How does a breeder handle slamming?

[kelkiss5]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I can't speak for other breeders but if they are reputable and are doing the right thing they would spay and neuter the whole litter. Now if LP (Luxating Patellas) was the case, before spaying and neutering I would make sure it wasn't caused by genetics. LP can be caused by an injury. But serious health issues the whole litter should be spayed and neutered. I would only spay or neuter the affected parent if I knew for sure which one produced it but if I didn't know which one produced it both parents would be spayed and neutered and taken out of my breeding program. Again, I can't speak for other breeders but in my opinion that is what should be done.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

That sounds sensible to me Donna. There is sooooooooo much to learn about the genetic thing. But it is great to have some knowlege on it. Thanks.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by kelkiss5

That sounds sensible to me Donna. There is sooooooooo much to learn about the genetic thing. But it is great to have some knowlege on it. Thanks.

I'm glad you are learning that's the point of great questions! As long as one listens, whether or not it's agreed upon at least maybe one breeder will learn from it!

I guess that's why I get so frustrated when someone just puts together two dogs together and breeds them without first studying the breed and doing much research before breeding. I guess why I am so passionate about it because my first yorkie Jodi had a genetic health issue and we had to put her to sleep at 7 years old several years back and she was named after my daddy who passed away 5 days before I got her and when we lost her due to something that could have been avoided makes me emotional. Losing her and my daddy's name sake makes me just that much more passionate about knowing and doing the right thing! And knowingly breeding genetic health issues is unethical and just plain WRONG! I can't get anymore clearer than that!
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[love_me_cody]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Not necessarily. I would for sure spay and neuter the sire and bitch. But if you do your research and know the breeder and what they've produced and have done all the necessary testing then really you shouldn't have to worry about shunts or other genetic health issues. What I"m trying to say is this...If you are breeding correctly and all the testing has been done and if for some reason something arises you elimate it from your breeding program ie...all puppies from that litter, sire and dam and stop producing it. If you have to start over your breeding program then so be it. Most reputable breeders if something has arisen in their breeding program has stopped it and elimated it from their breeding program. I hope that made sense...

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. It's just someone mentioned that they will keep all the dogs in the pedigree away from the pedigree of their future dog.

[Yorkiefan49]

Before I even opened this thread, I though to myself....this is a huge red flag that the breeder is so caught up over being slammed....Whenever I have done something wrong, I only get caught up when I have a guilty conscience. A decent breeder would take the slam, try their ABSOLUTE BEST to right the wrong, then move forward, without a conscience and let their otherwise great practices continue to speak for themself.

Then I opened the thread and decided to have an open mind....and closed it right back up when I saw all the other TERRIBLE red flags on the her site too.

Then the OP doesnt even come back to comment, thank anyone for the input, DEFEND herself or anything!! To me, she has burried herself. I too dealt with a terrible breeder and she came on here and her actions spoke for her too. She was theatening me, lying, yada, yada, yada, and people saw right through her and could see for themselves by what she typed and why I found her so severly unethical!!.....Bottom line...the truth is in your actions luvmiyorkies......and your actions from the way you contradicted yourself between your first post and your what you say on your site all the way down to not just coming back and being willing to learn from your mistakes (which we all have and it's ok!).....that just is speaking louder to me than your original post.

Best of luck to us all....the one thing my mother taught me that I value the most, is to find my fault in EVERYTHING (be it small or large). Because then you learn and grow from your faults and become the better person for having the open mind to improve what you are doing.......just my personal thoughts on this...

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by love_me_cody

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. It's just someone mentioned that they will keep all the dogs in the pedigree away from the pedigree of their future dog.

But that is ok if that's what they want do I don't have a problem with that either. You see that is also being responsible. You just have to do what's best for your breeding program as long as it's the right way.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[EmrldShdwQueen]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

But that is ok if that's what they want do I don't have a problem with that either. You see that is also being responsible. You just have to do what's best for your breeding program as long as it's the right way.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Also, sometimes just a particular combination of a male and female can cause a genetic defect. It doesn't neccesarily mean you should eliminate ALL bloodlines, BUT they should all have proper testing, I would say at least 2 or 3 generations back to be safe. And if I couldn't go that far back I wouldn't chance it. It's just not worth the risk of them having sick babies. I care too much about mine to just let that go. Personally, in her case, the pups look HORRIBLE. I would spay/neuter them all and start over.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by EmrldShdwQueen

Also, sometimes just a particular combination of a male and female can cause a genetic defect. It doesn't neccesarily mean you should eliminate ALL bloodlines, BUT they should all have proper testing, I would say at least 2 or 3 generations back to be safe. And if I couldn't go that far back I wouldn't chance it. It's just not worth the risk of them having sick babies. I care too much about mine to just let that go. Personally, in her case, the pups look HORRIBLE. I would spay/neuter them all and start over.

I went to the sight and just my opinion there were red flags for me and just my opinion and that's they aren't my type of yorkie that I would be breeding. Testing, research and education is of the utmost importance. And if any genetic health issues arise take care of it. And as I've said...I can't get any clearer than I already have LOL...
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

P.S.
I got a call today from someone about her yorkie with possible liver shunts...I advised what I'd do and she was very appreciative! I felt good after our conversation knowing someone cared enough to call a yorkie breeder thru "AKC/YTCA" to ask questions! (of course after the vet visit and BAT's ran).

[bbrewser]

I am learning so much!!! You guys are great! I am kinda happy this went off topic!