Any one familiar with Moon Valley Kennel

[tbullis]

First of all I joined this forum to learn more about Yorkies, secondly it was actually Betty, from Moon Valley Kennel, that suggested that I post asking about her kennel.(not a move someone who has "questionable service" would make) . I had done all my on-line research to find the right dog for my enviroment, and have always wanted a Yorkie. It fits my lifestyle and my family. My husband spoke to Betty on a Wed. and was very impressed with her knowledge. My husband and I met with Betty and some of her wonderful puppies on the following Sat., She sat with us for more that a couple of hours as we asked question after question, spent time with 3 puppies she had picked out for us to take a look at. Never once did Betty try to "sell" us a puppy. Betty told us many stories of people who were totally satisfied with their Yorkie pup, and she did not hesitate to tell us about problems that she had experienced with others. She made us very comfortable with the fact that her puppies are her pride and that she does the very best of her capablity to make sure all parties are satisfied. Betty disclosed the story in question to me before it was a "headline" and then retold the same story to me the exact same way when she called to tell me the story had been released and discussed my position on my soon to be Yorkie pup, Ava. I explained to Betty, my confidence in her was solid, she disclosed all the information to me and allowed me to make my own decision.

I had never met Betty or Rachel before that Sat. and I can honestly and respectfully say, Yorkies are their life and they don't have the kennel that they have because they like "selling" puppies, they have the successful kennel that they have because they LOVE what they do and LOVE Yorkies.

That being said, Lady Avalon (AVA) will be making her grand appearance into my family on Christmas Eve and I am delighted to say that she is a MOON VALLEY KENNEL PUP!

[Nancy1999]

I just saw the news video, and all I can say is little Lance is such a cutie pie. Even with the cost of surgery he's a great deal. I think, as a breeder, I would take him back if someone was unhappy.

[urbnalbino]

Nancy - the biggest reason we didn't take Lance back is for the sole reason that they had had two puppies at their house and returned back to the breeder. We do not have the kind of space to isolate him for 10 days to make sure that he hasn't caught contagious diseases from these other puppies that were at his home. What if one of those other puppies had parvo and he was carrying it? What if he came to our house, played with the other puppies and then all of our puppies were doomed? My mother said all this during the interview but of course it was cut out.

Mom has decided to go ahead and take care of the neutering and baby teeth completely. We hope this will end this whole thing once and for all.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by urbnalbino

Nancy - the biggest reason we didn't take Lance back is for the sole reason that they had had two puppies at their house and returned back to the breeder. We do not have the kind of space to isolate him for 10 days to make sure that he hasn't caught contagious diseases from these other puppies that were at his home. What if one of those other puppies had parvo and he was carrying it? What if he came to our house, played with the other puppies and then all of our puppies were doomed? My mother said all this during the interview but of course it was cut out.

Mom has decided to go ahead and take care of the neutering and baby teeth completely. We hope this will end this whole thing once and for all.

I did find that the newscasting seemed a little biased, it seems it should have been mentioned that most Yorkies have to have their baby teeth pulled. He is such a cutie pie, I just wouldn't want someone who didn't realize how lucky he was to have him . . . have him.

[Pettysmith]

Here is proof that Betty of Moon Valley Kennels knows what she is doing.

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Barkley (17 months)

[urbnalbino]

Oh Belinda Barkley is just handsome in that picture! LOL -- I love that STUD hair clip. It makes him look like a playgirl! Nice pics too -- where did have them done?

[Pettysmith]

Thank you Rachal. I did the pictures myself. Have always enjoyed photography. Got a new Nikon DSLR for Christmas. Still learning how to use it. I don't enjoy taking the pictures as much as I do manipulating them in Photoshop. Isn't he quite the little Studmuffin. I love him soooo much and I thank your Mom every day for being so nice, so understanding, and so adamant about making sure I got what I wanted and not what she had to sell me. We have enjoyed watching him grow.

[boodarlene]

Here is what I found when I went to Moon Valley... The place is clean and the dogs seem to be well cared for. With that being said... the dogs are OVER breeded! Females are breeded with every heat! That is not healthy for the mom or the puppies!

Although the place is clean, I would not purchase a dog from them based on the above. You can not breed a yorkie every heat and expect for her or the babies to continue to be healthy! That's backyard breeding!

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by boodarlene

Here is what I found when I went to Moon Valley... The place is clean and the dogs seem to be well cared for. With that being said... the dogs are OVER breeded! Females are breeded with every heat! That is not healthy for the mom or the puppies!

Although the place is clean, I would not purchase a dog from them based on the above. You can not breed a yorkie every heat and expect for her or the babies to continue to be healthy! That's backyard breeding!

What makes you think she's breeding every heat? Did she tell you this? You can breed 2 straight then skip or breed then skip. You're right, it's not good to breed every heat, but, where did you get this info from that said this is what Betty was doing?

[urbnalbino]

Yes, I would like to know where you got your information from? I am Betty's daughter, and I don't even know how often she breeds certain dogs! I know for a fact that she would NEVER tell a stranger, or her friends for that matter, that sort of information. My mother and I would like to know what she might have said to give you the inkling that she operates that way? Call us up and talk to us so you can express your personal opinion to us first-- We'd certainly love to hear from you!! 865-308-0222 or you can email us at betty@ayorkieisforever.com with your number and we'll call you.

[boodarlene]

All do respect... she is your mother, I would expect you to defend her. Maybe defend is not the right word, but you know what I mean. Second, not sharing that information is another red flag! If I'm buying a puppy, I want to know how many litters the mother has had. That is very important info for a possible buyer and something that the breeder should have NO problem giving! What age did the dog have it's first litter and so on... Anyone who does their homework before buying is going into this informed and that's 1 of the things you should be looking for in a good forever home. Also... breeding to produce "teacup, mini or pocket pups" is also something to beware of! These dogs more often then not have major health issues and something a good breeder would not do!

[urbnalbino]

We do NOT advertise tea cup and mini sized Yorkies. She refuses to keep any females for breeding that end up being less than 5 lbs anyway. Where are you getting all this from?? Its not on our website, and we would never tell anyone that we do. Our Yorkies are extremely well cared for, just as you noted, and my mother would never do anything to jeopardize the health of her dogs. What did my mother tell you when you asked her these questions? In fact, she said she didn't even remember anyone from VA coming to visit recently, especially anyone asking those types of questions. And, you didn't answer mine and phfgkl's question about getting your information?

It sounds to me like you're just trying to create a stir for no reason at all. At least tell me when you came out and your name so we can remember who you were. Let us know who you are instead of hiding behind a screen name. As mentioned above, call my mom and talk to her. She isn't too good at the internet thing and prefers the old fashioned method of communication.

[boodarlene]

Yes, as I stated the place looks clean. No, I am not trying to create a "stir". I wasn't living in VA when I came to see your mom's place. Where I got my info was first hand and then I also heard it again from a friend that has 2 of your mom's dogs.
All I am saying is if anyone on this is looking to purchase a puppy, ASK lots of questions. If the breeder will not tell you how many litters the mom has had, the age she was when she had her first litter & how often she is breed... RUN! A good breeder will not withhold that info and will have nothing to hide. Because they are doing the right thing by both mom & pups. You stated yourself that that info is something your mother would "Never" tell anyone not even you. As you should know... the more you breed a dog, the more health issues BOTH the mother & the puppies have. Dogs are not money making machines! They should not be forced to have litter after litter. They are tiny little dogs and the stress & strain that is put on their bodies while pregnant and during birth takes a toll on them!!! If in fact what you are saying is true, then your mother doesn't have anything to worry about and should be more then willing to answer the above questions for any potential buyer. In my experience & my friend's that info was not given up.

[urbnalbino]

You say the info wasn't given up, but then again your friend still bought two of her dogs? If you have so much advice, then why didn't you tell her not to buy them from her? All you are doing is assuming - just because someone doesn't offer the information, it automatically means the dogs are bred back to back? You don't have a clue. You have NO idea. Her breeding records are her business and her business alone - what you are implying is that she voluntarily puts the health of her dogs in harms way - yet at the same time, she built a beautiful $70k kennel for them? Now that doesn't make much sense. And yes, you are creating a stir. And there is no need for it. I would very much appreciate it if you just left it at that. You've made your point because you keep saying the same thing in your posts and you obviously have nothing else to say.

You still haven't called us and keep hiding behind a screen name. What is one to think who says something so harmful about a business with only 7 posts under their belt? Could it be? Someone trying to create a stir. Crazy.

[boodarlene]

Who's hiding... aren't you answering posts for your mother???? The "business owner". And from the info in your earlier post... you have NO IDEA how often she breeds the same dogs. Maybe it's you who should stop and have her reply.

Truth is when asked the questions, your mother did not want to answer them. That is a RED flag! Plain simple fact! With nothing to hide the questions should be answered! It doesn't matter what you say or how you defend her a buyer has the right to that info!! Just because you send $$ on a kennel DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD BREEDER. What that tells me is that you must be doing a whole lot of breeding to pay for that kennel... again, we go back to mass production! And I guess you think that that makes you a good breeder??

As far as what my friend who did buy her dogs from your mother... 1 of her dogs has a liver shunt, he was born with it. She has said herself that she should have walked away when her questions weren't answered.

All of this is the truth and the readers can take whatever stock in it that they want. Neither you nor I can make anyone do something they don't want to do. If they are going to buy from your mom and they feel comfortable with that choice... then that's what they are going to do. I'm not trying to stop that. I just think that they should ask questions and get answers. If they don't get the answers and they are ok with that... so be it! And since you have "no idea" how often your mother breeds her dogs and at what age... I don't think this is an issue you should be addressing, your mother should!