I have her book.

She may very well have been on the committee to get the color DQd but she also told the AKC that she had more parti puppies than Nikko kennels ever had.

Just because she felt the color should be DQd does not mean that her dogs never produced them.

REALLY??? More :confused::confused::confused:

Perhaps if you contacted the AKC you would get that information also. Or are you afraid to?

No I do not agree with the YTCA disqualifying a color that is a natural part of the yorkie makeup.

anyone who reads what I wrote will understand that my objection is to breeders who breed health issues into the breed. As far as I know that is not happening with the yorkies.

So what point were you attempting to make?

And what secrets are you referring to? We have never kept any secrets. I have nothing to keep secret.

I have said all along that there are parti breeders that are selling dogs that are not pure breds. I know there are disreputable parti breeders. But not all of us are in it for the money. In fact all of the ones that I am closely aquainted with are struggling to pay their bills just like I am.

We just want to be left alone to develope the parti colored yorkies nd let te world see them.

Many many other breeds f dogs have changed color standards over the years. I'm sure much to the dismay of other breeders. It's going to happen they are here to stay, so get over it.

And just where did those lovely little Biewers come from. did they all of a sudden just sow up?

this is so funny. the parti and the biewer are the same dog. Yet biewers are approved of and partis are not. You don't make any sense.

The definition of black is the absence of color. the definition of white is a combination of all colors. so perhaps if you mix a few other colors in with the black, you can get white.

My guess is that there would be a wide variety among the traditional yorkies as well. Tere are many different lines out there and not all yorkie lines were produced from the same combination of dogs.

This DNAing to determine breed is not very accurate. It really isn't even designed to determine whether or not a dog is pure bred. at this point it is more of a novelty.

So do you think that the AKC will actually tell me if the Earth is flat?
Why would I be afraid to contact the AKC???

You are speaking like you are a child, like you are double daring me to call AkC. HOw do you know that I havent already? And you definately do not know who I know at AkC either.;)

The point I AM making is that you seem to jump with glee everytime anything, be it a biased TV show or Peta or anything else, bashes the show breeders/scene. I think that you are just a tad jealous that you and your parti poopers are not recognised in the show circle and are basically snubbed by the show breeders. I think that you REALLY want the pride and glory of showing but will never get the opportunity to do so. I think that you are just a little annoyed that no reputable show breeder will breed to your pet quality dogs in order for you to improve your breedings. I doubt very much if your pedigrees will ever have Sure Shot in them and he is conformationally one of the best.
I think that this is exactly why you posted as you did with such snidness reguarding the post

I will finish that sentence.


reguarding post #127 with you post #130.

You showed your true colors when you posted that.

I would like to see Joans "quote" in writing and the entire conversation.

I dont doubt it.

There are many colors already mixed in the yorkie makeup.

I know that you haven't because if you had, you would know and we would not be having this discussion. I don't think you want to know the truth.

This is is the first time that there has been anything thing said about the show breeders being bshed. I did not jump with glee, i shook my head in disgust. I have repeatedly said that I know that this is not all show breeders , but it does go on.

and FTI I don't even like PETA nd agree with very little of what they say. so unles ou can come up with other posts where i have discussed this matter, don't be making fralse raccusfations.

I am jealous of nothing and no one. I am happy to be able to breed the dogs thfat i see fit to reed nd not be controld by some orgranization.

and If I wanted to show dogs for the "glory of showing" I would be doing just that. What makes you think that i can't sow dogs. In fact i can showw my Partis if I want to. what makes you think that I have never had the opportunity to show dogs?

I don't happen to see any glory in showing. I don't need to strut my dogs around a ring for a judges approval. I don't need that type of validation in my life. some people enjoy doing that, I do not.

And what snide comment did I make? I was very clear in what I posted.

You have taken everything I said and twisted it. As per your usual, now that you have nothing else informative to say on the subject, you have turned to personal attacks.

And what true colors might that be? that it is good to see the show breeders take some heat once.

You are the one to contiually tell us what disreputable breeders we are. That post just shows what goes on behind the scenes in show breeding.

It had nothing to do with me or my true colors.

then contact the AKC.

You have taken this thread and turned it to be about me.

Lets get back on track and discuss the dogs.

Unless you have new information to show that the parti color is not part of the original make up of the yorkies, I guess the conversation is over becaus I have already posted all the information that I have.

Partis are here to stay, so best just get used to the idea that you cannot change that.

And to Pruett, you'd best concentrate oln figuring out what type of dog you have before you go bashing the partis. seems to me that you have your own battles to fight, once you figure out which side you are on.

You can't make your dog a separaste breed just be declaring it to be one.

The thing that bothers me the most is the comments and arguing between the partis and biewer owners.
Both parti and biewers came from 2 full yorkshire terriers. So what makes either any better than the other?

I agree. I don't know why one group is bashing the other, they are all the same dogs, from different countries.

And why does Pruett, who claims that her dogs are not yorkies, care what someone elses dogs are, when she does't even know what her dogs are.

But you should already have this info at your finger tips so why dont you just post it for all to see?

What you said about this post told everyone volumns about your breeding ethics not to mention your apparent tunnel vision when it come to show breeders and the show world. I bet that TV show made all of the pet breeders very enboldened, like nothing ever happens in the pet breeder world. Its definately not the pet breedes that are footing the bill on education/health issues/research of any breed. Its mostly the exhibitor breeders/breed clubs/AkC that can say that.

Sweetie I've told you many times in other threads that I am not going to do your homework for you. 1. because you would not believe anything that I produced anyway. But if you get it from the AKC yourself, then you will know. 2. because I don't have to prove anything to you.

Dont call me "sweetie". I am not your child(thank God). I dont think that you have anything to post and yes, I would not believe anything that you did post. I have already done my 'homework" on this issue. DNA can only tell you if the parents are indeed the parents of that puppy/litter. It cant tell you if there was a mix bred in generations before. The numbers of partis dont add up and seem to only run in the pet quality breeder circle.
I dont care if you all want to breed sub-standard yorkies. At least I know that there is a breed club (YTCA) that will not allow these non-standard colors to be shown in conformation.

I think you are the only one that read that into what I said. And i don't care what you or anyone else says or thinks about my breeding ethics, Actually I didn 't even see the sow. I was just responding to what some one else said.

I have never attacked you or yhour dogs or our breeding practices, so why do you repeatedly try to turn these treads into something personal?

You know nothing about me or my dogs or my breeding practices. The only thing you know about me is that I do not agree with the YTCA disqualifying colors that are a natural part of the yorkie.

I do not agree with their decision, but I don't care that they have disqualified it because I have no desire to join the YTCA or to show dogs.

For me showing dogs and trying to please other people would be way to stressful, and all of that stress would turn me into a very angry person that would go around attacking other people that I don't even know and accusing them of doing and saying things that they didn 't say or do.

I prefer to live my life my way and to run my breeding program the best that I can to produce well socialized healthy beautiful dogs.

I will make mistakes and I will learn from my mistakes.

Now lets turn this thread back over to the discussion of dogs.

Do you have any new information for your case against the parti colored yorkies?

Well I could have called you something else, but don't know you that well.

Right, I have nothing new to post. You've been given the information and told where you can ask t o confirm it. if you don't want to take the time to do that , then evidently it is not important to you, or maybe you just dont want to know. what ever, it doesn't matter to me because as you stated you woldn't believe me anyway, and I don't care what you think, so why should I bolther.

Just because a dog does not meet the color qualifications for the show ring does not mean that it is not a quality dog, seeing as they came from champion lines they could very well be champion dogs if not for the color.

I couldn't agree more. I'm relatively new to YT but I have to say, it's this kind of drama and bickering that makes ME very leary to post. I've seen it too often lately. I can only imagine what a newbie must think that has come here to gather information and learn. We all have a right to our own opinions. However, what purpose do personal attacks have? There comes a time when we just need to agree to disagree.

I have to laugh. As a 'newbie' on these boards, but not new to foruming, I was shocked, prior to reading this thread, at how nice everyone was to each other and how no one seemed to disregard and/or put down others dog just because they weren't their 'type' - I saw Biewer, Yorkie and Parti owners all being so polite and so non judgemental to others dogs. I saw people post their Yorkie mixes and get welcomed here no less then someone with a purebred. I had never seen a forum where everyone just 'got along'....

Then I saw this post. I don't see what the issue is.... some people are headstrong in standard Yorkies, and that is great... Others are into Biewers, and that is great.... Othe people prefer Partis... and that is great. But what I don't get is why it matters what other people are into... if you are a standard yorkie breeder and don't think Partis should be purpousely bred for... then don't. Other people disagree. I personally don't think either person can be 'right' as it is overall a matter of preference. I don't think ANYONE will argue that they are all beautiful.

I think that if Parti owners like the look and want to breed for it purposefully, that is fine, but instead of changing the breed standard, I think it should be like the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel and have multiple avenues for colors(traditional, parti, and Biewer).

This is all my opinion - I am not trying to get into this argument as I do not really know enough yet (although I am learning)

You have a very good opinion and i think you are right.* I'm sorry that you were shocked by this thread.* YT is generally a very nice place.

I will not deny I like a good informative debate, but when people start attacking other peoples dogs or the people personally then it has no place on a dog forum.* Perhaps they should try anger management forum instead.

I agree they are all beautiful.