oh what to do

[bilbao]

if you read the post correctly i said we have only one vet here in town and he is out of town right now and other than him its 4 hours. so if (notice the word if) she is pregnant then we will make sure we have set up with the vet that he will be here in town and ready at any time. no we did not have them tested. i am not breeding show dogs or anything like that i am just looking to give some great people a great pet that they normaly wouldnt be able to get. if it turns out to have health problems in a few years yeah that will suck but such is life. i didnt get tested with my spouce to see if my children may develope any type of disorder and i highly doubt any of you did too. in response to what are we going to do on her next however many heats she has. of course we will have to seperate them or get them fixed and we know that. also irresponsibility or not i my male will be there to witness it all until he gives me a reason or my female does then i will not let him be there. also i do not believe that anyone has been bashing or anything like that. i think people are a little to touchy on the subject and cant handle thinking that there might be a dog having babies. i assure you its ok it is natural for them to have kids like humans you are suppose to have children. they are suppose to have children. now if you are pumping pups out like its going out of style you have a problem or in my personal opinion if you have 4 bitches dropping a litter every so often what makes you any better than the next guy? accidents happen with animals and people. life happens you live with it and get over it. so my suggestion to everyone is get over the fact that my baby may (notice the may) be pregnant i highly doubt she is because she is now between her 4th and 5th week and i have noticed no difference in her teats, volva, weight, size, appitite, belly hair thinning, aggression, or any other sign of pregnancy now yes maybe she is a mirical dog that doesnt show a single sign of pregnancy but that would take me back to the original post. i was asking if there is any sure sign that she is pregnant and also after a month how big would embryos be? nothing about am i irresponsibil for leaving the dog together or advise on if i should get them fixed. i know its hard to leave the one track mind rail but if you dont have an answer for the original question its all just static. and until people start acknowlaging the original questions thats all this thread will be is static and they may as well just delete it because its doing no good for everyone. not answering questions, and just sturing people up. again i thank those who have actually helped the situation and those who understand that life happens.
thanks

[Ashley V]

Originally Posted by bilbao

i have called my vet but due to my geographical location we only have 1 vet within a four hour drive and he happens to be out of town until the first of next week so i felt that this would be the next best thing but aparantly that was a bad idea. those of you who are actually concerned and have helped i say thanks and to those of you who just create conflict i say shame on you.

Actually if you reread your post again, you did say there is only one vet within four hours.

Obviously you think you have all the answers, so all I'm going to say is good luck and I hope nothing bad happens to your girl or the pups if she is pregnant. Also, you can't expect to come on a public forum with a ton of experienced breeders and say your 9 month old might be pregnant because of an irresponsible decision and not expect people to be concerned. People do have the right to say as they please... whether you like it or not, or listen to it or not, it will be said and I think you will just need to get over that little fact.

[Ashley V]

And one last thing... just because you aren't breeding show dogs, doesn't mean that your dogs don't need to be tested for genetic disorders. Yorkies tend to be very susceptible to disorders like luxating patellas, liver shunts, etc and the surgeries, procedures, and medicine to fix these things are very, VERY expensive and are very painful for the dogs to go through and for the ones that love them to watch them go through.

Also, the reason people are touchy about this has nothing to with a dog having babies, it has to do with the fact that she is 9 months old. If you do the math (dogs age 7 times faster than humans) it like asking a 5 year old human girl to have a child.

[Tnyorkiemom]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

I would like to suggest that the OP read this thred http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...ad-client.html

It CAN and DOES happen!! My gosh hon, your girl is still a baby. Yes, maybe she will be fine having them.. just like a pro.. and maybe not one of the bad things will happen. But you have to be educated about what can and very often does happen. If you think some people are just being mean.. you really should go back over this and read it again. We all CARE.. I mean we REALLY care about this breed. My heart hurts right now to think of a 9 month old pregnant yorkie baby. It is NOT easy. I have personally lost a litter before and I have personally had my female go thru a c-section. I mean, what is done is done.. and before you make a decision on what to do, please speak with your vet and honestly listen to his HONEST opinion on whether she can have them. If he advises against it, please open your heart to swallow your pride and do the right thing for her. If he says she will be okay.. then please follow the advise you have been given here and learn everything you can. I wish you the best of luck. PS.. Please hon.,... do NOT let your boy make the decision on whether he will be around her babies. They may be best of friends right know and loving each other so much, and depressed when apart.. but I can tell you right now.. it is RARE for a nursing mother to tolerate ANY other dog anywhere near her babies. That is pure irresponsibility to allow him in the same room with her with new puppies. It is NOT him that will hurt her or them. It is the MOM.,. she could very well kill him. It HAs HAPPENED AND does HAPPEN MORE OFTEN THAN YOU WOULD BELIEVE. gOOD LUCK

very well said Sonya you always seem to have the right words to say about things....i would hope that if this precious little thing is pregers that she would feel confident enough to confide in you if she needs to....you are one of the great breeders on YT

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by bilbao

no we did not have them tested. i am not breeding show dogs or anything like that i am just looking to give some great people a great pet that they normaly wouldnt be able to get. if it turns out to have health problems in a few years yeah that will suck but such is life.

This is very unfortunate. I will keep my fingers crossed for the potential owners that this gamble plays out in their favor.

Originally Posted by bilbao

i didnt get tested with my spouce to see if my children may develope any type of disorder and i highly doubt any of you did too.

You cannot equate humans having children to breeding dogs.

Originally Posted by bilbao

i think people are a little to touchy on the subject and cant handle thinking that there might be a dog having babies.

I think there are PLENTY of people on YT that can handle and are supportive of responsible breeding and breeders.

Originally Posted by bilbao

i was asking if there is any sure sign that she is pregnant and also after a month how big would embryos be? and until people start acknowlaging the original questions

Then mabybe all the details should have been left out and just the question itself should be asked? If the extra deatails are never made available for comment...know what I mean?

[bilbao]

im not trying to hide the fact that she may be pregnant why would i leave the details out? i was hoping for the "expert" advise on here which come to find out is slim to none. no offence you those of you who believe that you are the master expert breeder but from what i have had as far as answers, none of you know one thing from the other. keep your fingers crossed for the potential owners?... lol thats just funny to me you make it sound like i am going to be selling pups like i said earlier i have family and friends that are more than willing to take one into their home and love it. its not like we would be screwing people by selling them a puppy. i dont believe in selling them especially if it is an accidental pregnancy. both of my pups are very healthy and active if one of them gets sick that would be too bad but i would rather put it down and out of its missery than have it have any more painful recoverys or anything like that. why cant i compare my dogs to humans? they eat, breath, think, cry, get lonely, love, play, pee, poop, reproduce, live in my home, and anything else i do or my children do. they are as much of the family that i or my child is. so yes i do believe that they are just like humans and if they were just animals why do we have animal cruelty laws?... sure they may not be the same species as you and i but just because they walk on all fours doesnt mean they deserve any less. in responce to the vet being 4 hours away coment. you are right i did say there is 1 vet within four hours sorry about leaving the details out. he lives probably 1-2 minutes away from me depending on how long you wait at the stop sign. but yes it is true there is only 1 within a 4 hour drive sorry about the confusion there. yes this is a public forum and i know people will say what they think and their opinions and that is what i was looking for but again i will say it. the original post asked 2 simple questions that none of these "expert" breeders have answered yet. all i am still getting is a bunch of static which i hope isnt from the so called self proclaimed "experts". i tell you what in the last 4 weeks about reading up on things i am sure i could give some valuable advice to someone in need. and i will if there ever comes the chance to share all that i have learned i will spread it like wild fire and it may upset you "breeders" out there because someone might be taking away your buisness. but i believe there are people that are out there that breed to give a loving home a geat dog and a great dog a loving home not to make a couple grand every sale. sorry if i offend some of you its just how i feel and hey it is a public forum right? thanks again for all your concern about my baby that may be having babies. everything will turn out fine we are and will continue to take good care of her to make sure she and the pups have the best chance they can get.
thanks again

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by bilbao

im not trying to hide the fact that she may be pregnant why would i leave the details out?

You shouldn't if that is what you want to share....but given the fact that you DID make that information known, it's no surprise that people commented on it.

i was hoping for the "expert" advise on here which come to find out is slim to none. no offence you those of you who believe that you are the master expert breeder but from what i have had as far as answers, none of you know one thing from the other.

Originally Posted by bilbao

keep your fingers crossed for the potential owners?... lol thats just funny to me you make it sound like i am going to be selling pups like i said earlier i have family and friends that are more than willing to take one into their home and love it.

It's got nothing to do with whether or not you sell them or give them away. I'm assuming even a family member or friend would be just as heartbroken if their puppy ended up with a serious illness? If you don't have the parents' health screened, then how do you know you won't be producing that?

Originally Posted by bilbao

if one of them gets sick that would be too bad but i would rather put it down and out of its missery than have it have any more painful recoverys or anything like that. why cant i compare my dogs to humans?

Would you have a human put out of his/her misery? There is nothing wrong with comparing dogs to humans, IMO in terms of love and care and emotional attachment--I don't think anyone implied otherwise? However, breeding dogs and human reproduction, that is another issue--the two are not comparable. You can't justify an aspect of breeding dogs by comparing it to human reproduction.

Originally Posted by bilbao

yes this is a public forum and i know people will say what they think and their opinions and that is what i was looking for but again i will say it. the original post asked 2 simple questions that none of these "expert" breeders have answered yet.

On the contrary...I believe your original questions WERE answered. What it seems you are failing to find is support for your actions from the "expert" breeders who disagree with you.

Originally Posted by bilbao

all i am still getting is a bunch of static which i hope isnt from the so called self proclaimed "experts".

I don't believe anyone here proclaimed themselves to be an "expert."

Originally Posted by bilbao

it may upset you "breeders" out there because someone might be taking away your buisness. but i believe there are people that are out there that breed to give a loving home a geat dog and a great dog a loving home not to make a couple grand every sale. sorry if i offend some of you its just how i feel and hey it is a public forum right?

You are right it is a public forum and you have a right to you opinion. I don't think that you've offended anyone with that statement...that "theory" has been stated 1000 times before.

[bilbao]

bamafan thanks for the statements. i always love hearing back from you. its almost educational. just an update on my girl. she is pretty much 5 weeks now and there is no noticable belly size change and no nipple change. no discharge. and no signs of pregnancy. so at this point i would almost feel safe to say that she isnt pregnant and our decision of not keeping the dogs seperated was right and A-ok to do so i was right and i can tell you that it feels great. i have learned lots from this experiance though i have been reading different articals day in and day out and have been watching videos and i have actually came away from YT with a few supportive friends. thanks again to everyone and i will update again if she all of a sudden decides she is having pups.

Thanks

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by bilbao

We have a 9 month old yorkie/poo and a 6 month old yorkie. our 9 month went into heat 3 weeks ago and we first noticed her being accepting to our male on the 11th of aug we were very careful at first with them because we didnt want her to get pregnant on her first heat. so we always had our male wearing his belly band and would take them out to do their business at different times. after a few days of watching our male "try" desperately to even get his paws mounted on our female and being very unsuccessful because of his lack of height we became a little more free with the dogs being together. we never saw them get even close to tying but now it is all said and done my females teats are starting to get bigger and develope a sack above her nipples but it seems that some days its bigger than others and she is now constantly wanting a belly rub. also she is licking herself all the time too. the hair on her belly hasnt really thinned out too much and she hasnt been sick at all. she is still very energetic and playful maybe even more than she was before. our male was trying from the 11th which was a monday until that next monday then just stopped. during the time of him trying he would try for like 2 minutes and then just quit for the day like he knew he wasnt going to be big enough then the next day he would try for a minute and then just quit again all day. are there any sure signs that i can look for? i mean we want to breed them because my siblings love them and would like to have one of their own but we werent wanting to this time. is there anything i can do at home to test and find out? also i have read that at bout 30 days the embryos are like the size of a walnut is that the same with a 8lb yorkie/poo that would have mated with a 4 lb yorkie? lots of questions anything will help. thanks

even if they got together, the male is too young to get her pregnant ..probably...

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by bilbao

i wont lie we are unexperienced but i also believe that it is ridiculous to pay thousands for a dog so we are planning to do a service for our loved ones who want a small breed dog that cant afford one so spaying is out of the question now. and i would refuse to abort a pregnancy because those pups deserve life just as much as any of us. i really dont think there is anyone on here that can provide any info that would be much use but then again there might be someone. i truly do not think she is prego but if she is any tips would be great.

wait until the next heat.. or later.....do not leave her alone when she is due....eight pounds is a good weight for the female.. you should have cute puppies.. i love yorkipoos.. put a belly band on the boy and keep them separated.. read about whelping.. you will be fine but get her spade
after.. and neutered.. puppies are a big responsibilty.. and find a closer vet

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by bilbao

its almost educational.

LOL...and that was almost subtle. :P

Originally Posted by bilbao

so at this point i would almost feel safe to say that she isnt pregnant and our decision of not keeping the dogs seperated was right and A-ok to do so i was right and i can tell you that it feels great.

It wasn't "right", it was "lucky." Even if the tie(s) didn't result in pregnancy, allowing a tie unsupervised is still very dangerous to both dogs.

Chances are good, as others have pointed out, that your male is just 'shooting blanks' at this point, which is very fortunate. Just chaulk it up as a lesson learned, take the experience and apply it to preventing any future unwanted "accidents."

[bilbao]

Originally Posted by cesar49

wait until the next heat.. or later.....do not leave her alone when she is due....eight pounds is a good weight for the female.. you should have cute puppies.. i love yorkipoos.. put a belly band on the boy and keep them separated.. read about whelping.. you will be fine but get her spade
after.. and neutered.. puppies are a big responsibilty.. and find a closer vet

Find a closer vet 2 minutes isnt close enough? maybe we could have him move in with us...

[Baron]

Originally Posted by bilbao

you "breeders" out there because someone might be taking away your buisness. but i believe there are people that are out there that breed to give a loving home a geat dog and a great dog a loving home not to make a couple grand every sale. sorry if i offend some of you its just how i feel and hey it is a public forum right? thanks again for all your concern about my baby that may be having babies. everything will turn out fine we are and will continue to take good care of her to make sure she and the pups have the best chance they can get.
thanks again

Gosh, how I wish that I could make a couple of grand on the few pups I have sold. When you have to pay for C-Sections and only have one puppy, there is no way on earth you can recoup the money it cost. I hope that you don't have any problems when you do have a female that has puppies.

On shelters fees, I have never seen a shelter charge those amounts, Rescue's probably, but never a shelter. Rescues depend on the fees to continue to treat the ones that have been so abused and have severe health problems.

I hope that all does go well for your little one, and that your puppy can be the dog that you think she is. I had a girl that seemed to be very healthy too, but before she was 18 months, we discovered that she had a liver-shunt. Just because your dogs appear healthy to you, does not mean that they may not have some underlying problem. Please, before you do breed intentionally, have both dogs get a good health check, for your peace of mind too.