they do to puppies! Then when they get everyone all heated up, They drop out?? These people are not God Fearing people, If they were they would cherish life and not allow dogs to be inbred and kept in horrible conditions. They would cherish the Breeds that they're breeding.In 10 years or so they will no longer be up to standard. They're going to ruin those breeds that have been around for centuries and all the hard work the Good Breeders have put into them will be for naught!! Their lifes work gone, Why?? Because these "God Fearing" people had to make a "Living" by destroying them!! We all know they;re Puppy Mills and they have alot of complaints about them. That's the evidence, good and hard and down on paper!! We will keep telling everyone to not buy from these people and people like them as well as Pet Stores and Puppy brokers until there are no more PUPPY MILLERS LEFT!! Because no living creature should be kept in a 2ft.x2ft. cage all their lives except the PMer's for punishment for what they have done to these poor, defenseless animals!! That's more than they deserve... Thanks for letting me vent and spend my two cents worth... Blessings to all the poor dogs that have the unfortunate fate to fall into the hands of these despicable people!!

[nanahas3]

As for Gloria being a God fearing woman. I am a Christian and have been all my life but this woman and her children made horrible comments to me in emails when I tried to discuss this all with her like that I had to be a child of satan etc. That is not God fearing!!!!! I had just lost my father whom I cared for while he was ill to dementia. My husband bought me the puppy to try to bring me out of a bad state of depression and this is the responses I got from her and her grown children. And my husband had told them my circumstances. So if she is God fearing she needs to repent.

[julietimothy]

Stop buying puppies for over the net, you always need to go to the puppy's home and see how they are raised and cared for. Any good breed will let you in there home and show you all their dogs. (not just puppies) It is a red flag when they want. And some time bad breeders that do not think they are doing anything wrong will let you come to their home, but then you can walk away. Don't buy and puppy thinking you are saving it, you are just help the bad breeder out. Just rule is see the kennel for your self!!! I am sorry you went though this but is it BBW.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by julietimothy

Stop buying puppies for over the net, you always need to go to the puppy's home and see how they are raised and cared for. Any good breed will let you in there home and show you all their dogs. (not just puppies) It is a red flag when they want. And some time bad breeders that do not think they are doing anything wrong will let you come to their home, but then you can walk away. Don't buy and puppy thinking you are saving it, you are just help the bad breeder out. Just rule is see the kennel for your self!!! I am sorry you went though this but is it BBW.

First of all when we bought our puppy I had no idea about puppy mills he was our first other than our two Pomeranians in the past who we bought from a lady we knew well who raised them for show. So when I saw the conditions he was in I felt I was rescuing him. Second I love him to pieces and am not sorry I have him but since getting Laddy I found YT and became informed on puppymills etc. So now I will do my part as little as it may be to stop others from supporting this breeder and others like them. 3rd I did see the kennel. It was deplorable and the condition our puppy was in was also. I could not leave the little guy and if had had the resources would of brought them all home with me. But as I said I knew nothing about puppymills at the time and didnt think of anything except getting him away from those conditions.

[PRESTINSMOMMY]

I need to let all of you know that Still kennels is u.s.d.a. and has permit. she does get her kennels checked she only had a few volations cited to her. the cages are up to code. You can check all this online. to those of you that bought from her have that info on the papers the pet store gave it to you.It is also on public record.maybe you were rude to her there are always 2 side to every story. also her grown daughter is a breeder-due to the fact she has 3 kids and her husband lost his job. the ecnomy is bad right now and it is very hard to find jobs. Mo is all farms and land and it is the capital of puppy millling-that will not change. You should be more concerned with Lancaster Pa- the armish are really milling and the dogs are really abused.

[PRESTINSMOMMY]

ONE MORE THING INLINE BREEDING ( BROTHER SISTER) sire AND DAUGHTER IS DONE TO BRING OUT THE BEST TRAITS IN THAT BLOODLINE. iT IS DONE BY ALOT OF CHAMPION SHOW DOGS. OUTLINE BREEDING ( 2 UNREALTED DOGS) IS ALSO DONE BUT ITS A POP SHOT IF YOU ARE GOING TO GET SHOWLINE DOGS. READ UP ON BREEDING AND INBREEDING IS EXCEPTED AND DONE.

[daisy mae06]

HelpingAnimals.com // Help An Animal // Factsheets // Puppy Mills: Dogs Abused for the Pet Trade

Inadequate Inspections
The USDA is supposed to monitor and inspect kennels to ensure that they are not violating the housing standards of the Animal Welfare Act, but kennel inspections are a low priority. In the U.S., there are more than 1,000 research facilities, more than 2,800 exhibitors, and 4,500 dealers that are supposed to be inspected each year.(19)
There are three APHIS sector offices with a total of approximately 70 veterinary inspectors who are supposed to inspect, unannounced, the various types of facilities covered by the AWA.(20)
This means that 70 inspectors have to cover more than 8,300 facilities nationwide.
Puppy mills are rarely monitored by state governments, and existing regulations vary from state to state. In Missouri, for instance, each of the 2,100 facilities is supposed to be inspected once a year, but there are only 12 inspectors employed to handle the task.(21) Even with an estimated 1,300 puppy mills in Wisconsin, inspections of breeder facilities that sell at least 50 dogs and cats are voluntary, and there is no funding for enforcement of these regulations.(22,23)


Puppy Mills - Missouri State Auditor reports

According to the audit, the Department of Agriculture is not meeting its statutory responsibility to inspect annually all of the licensed commercial pet breeders in Missouri. In 2006, the audit revealed that the department failed to inspect 40% of the known licensed commercial breeders. Approximately 1,100 commercial breeders were not inspected that year. This number does not reflect the many pet breeding facilities in Missouri that are unlicensed and currently evading proper registration.

[Cares4Dogs]

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY

I need to let all of you know that Still kennels is u.s.d.a. and has permit. she does get her kennels checked she only had a few volations cited to her. the cages are up to code. You can check all this online. to those of you that bought from her have that info on the papers the pet store gave it to you.It is also on public record.maybe you were rude to her there are always 2 side to every story. also her grown daughter is a breeder-due to the fact she has 3 kids and her husband lost his job. the ecnomy is bad right now and it is very hard to find jobs. Mo is all farms and land and it is the capital of puppy millling-that will not change. You should be more concerned with Lancaster Pa- the armish are really milling and the dogs are really abused.

Oh "only had a few violations cited"......are you kidding me??? Shouldn't it only take 1....???? 1 is bad enuff, but a FEW????? she obviously is only providing the most minimal care to her dogs.

Secondly, if her daughter is using these dogs as breeders for income because of financial hardship.....how can she afford the expensive vet care??? vaccinations??? quality dog food ???? adequate shelter ?????

How can anyone defend this?????

how on earth can someone defend a puppy mill That is sooooo pathetic. Dogs belong at the foot of your bed or lying close to a fireplace on a cold night COZY.....HEALTHY...HAPPY....FULL TUMMY with loving human interaction NOT caged, cold, sickly, hungry and neglected.

[nanahas3]

Originally Posted by PRESTINSMOMMY

I need to let all of you know that Still kennels is u.s.d.a. and has permit. she does get her kennels checked she only had a few volations cited to her. the cages are up to code. You can check all this online. to those of you that bought from her have that info on the papers the pet store gave it to you.It is also on public record.maybe you were rude to her there are always 2 side to every story. also her grown daughter is a breeder-due to the fact she has 3 kids and her husband lost his job. the ecnomy is bad right now and it is very hard to find jobs. Mo is all farms and land and it is the capital of puppy millling-that will not change. You should be more concerned with Lancaster Pa- the armish are really milling and the dogs are really abused.

I was never rude to her and you know what you sound just like the DAUGHTER lol. Imagine that. And they claimed that the inbreeding was an accident. You dont breed dogs for 20 years and accidently breed a brother and sister. As far as jobs I live in Missouri and my husband and I both retired and my husband went right out and found another job. Jobs are available for those willing to work. These people raise these animals like livestock. I was crying when I talked to her I had just lost my father and their response was oh well we all lose family and you can either bring the dog back or live with the problems. I had had my puppy for over a month by then and loved him. This will be my last response to you because just looked over my emails from their daughter and I would bet money on it that this is herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Oh and btw how would you know what her cages are like you claim to have bought your puppies from petland in another state. Sounds fishier all the time. I think we have a troll here