Originally Posted by YorkieMaybe (Post 2444750)

I have to laugh. As a 'newbie' on these boards, but not new to foruming, I was shocked, prior to reading this thread, at how nice everyone was to each other and how no one seemed to disregard and/or put down others dog just because they weren't their 'type' - I saw Biewer, Yorkie and Parti owners all being so polite and so non judgemental to others dogs. I saw people post their Yorkie mixes and get welcomed here no less then someone with a purebred. I had never seen a forum where everyone just 'got along'....

Then I saw this post. I don't see what the issue is.... some people are headstrong in standard Yorkies, and that is great... Others are into Biewers, and that is great.... Othe people prefer Partis... and that is great. But what I don't get is why it matters what other people are into... if you are a standard yorkie breeder and don't think Partis should be purpousely bred for... then don't. Other people disagree. I personally don't think either person can be 'right' as it is overall a matter of preference. I don't think ANYONE will argue that they are all beautiful.

I think that if Parti owners like the look and want to breed for it purposefully, that is fine, but instead of changing the breed standard, I think it should be like the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel and have multiple avenues for colors(traditional, parti, and Biewer).

This is all my opinion - I am not trying to get into this argument as I do not really know enough yet (although I am learning)

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2445186)

One can apply what Juliet says to Romeo "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"
" A yorkie by any other name would still be a Yorkie"

Meaning:
What matters is what something is, not what it is called.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2445186)

One can apply what Juliet says to Romeo "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"
" A yorkie by any other name would still be a Yorkie"

Meaning:
What matters is what something is, not what it is called.

Originally Posted by qraven (Post 2445542)

So true.. Shakespeare had a wonderful way with words.

For those that are wondering a group of us called AKC yesterday to clarify what their stand was and when asked in regards to the Biewer and Biewer Terrier we were told that it is nothing more than a party colored Yorkie and was not even in consideration for FSS as it's own breed. If you do not believe me call them yourself. Unlike others though I will not throw their names out on a forum all you do is ask AKC for the person handling the Biewer or Biewer Terrier in FSS and they will get you to the correct person

I for sure wanted to know since I am owned by some lovely Biewer a la Pom Pon

Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2445697)

AKC's opinion on biewers isn't a secret. To my knowledge none of the clubs have even applied for inclusion to the FSS program...presently all the qualifications aren't met but they are working towards that goal.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2445717)

Are they trying to get them registered as parti colored yorkies?

Originally Posted by YorkieMaybe (Post 2444750)

I have to laugh. As a 'newbie' on these boards, but not new to foruming, I was shocked, prior to reading this thread, at how nice everyone was to each other and how no one seemed to disregard and/or put down others dog just because they weren't their 'type' - I saw Biewer, Yorkie and Parti owners all being so polite and so non judgemental to others dogs. I saw people post their Yorkie mixes and get welcomed here no less then someone with a purebred. I had never seen a forum where everyone just 'got along'....

Then I saw this post. I don't see what the issue is.... some people are headstrong in standard Yorkies, and that is great... Others are into Biewers, and that is great.... Othe people prefer Partis... and that is great. But what I don't get is why it matters what other people are into... if you are a standard yorkie breeder and don't think Partis should be purpousely bred for... then don't. Other people disagree. I personally don't think either person can be 'right' as it is overall a matter of preference. I don't think ANYONE will argue that they are all beautiful.

I think that if Parti owners like the look and want to breed for it purposefully, that is fine, but instead of changing the breed standard, I think it should be like the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel and have multiple avenues for colors(traditional, parti, and Biewer).

This is all my opinion - I am not trying to get into this argument as I do not really know enough yet (although I am learning)

Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2445721)

No, they are trying to get them recongnized by AKC as Biewer Terriers(which is what they are)!

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2445726)

I think many people read these threads and wonder what's all the fuss about. Why can't people just buy whatever pup they like, they are all beautiful. As the OP understood in post 12, this is not about beauty, it really is about the health of the dogs. I'm an advocate of good breeding, and I feel that breeders, who specialize in any rare trait, whether it is the Parti trait, extra tiny size, or apple head, are hurting the breed. Some breeders don't believe that they are harming the breed, but since they sell their dogs to others for breeding purposes, (many with no real breeding credentials) and also encourage the popularity of the anomalies, they are indeed hurting the breed. Good breeding involves many different things; it's a science as well as an art. As I have done more research on the subject of breeding, I've come to believe that because we kill millions of dogs yearly in pounds, responsible breeding is extremely important. Reading the sick and emergency forums reiterates the need for responsible breeding, not just beautiful dogs. There is a very real concern with breeding for the recessive trait, and offspring should be monitored and tested for the incidence of disease. So for me, this isn't just about beautiful dogs. Now I'm sure some of you will say, there's way more normal looking yorkies in the sick and emergency forum than there are partis, and I just want to say, "UNCLE."

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2445810)

which breeds were used to create the Biewer Terrier? Which registry are they registered with, Which breed are they registered as?

Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2445833)

I personally believe the dogs originated from yorkshire terriers. In Germany the dogs were registered with German clubs. The biewer clubs here in the US have their own registries and are compiling their own stud books. It was only in the US that BTNA elected to drop the yorkshire from the name. Their club registers their dogs under the name Biewer Terrier. The other clubs register their dogs under the original name. Biewer Yorkshire Terrier a al pom pon.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2445882)

So then even though the name has been changed, they are still yorkies, and are registered as yorkies in the registries.* Not the breed clubs, but in breed registires.* Is that correct?

Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2445900)

No Jeanie. They are not registered as yorkies.

The breed clubs have established registries and are compiling stud books as a requirement for consideration in the FSS program.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2445726)

I think many people read these threads and wonder what's all the fuss about. Why can't people just buy whatever pup they like, they are all beautiful. As the OP understood in post 12, this is not about beauty, it really is about the health of the dogs. I'm an advocate of good breeding, and I feel that breeders, who specialize in any rare trait, whether it is the Parti trait, extra tiny size, or apple head, are hurting the breed. Some breeders don't believe that they are harming the breed, but since they sell their dogs to others for breeding purposes, (many with no real breeding credentials) and also encourage the popularity of the anomalies, they are indeed hurting the breed. Good breeding involves many different things; it's a science as well as an art. As I have done more research on the subject of breeding, I've come to believe that because we kill millions of dogs yearly in pounds, responsible breeding is extremely important. Reading the sick and emergency forums reiterates the need for responsible breeding, not just beautiful dogs. There is a very real concern with breeding for the recessive trait, and offspring should be monitored and tested for the incidence of disease. So for me, this isn't just about beautiful dogs. Now I'm sure some of you will say, there's way more normal looking yorkies in the sick and emergency forum than there are partis, and I just want to say, "UNCLE."

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2445726)

I think many people read these threads and wonder what's all the fuss about. Why can't people just buy whatever pup they like, they are all beautiful. As the OP understood in post 12, this is not about beauty, it really is about the health of the dogs. I'm an advocate of good breeding, and I feel that breeders, who specialize in any rare trait, whether it is the Parti trait, extra tiny size, or apple head, are hurting the breed. Some breeders don't believe that they are harming the breed, but since they sell their dogs to others for breeding purposes, (many with no real breeding credentials) and also encourage the popularity of the anomalies, they are indeed hurting the breed. Good breeding involves many different things; it's a science as well as an art. As I have done more research on the subject of breeding, I've come to believe that because we kill millions of dogs yearly in pounds, responsible breeding is extremely important. Reading the sick and emergency forums reiterates the need for responsible breeding, not just beautiful dogs. There is a very real concern with breeding for the recessive trait, and offspring should be monitored and tested for the incidence of disease. So for me, this isn't just about beautiful dogs. Now I'm sure some of you will say, there's way more normal looking yorkies in the sick and emergency forum than there are partis, and I just want to say, "UNCLE."

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 2446107)

Isn't this true of any breeding program, though? Breeding for any trait besides health reduces the gene pool, and makes the breed less robust. Even in breeding for health, you might reduce the chances for one disease and accidentally increase the chances for another. In fact, simply breeding pure breds at all by definition indicates you are working with a limited gene pool.

Personally, I'm curious as to whether the parti coloring is controlled by one gene or many. It would appear to me to most likely be the later. Any opinions?

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2446159)

These views were obtained from Yorkietalk, and haven't been throughly researched.

Originally Posted by Missiemiss (Post 2446189)

It is my opinion that views have been expressed and this thread has gone as far as it can go. We have seen personal attacks and THAT is not what this forum is about.

Deep breathes people!

I would recommend to close the thread but that's not my call to make. I just think it's a good idea for the sake of the forum.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2445986)

So they are not registered in the existing registries? I'm not sure of all of the various registries out there, just the AKC and he CKC, but i know there are others. Pruett had said they were registered as yorkies, just before she was escorted from the forum and her post deleted.

Originally Posted by sierrapups (Post 2446228)

I don't see anywhere that Gayle posted that the Biewer Terriers are being registered as yorkies. Maybe you need to clarify that statement as it is very misleading.
Being that you have a Parti yorkie and not a Biewer, again I am going to ask you, why are you so insistant on knowing what is in the Biewer Breed? Wouldn't you be better served testing your Parti yorkie to see if there isn't anything bred into it to make it so white?

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2446205)

The last few pages there have been no fights. QuickSilver asked a new question, and wanted people's opinion on it. Personally, I would like to see one Parti thread not closed.

Originally Posted by sierrapups (Post 2446228)

I don't see anywhere that Gayle posted that the Biewer Terriers are being registered as yorkies. Maybe you need to clarify that statement as it is very misleading.
Being that you have a Parti yorkie and not a Biewer, again I am going to ask you, why are you so insistant on knowing what is in the Biewer Breed? Wouldn't you be better served testing your Parti yorkie to see if there isn't anything bred into it to make it so white?

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 2446265)

IMO the same gene that was in these dogs that made them have white is the same gene that make partis white.

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 2446280)

Cant we have a discussion without knocking someones dog??

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2446159)

If your desire is truly to bread only for robustness, then you should probably take man out of the mix. Nature breeds for robustness. Put 100 dogs together let them decide with whom to mate, and let them settle the arguments, and find their food. In 100 years or so, the remaining dogs will probably be very robust, but I doubt if anybody would want them as a "pet." Well, maybe Michael Vick. There's nothing wrong with breeding for certain traits if you really know what your doing. Unfortunately very few do.


From what I understand, the parti trait that is seen in many animals is controlled by one gene that is recessive. Some people believe a second gene causes the spotting you see on Biewer. These views were obtained from Yorkietalk, and haven't been throughly researched.