Do you breeders really make no money at all from breeding??

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by SwimMom

That is a really broad statement and I'm sad that you feel that way about Doctors only being in the business for the money. My son is pre-med at Rice University and has wanted to be a Doctor since the time that he could articulate his thoughts. His words at 8 years of age, "I want to be able to make a difference in peoples lives". Two years ago he went through a major health crisis that had him in and out of the hospital for nearly a year. All during this time he re-established his desire to go into the medical field in order to serve his community. Granted, he is still in school now and has yet to hang his medical license. But. I can assure you that there are many people out there that have honorable and authentic intentions when they serve to heal.

I'm in vet school now, and yes, I hope to make a good living. But that is no where near the reason why I want to be a vet...I could make a LOT more money doing other things (things that don't take so many years of school and cost so much in tuition). I'm sure there are a few vets/doctors out there that only care about making money, but the majority are in it for other reasons.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by hha

Most likely Riley didn't like it, because he's never been socialized around children, and socializing them with children is very good...mine are all fantastic with my g-kids, even 4 1/2 pound Ginger is all over them when they come over...kids and dogs are actually very good for eachother...

Just because a dog has been socialized around children doesnt mean they will have a good demeanor with children.I have a female yorkie that Ive had since she was 8 weeks old and I have a 7 yr old. Jewels is fine when its just my Daughter in the house but when she has friends ver Jewels shakes growls and is basically miserable. She cant take the noisiness. Not all yorkies are good with children but it doesnt always have to do with socialization

[baby03]

My vet neuters at 4 months! I do consider her a good vet. Most of her colleagues do the same.


I agree not all yorkies are good around children. Mine are socialized but shy away from noisy loud kids!!

[hha]

Originally Posted by SwimMom

That is a really broad statement and I'm sad that you feel that way about Doctors only being in the business for the money. My son is pre-med at Rice University and has wanted to be a Doctor since the time that he could articulate his thoughts. His words at 8 years of age, "I want to be able to make a difference in peoples lives". Two years ago he went through a major health crisis that had him in and out of the hospital for nearly a year. All during this time he re-established his desire to go into the medical field in order to serve his community. Granted, he is still in school now and has yet to hang his medical license. But. I can assure you that there are many people out there that have honorable and authentic intentions when they serve to heal.

This is true..most Drs.(I'm NOT saying everyone), do NOT listen to you...Even my future d-i-l whom is in her last year of nursing school will tell you the same thing, they don't listen to anything you say...Example, I took my son to the hospital a few years back, he cracked his ankle, the Dr on call was told by me, he has broken his ankle before..so, a few min. later he comes back and says, has your son ever broke his ankle before, the bone Dr said there was a fracture to it at one time..Now, you tell me he listened to what I had just told him...So, I will stick with what I said, MOST DRS do NOT listen to what you tell them! But, they're happy to take your money!

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

I don't understand why more breeders don't have the puppies spayed/neutered before sending them to their new homes. More and more vets spay and neuter starting even as young as 6-8 weeks of age. Of course, that is mostly shelter animals at that age. But most of the vets I know of spay/neuter starting at 10, 12, or 16 weeks (differs from vet to vet) as long as the puppy/kitten is at least 2lbs.

There are no adverse effects to spaying and neutering this early...all studies have proven that it is safe and there are no long-term disadvantages. It would give the breeder piece-of-mind that the puppy has been altered before going to its new home.

My youngest Persian cat was spayed before I was able to bring her home from the breeder. I thought it was great...the spay was included in her purchase price and I didn't have to worry about having it done after bringing her home.

We had Tiffanie was our largest Yorkie being 13.2 lbs. at the time she was spayed 9/18/07 and it cost us $198.85!!!!
Previox 57 mg.(her pain reliever for here at home I think): $8.75
Anesthesia (General): $38.00
Anesthetic Monitoring: $8.00
Pre-OP Panel SA: $48.00
Spay-Canine 0-30 lbs.:$58.60
Metcacam Per CC-Injectable: $7.50
Rabies: $13.00
Canine Vaxx Adult: $17.00 (She was due for her yearly shots and they assured me it would not interfere with anything being done with her!! And it didn't!)
We also had to Pre-OP Panel this was up to us to have done and I wanted it done for it insures their kidneys will work proper & ??? they check for before they operate on her, they didn't want to get into the surgery and then something happen when this test could of told them before hand and maybe saved her life...So this test will be done on any Yorkies I ever get spayed/neutered in my home!!!
Now lets see take off her shots and rabies shot and what is the total: $168.85 that is what it would cost (Oh I could leave out the pain meds for them at home and allow them to suffer on their own but I wouldn't put my babies through this!!) for ALL puppies leaving my home!! So that is a lot of money when out of 7 puppies that was adopted out at the price of $500.00 (NONE HIGHER) and some as low as $300.00 for everyone thought that they was going to be over 8 lbs. in weight and some of them stayed in our home until the ages of 5 to 6 months old due to their mommy being bigger and everyone thinking that they ALL was gonna be larger babies when full grown which didn't turn out to be true at all 3 has turned out bigger and the other 5 turned out 4 to 7 lbs...So I'm adopting them out so cheep and just because I say cheep doesn't mean they are bad Yorkies or unhealthy Yorkies I mean due to their mothers size (Another reason they are on a spay/neuter contract to put a end to her line throwing larger babies & why I had Tiffanie spayed in the 1st place!!) all was and still are 100% healthy not a trouble one out of 10 babies or their parents!!! How can I afford to get them all spayed/neutered before they leave our home??? And our Vet will NOT touch them to spay/neuter them until they are at least 7 Months old told me it was just to dangerous due to their small breed size!! Now we're not even talking their shots, vet checks, wormers, food and just basic supplies here at home for me to care for them and we NEVER allow a Puppy to leave our home until they are 12 weeks old even larger Yorkie babies either!!!!This is just my thoughts tho as a breeder of adopting puppies out at a lower price. So once again no there's no money to be made!!!

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

I should clarify that I dont show my dogs or anything. My dogs are just pretty much, well, dogs, lol. They have free run of the house and just play all day. I really dont have to get up in the morning and do anything with them other than let them out to go potty and feed them. I get up at 6 am everyday, get a cup of coffee and read online till 630 , wake the kids, get the kids breakfast and to school by 745, come home, clean house and take care of the 2 (or 3 depending on the day) kids I have at home with me, do any running, pick up the kids at 245, help with homework, cook dinner, clean up and feed dogs again (and goat, lol, 4-h project), family time and off to bed. I dont need consecutive hours to care for my dogs. They get bathed as needed (right now its every couple of weeks, come spring it will be more often because of the mud), and brushed out as needed or whenever someone wants to (the kids love to!).

I'm not here saying it's bad I'm just sayin' I myself couldn't do it!! LOL! I don't show either and it is hard to keep any Yorkie and infants, toddlers and children up and going without killing ourselves!

[kathrynS]

Then why do you keep putting the poor mothers through this?????

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by hha

This is true..most Drs.(I'm NOT saying everyone), do NOT listen to you...Even my future d-i-l whom is in her last year of nursing school will tell you the same thing, they don't listen to anything you say...Example, I took my son to the hospital a few years back, he cracked his ankle, the Dr on call was told by me, he has broken his ankle before..so, a few min. later he comes back and says, has your son ever broke his ankle before, the bone Dr said there was a fracture to it at one time..Now, you tell me he listened to what I had just told him...So, I will stick with what I said, MOST DRS do NOT listen to what you tell them! But, they're happy to take your money!

How does one's experience with a few doctors gives them cause to say MOST doctors do not listen? (I'm assuming you haven't met the majority of the doctors in the country or world)

[MyPeanutAbbyGra]

Originally Posted by kathrynS

Hmmmmmm, There goes my brain thinking again. I think I'm confused about something. Because I only spent 450.00 for my baby who is healthy and fine and weighs 6 pounds. And mind ya he did come with all his papers, pics, he will never be good enough to show, not that I ever will. It seems to me the people who pay the big bucks are having alot of problems. Just wanted to know WHY my pup is not as good as the expensive ones. Or is it because I paid so little for him there should be something wrong with him? OK my brain hurts now. LOL I'm just glad I got him and I love him so much. Please god let him stay healthy.

Kathryn,
We were fortunate enough to have gotten a rescue Yorkie that was as healthy as a horse! He was such a hearty little guy and weighed only 5 lbs. 4.5 when he first came to us. Unfortunately, we lost him on Jan. 2 when he was hit by a car. I will never forgive myself for letting it happen.

My point is, I have no idea what his background was, where he came from or even exactly how old he was, but he was the friendliest, healthiest, sweetest little man that I've ever had the pleasure of being owned by...other than my flesh and blood son He didn't cost us a penny.

We're in the process of buying a Yorkie now from a breeder. I read about all the illnesses here and scares me to death! I never had that fear with Peanut. I hope I'm not jinxing myself.

[hha]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

How does one's experience with a few doctors gives them cause to say MOST doctors do not listen? (I'm assuming you haven't met the majority of the doctors in the country or world)

You know, I have family members all over, from Il, to Ky to here, and it's really funny, but, most Drs do NOT finish in the top of their class, and I think all of the ones that didn't are at least in these 3 states..it's not JUST that Dr. I have used a few here myself, and not once, do they listen to what you say, but, as I said, they are more than happy to take that cash out of your hands. Do you know that the ankle swelling I have is normal?? Humm, wonder why it's only in one ankle? And we won't do an xray, but, if it doesn't stop hurting in 2 weeks, come back and we'll do an xray, and then he'll be more than happy to put his hand out for my cash AGAIN....LOL

[SwimMom]

Originally Posted by hha

This is true..most Drs.(I'm NOT saying everyone), do NOT listen to you...Even my future d-i-l whom is in her last year of nursing school will tell you the same thing, they don't listen to anything you say...Example, I took my son to the hospital a few years back, he cracked his ankle, the Dr on call was told by me, he has broken his ankle before..so, a few min. later he comes back and says, has your son ever broke his ankle before, the bone Dr said there was a fracture to it at one time..Now, you tell me he listened to what I had just told him...So, I will stick with what I said, MOST DRS do NOT listen to what you tell them! But, they're happy to take your money!

Again, I will defer to the experience we had with our son and an entire year of having him in and out of the hospital, often in critical condition. He had a team of 7 specialist working on his case and believe me when I say the communication was key. Also understand that often times we would see one of those same Doctors at 6:30 AM and again at 9:30 PM. So, if I had to reiterate a symptom, or confirm what I said, or they said to me - then that is what I did. Communication is a two way street and as a patient, or a patient advocate part of that responsibility lies on you.

In the medical field, as in any profession you will find individuals that run the gamut from adequate to fabulous. It saddens me when blanket statements are made for an entire group. It was often one of the Doctors that hugged me when my son had once again taken a turn for the worse, or that would call me at 11:00 at night to make sure he had fallen asleep, or that cried with me when they wheeled him out of PICU and let us take him back home for the final time = cured. So, these same people that you say are ONLY in it for the money certainly showed me that often they are in it with their hearts...

[hha]

Originally Posted by SwimMom

Again, I will defer to the experience we had with our son and an entire year of having him in and out of the hospital, often in critical condition. He had a team of 7 specialist working on his case and believe me when I say the communication was key. Also understand that often times we would see one of those same Doctors at 6:30 AM and again at 9:30 PM. So, if I had to reiterate a symptom, or confirm what I said, or they said to me - then that is what I did. Communication is a two way street and as a patient, or a patient advocate part of that responsibility lies on you.

In the medical field, as in any profession you will find individuals that run the gamut from adequate to fabulous. It saddens me when blanket statements are made for an entire group. It was often one of the Doctors that hugged me when my son had once again taken a turn for the worse, or that would call me at 11:00 at night to make sure he had fallen asleep, or that cried with me when they wheeled him out of PICU and let us take him back home for the final time = cured. So, these same people that you say are ONLY in it for the money certainly showed me that often they are in it with their hearts...

It's a known fact, that most Drs do not finish in the top 10% of thier class..sure, there are good Drs out there, but, they're in the big cities, they're not in these little towns, they're going to go where the big bucks are! In 51 years, I've yet to find a Dr that will listen to what you tell them. Heck, my f-i-l was going to a supposed great Dr in Greenville, SC(one of our bigger cities down here), if they wouldn't have moved back up to Ill to a big city, he would have been dead by now, as he had an anurysm he had had for years..of course, these quacks down here, didn't even know how to find the problem that they should have been looking for..so, that's great, I'm happy you have some better Drs there..

[011011]

There is good DRs and there is bad DRs there is good vets and there is bad Vets .They do make one h...l of a good living,they may have crappy hours and work their butts off .I would take their income over mine in a heartbeat

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by MindieRose

I think this is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard, or close to it. If you have 2 or 3 children you shouldnt have a puppy? This makes no sense at all. I know people that have no kids that take horrible care of their animals, yet I shouldnt have a puppy because I have a lot of children that are young? Thats just ignorant. I am a stay at home mom, I am a youth group leader at my church, I teach a young womens class at church, my kids are in 4-h and I send them to a wonderful school that I drive them to everyday because they dont have bussing there, on top of the many many other things I do, and yet I still manage to provide great care for my 5 dogs that are our family members.
Theres your worms.

And I'm entitled to my opinion Again, whether you agree with it or not it's how I feel and that's about all I can say! I didn't say all children I said "SMALL" children and what I consider small is toddlers. I do place my pups in a home if the child is over 8.
I'm glad that you do all you do more power to you! I couldn't do all that and devote time and energy to raising my show dogs and go to shows. But again, I'm entitled to my opinion!
Donna Bird
Brookynn's Yorkshire Terriers
Donna Bird
Brookynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by kathrynS

Has anyone thought how the poor mommy feels about giving birth time after time only to have her babies taking away from her. That would be the day I would give birth and someone tried to take my baby away. Thats why I would never breed. Because my pup is a member of my family. I could never give or sell their children. It would be like selling one of my grandchildren. You say you would die for your yorkies. But you don't think about how much it hurts them when you sell or give their children away.

I've watched my momma's with their pups and I've watched them closely as their pups have left to go to their new homes. You would be surprised at their reaction, actually at their lack of reaction. I have a core pack of 5 right now and 2 pups from my last litter that I'm holding for show potential that are 4 months old. The adults have a tendency to pair off and everyone is patient with the pups but they don't really bond with them. Their mother still plays with them on occasion but is more interested in the adults in the pack and the puppies pretty much entertain each other. My gals seem to enjoy their roles as moms but by the time the pups are 12 weeks old they are starting to get on mom's nerves. It's kinda like when your kids grow up. I loved having my kids in my home but I didn't have them so that they could live with me forever. My 24 year old is on his own and I must admit that I will be more than ready when my 21 year old strikes out on her own!