Breeding for profit

[dudley1984]

FOR YORKIEKIST......Of course they're not ALL that bad, but between the stories of abuse, or close to it, and the arrogance and rudeness at ringside, I'm only staying peripherally involved in showing. Anyway, while I've been asking around about a trustworthy handler my dog has just gotten older and now past his prime. Speaking of arrogance, what makes you think my vet didn't report any abuse he saw? I'm not clear on whether he witnessed abuse, or was the official to whom the abuse was reported, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion he didn't report something he should have. This is the exact thing that makes me break out in hives at the thought of having to interact with you showy types.

[Ladyhawk]

You showy Types?!! Yorkiekist was just wondering why abuse wasn't reported if witnessed since you didn't inform us as to how it was handled. I didn't find her post to be arrogant at all. If you are looking for an enemy around every corner than it's probably best that you don't enter the show ring. You can find great friendly, helpful people there and you can find people who are guarded and won't put up with any bull. I enjoy showing and have made great friends. I find it to be extremely educating and challenging. I am the type that if I'm going to do something, I reach for excellence. I used to be a national competitior and educator when I first started doing nails. It was a way to learn from the very best and perfect my skills while meeting the top nail techs in the industry and getting my name out there. I didn't want to make mediocre nails, I wanted to make works of art. I worked hard and placed within the top 25 nail techs in the country on the national circuit. Showing dogs is along the same vein for me, I can learn from the veterns of the yorkie world, have access to excellent stock, and get my name out there. I'm proud to be a showy type I guess because I have found them to be passionate, driven individuals who love these dogs and have commited their lives to this persuit. For me it's a good team to be on!

[blitz]

Originally Posted by dudley1984

FOR YORKIEKIST......Of course they're not ALL that bad, but between the stories of abuse, or close to it, and the arrogance and rudeness at ringside, I'm only staying peripherally involved in showing. Anyway, while I've been asking around about a trustworthy handler my dog has just gotten older and now past his prime. Speaking of arrogance, what makes you think my vet didn't report any abuse he saw? I'm not clear on whether he witnessed abuse, or was the official to whom the abuse was reported, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion he didn't report something he should have. This is the exact thing that makes me break out in hives at the thought of having to interact with you showy types.

Oh poor thing... you sound like one of those that can't take the heat. In any competitive sport you're going to find arrogance, ever go to a little league game?

You best stay home because us "showy types" might make you itch. lol.

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by blitz

Oh poor thing... you sound like one of those that can't take the heat. In any competitive sport you're going to find arrogance, ever go to a little league game?

You best stay home because us "showy types" might make you itch. lol.

Wow, this thread has twisted and turned.... I didn't get the impression that the poster was against competition....my understanding was they don't want to be a part of the rest of it. Since they didn't mention the competition (which is to be expected at any competitive sport) but instead mentioned the unethical treatment of animals and arrogant attitude of some people, I assumed this is why they chose not to be a part of it. I can't say as I blame them. I am not a part of the show world, so I really can't comment with any authority on how prevelent it is. However, there have been so many people (not just on here) comment about the undesireable attitudes, etc. that there must be at least some truth to it. Of course, I know it can't be that everyone is like that, but I can certainly understand how someone would choose not to be a part of that. No need to ridicule them for it, as it is a personal decision, and they have a right to express why they feel that way.

On the flip side, I think sometimes it is easy to forget that there are great show people out there, so by the same principle, those that do choose to show in an ethical and kind way should be treated with respect as well.

How about a truce?

[MyFairLacy]

I personally like the "showey types" myself

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by blitz

Oh poor thing... you sound like one of those that can't take the heat. In any competitive sport you're going to find arrogance, ever go to a little league game?

You best stay home because us "showy types" might make you itch. lol.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

You showy Types?!! Yorkiekist was just wondering why abuse wasn't reported if witnessed since you didn't inform us as to how it was handled. I didn't find her post to be arrogant at all. If you are looking for an enemy around every corner than it's probably best that you don't enter the show ring. You can find great friendly, helpful people there and you can find people who are guarded and won't put up with any bull. I enjoy showing and have made great friends. I find it to be extremely educating and challenging. I am the type that if I'm going to do something, I reach for excellence. I used to be a national competitior and educator when I first started doing nails. It was a way to learn from the very best and perfect my skills while meeting the top nail techs in the industry and getting my name out there. I didn't want to make mediocre nails, I wanted to make works of art. I worked hard and placed within the top 25 nail techs in the country on the national circuit. Showing dogs is along the same vein for me, I can learn from the veterns of the yorkie world, have access to excellent stock, and get my name out there. I'm proud to be a showy type I guess because I have found them to be passionate, driven individuals who love these dogs and have commited their lives to this persuit. For me it's a good team to be on!

thanks!

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by dudley1984

FOR YORKIEKIST......Of course they're not ALL that bad, but between the stories of abuse, or close to it, and the arrogance and rudeness at ringside, I'm only staying peripherally involved in showing. Anyway, while I've been asking around about a trustworthy handler my dog has just gotten older and now past his prime. Speaking of arrogance, what makes you think my vet didn't report any abuse he saw? I'm not clear on whether he witnessed abuse, or was the official to whom the abuse was reported, so I don't know how you came to the conclusion he didn't report something he should have. This is the exact thing that makes me break out in hives at the thought of having to interact with you showy types.

It sounds like your first experiences at showing were very unpleasant and now you have a big case of sour grapes. It seems that you perceive that everyone and everything involved in showing are rude, arrogant, cruel, uncaring and abusive. And you are basing this all on rumors and one vet experience. Since you seem to feel that way, why are you "staying peripherally involved" in showing? Dog showing is a competitive sport, not a bed of roses. And as with all competitive sports, you have your jerks, your gossips, your wanna bees and you plain, all-around nice people.
Thanks for calling me a "showy type"!! I know it was ment to be a put-down, but I think its kind of catchy!!

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Thanks for calling me a "showy type"!! I know it was ment to be a put-down, but I think its kind of catchy!!

LOL..I love it!

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by lisatodd

with the industry being flooded with yorkies, many breeders are having a more difficult time placing their puppies. it is a very competitive industry with mostly poor bred yorkies. many people are having to drop their adoption fees and keep the puppies longer. you need to make sure you are doing this for the right reason and not add to the over population of the breed. do your research, look and see all the yorkies out there needing a home, there are thousands. make sure you abide by the ytca rules and ethics. do the right thing!!

[dudley1984]

to lace, blitz, yorkiekist

this message is going in small pieces because I keep ketting logged out....

[dudley1984]

this has unfortunately gone form a discussion about breeding for profit to the ills of showing

[dudley1984]

Those of you who show and do so honestly and without malice, you have my sincere respect and admiration. However, you know there is a dark side to the show world that is hard for the rest of us to take.

[dudley1984]

My last time in the ring a very famous exhibitor suggested I might have more success if I dyed my dog's hair. Somehow I don't think she said this to be mean, but it killed my enthusiasm by making me wonder just what that might have to do with the "improveing the breed" I kept hearing about.

[dudley1984]

Anyway, I now breed show quality dogs to produce fabulous pets. After several years of losing tons of money at it, I stand to make a few dollars this year and don't like you show people trying to make me feel there is something wrong in this.