How does a breeder handle slamming?

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by mojo

I think most (and I sure could be wrong) breeders would not pay for the surgery as she offered to take the dog back, but do agree at that point she should have refunded the full purchase price.

Here's what I've wondered about; what would have happened to Bleu if had Vicki decided to take Janis up on the offer of returning him? I know Vicki wouldn't have because she was in love and attached to Bleu, but what if? Janis would you have put out the $10,000. for his surgery? Somehow I just don't think so.

[mojo]

I always wonder that when breeders say you have to return the sick pup. Do they put them down? That is just part of the reason the person never returns the dog, plus they are attached at that point.
I think a good breeder then feels responsible and as said before even if they dont pay for the surgery, reimburses for the dog as they are glad (and lucky) that somebody else has taken on that burden.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by mojo

I always wonder that when breeders say you have to return the sick pup. Do they put them down? That is just part of the reason the person never returns the dog, plus they are attached at that point.
I think a good breeder then feels responsible and as said before even if they dont pay for the surgery, reimburses for the dog as they are glad (and lucky) that somebody else has taken on that burden.

I feel like most breeders say the dog must be returned in order to get a replacement, and the know most people won't do this because they are attached to and love the dog. It's more of a protection for the breeder than the buyer and dog. If they sell a sick dog, they know it won't be returned so they won't have to pay or replace the dog...and honestly, would you want another dog (even free) from a breeder that you know is breeding dogs with defects? I personally wouldn't

Reputable breeders offer to take the dog back, but they don't require that the dog be returned. In my opinion, a reputable breeder would either pay for the cost of health care or at least refund the total amount if the cost of care exceeded the purchase price.

If I was a breeder and sold a dog for $1500, and it needed surgery that ended up costing $10,000. I would first refund the entire amount of the dog. And I would most likely pay for some of the surgery (but that is just what I would do...I feel like a breeder should be responsible and stand behind their dogs. If they sell a sick dog, they make it right)

[bbrewser]

What about the sire and dam? What would a "reputable" breeder do with them? Spay/Neuter? What about all of the sire/dam brothers, sisters? Again just curious, and trying to learn!!

[sweetr72]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Here's what I've wondered about; what would have happened to Bleu if had Vicki decided to take Janis up on the offer of returning him? I know Vicki wouldn't have because she was in love and attached to Bleu, but what if? Janis would you have put out the $10,000. for his surgery? Somehow I just don't think so.

I dont know how a statement like that can be made if you dont know know for sure that she wouldnt have paid for the surgery...that makes me sad to hear that when you dont even know this person..

Dawn

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by bbrewser

What about the sire and dam? What would a "reputable" breeder do with them? Spay/Neuter? What about all of the sire/dam brothers, sisters? Again just curious, and trying to learn!!

If it were me, I would eliminate all relatives from my lines. I would spay and neuter sire and dam (and any other dogs back in the pedigree if I owned them). I would also spay/neuter any offspring I had from either sire, dam, or both. I would also contact anyone that bought offspring that had any of those dogs in their pedigree and have the dog checked out for the condition.

[MyTrixie143]

I just want to say I feel badly for both parties involved. I don't know who is at fault as there are only two people who know the real story.


I took a look at your site and I must say that the "rare chocolate" that is from your Pachex and Nitro really concerns me.
She doesn't look like a true chocolate, a true chocolate has a liver color nose and pigment.
Her hair is very sparse and thin which leads me to believe she is a blue born. Her nails are very long and really need cut. Altogether she looks very unhealthy and if it were me I wouldn't be selling her at all on certainly not for $2500.

I don't know if you are uninformed about blue borns and mistakenly took her as a chocolate instead but blue borns develop severe health problems and the parents of course should be spayed and neutered right away.
Here is a link to blue borns and what a blue born pup and a chocolate pup looks like.
http://www.goldenrayyorkies.com/Gene...Chocolate.html

[MindieRose]

Wow, thats a lot of dams and sires on that site! I don't think the pics are very flattering as many of the dogs and pups look scared.
I agree that I'm not seeing the chocolate in the "chocolate". I dont see the liver pigment at all, and it looks like the face is shaved which makes him look like a chi.
I'm not trying to pick on the breeder, but there wouldnt be as many flags going up if you didnt have all the TINY wording, such tiny dams, and your pictures were better quality and better taken.
Right now your site might be cute to the uneducated eye, but honestly, to some it may appear puppy mill-ish. Especially when anyone can just "order" one of your puppys.
I am sure you love your dogs, but the ladys on here made a lot of good points about spaying/neutering some of them that should not be breeding anymore.

[luckylady]

Originally Posted by bbrewser

I would like to know what red flags you see on this ladies site? This is just me being curious, I haven't looked at her site yet.

Immediately saw "breeding tiny yorkies" and the word teacup. Those are red flags IMO and just seeing that would have me immediately look elsewhere no matter how cute her (or anyone elses) dogs are or aren't

[Tiramisu]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I feel like most breeders say the dog must be returned in order to get a replacement, and the know most people won't do this because they are attached to and love the dog. It's more of a protection for the breeder than the buyer and dog. If they sell a sick dog, they know it won't be returned so they won't have to pay or replace the dog...and honestly, would you want another dog (even free) from a breeder that you know is breeding dogs with defects? I personally wouldn't

Reputable breeders offer to take the dog back, but they don't require that the dog be returned. In my opinion, a reputable breeder would either pay for the cost of health care or at least refund the total amount if the cost of care exceeded the purchase price.

If I was a breeder and sold a dog for $1500, and it needed surgery that ended up costing $10,000. I would first refund the entire amount of the dog. And I would most likely pay for some of the surgery (but that is just what I would do...I feel like a breeder should be responsible and stand behind their dogs. If they sell a sick dog, they make it right)

$10,000 at A&M??????????

[Susan123]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

LOL... I saw that, too! And not to mention that a few of them look like mixes (or badly bred Yorkies) of Yorkie/Chihuahua
They all luck so sad

I'm sorry ALOT of people at YT have poor representations of the breed. I hoope you don't insult those (I know she's a breeder and most others purchased there dogs, given) but there are breeders with dogs like this too.

Geez, if you weren't slammed before, you have been now. Why don't we just run her off along and she'll never learn anything, and keep breeding these dogs. At least she's here and can listen.

The facts are there, Bleu is sick. I have to say and everyone should already know this - Even the best of breeders over time will have something pop up. And of course the parents spayed/neutered.

Her website leaves a lot to desire, T-cups, prices (for these types of dogs)rare chocolates and such. Big no no's. Really big is the fact that she's still breeding the parents.

There's no need to be a pit of vipers. Everything can be said tactfully, no wonder everyone is scared to ask a question.

OP: Bleu is sick with a congenital defect. You need to stop breeding his parents. No one wants to sentence a puppy to the kind of life his body has had to endure. As for your others, I don't think they are good representations of the breed. And "T-cup" is a buzz word, a tool to have uneducated buyers come in and buy. I strongly recommend cleaning up your program, starting over with a couple of dogs (new dogs, know their lines and be sure their healthy and adhere to the standard) and yes, you could change your reputation here on YT with time and effort. It's only going to be changed by the dogs breed and ethics.

[011011]

I'm sorry ALOT of people at YT have poor representations of the breed. I hoope you don't insult those (I know she's a breeder and most others purchased there dogs, given) but there are breeders with dogs like this too.

Geez, if you weren't slammed before, you have been now. Why don't we just run her off along and she'll never learn anything, and keep breeding these dogs. At least she's here and can listen.

The facts are there, Bleu is sick. I have to say and everyone should already know this - Even the best of breeders over time will have something pop up. And of course the parents spayed/neutered.

Her website leaves a lot to desire, T-cups, prices (for these types of dogs)rare chocolates and such. Big no no's. Really big is the fact that she's still breeding the parents.

There's no need to be a pit of vipers. Everything can be said tactfully, no wonder everyone is scared to ask a question.

OP: Bleu is sick with a congenital defect. You need to stop breeding his parents. No one wants to sentence a puppy to the kind of life his body has had to endure. As for your others, I don't think they are good representations of the breed. And "T-cup" is a buzz word, a tool to have uneducated buyers come in and buy. I strongly recommend cleaning up your program, starting over with a couple of dogs (new dogs, know their lines and be sure their healthy and adhere to the standard) and yes, you could change your reputation here on YT with time and effort. It's only going to be changed by the dogs breed and ethi


Very well said.

[bbrewser]

Originally Posted by Susan123

I'm sorry ALOT of people at YT have poor representations of the breed. I hoope you don't insult those (I know she's a breeder and most others purchased there dogs, given) but there are breeders with dogs like this too.

Geez, if you weren't slammed before, you have been now. Why don't we just run her off along and she'll never learn anything, and keep breeding these dogs. At least she's here and can listen.

The facts are there, Bleu is sick. I have to say and everyone should already know this - Even the best of breeders over time will have something pop up. And of course the parents spayed/neutered.

Her website leaves a lot to desire, T-cups, prices (for these types of dogs)rare chocolates and such. Big no no's. Really big is the fact that she's still breeding the parents.

There's no need to be a pit of vipers. Everything can be said tactfully, no wonder everyone is scared to ask a question.

OP: Bleu is sick with a congenital defect. You need to stop breeding his parents. No one wants to sentence a puppy to the kind of life his body has had to endure. As for your others, I don't think they are good representations of the breed. And "T-cup" is a buzz word, a tool to have uneducated buyers come in and buy. I strongly recommend cleaning up your program, starting over with a couple of dogs (new dogs, know their lines and be sure their healthy and adhere to the standard) and yes, you could change your reputation here on YT with time and effort. It's only going to be changed by the dogs breed and ethics.

that is very well said

Thanks everyone for your answers to my questions...learning lots!!

[JeanieK]

IMO
The breeder is charging way too much for her puppies.

In this case the full purchase price should have been refunded and the breeder should have been grateful that the buyer was so loving and willing to keep the puppy under the circumstances.

On the other hand, I can't feel too bad for a buyer that pays that much for a dog fram a breeder that she knows nothing about.

Researching the breeder is far more important than trying to find the perfect sized dog.

The buyer no doubt wanted a tiny, and contrary to what breeders of tines would like us to believe, there is a greater risk with health and soundness.

When it comes to buying any living creature, there is always a risk.

[MindieRose]

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

I agree with your observation....it's one thing to say that dogs with health problems shouldn't be bred. This is reasonable by any standard. The issue of breeding only perfect "to standard" dogs is another entirely.

I agree