Reputable Parti Breeders?

[sierrapups]

Jeanie,
First off, you don't answer my questions either. I also would like to know why you are so adamant about the Biewers? Am I mistaken or do you own Partis? Do you have Biewers?
We are now breeding 3rd and 4th generations of Biewers amongst our club members and have a pretty good idea of how the Biewers are turning out. We also have tested not only the first lines that came from Germany put also the grandpups. That is 3 generations and now are working on the 4th generation.
Our generations are 2nd, 3rd and 4th born in America.
What some don't know is that Mars scientists contacted us not the other way around. This was done because they were fascinated by these dogs because of how they were testing out against Yorkies and other breeds.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

Jeanie,
First off, you don't answer my questions either. I also would like to know why you are so adamant about the Biewers? Am I mistaken or do you own Partis? Do you have Biewers?
We are now breeding 3rd and 4th generations of Biewers amongst our club members and have a pretty good idea of how the Biewers are turning out. We also have tested not only the first lines that came from Germany put also the grandpups. That is 3 generations and now are working on the 4th generation.
Our generations are 2nd, 3rd and 4th born in America.
What some don't know is that Mars scientists contacted us not the other way around. This was done because they were fascinated by these dogs because of how they were testing out against Yorkies and other breeds.

Did you ask me a question?

what do you mean why am I so adament about the biewers? If you tell me what you mean i will definitely try to answer.

The Mars testing means nothing to me. The information that they give will not get any dog accepted by the AKC if the breeders of those dogs cannot say what breed those dogs are.

[sierrapups]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Did you ask me a question?

what do you mean why am I so adament about the biewers? If you tell me what you mean i will definitely try to answer.

The Mars testing means nothing to me. The information that they give will not get any dog accepted by the AKC if the breeders of those dogs cannot say what breed those dogs are.

I don't wish to start a tit for tat with you. I hope that is not your intention, although it seems to be.
Again you did not answer my questions.
The Mars testing should mean nothing to you if you do not own Biewers. That is why it seems as though you are only trying to rile people up about something you don't have any direct connection to. Your prime concern should be that the Partis remain what you claim they are and not ever be cross bred to the Biewers as the Biewer Terrier is truly a breed of its own.
The Mars tests results are being revealed to the people that are pertinent to advancement of our breed.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

I don't wish to start a tit for tat with you. I hope that is not your intention, although it seems to be.
Again you did not answer my questions.
The Mars testing should mean nothing to you if you do not own Biewers. That is why it seems as though you are only trying to rile people up about something you don't have any direct connection to. Your prime concern should be that the Partis remain what you claim they are and not ever be cross bred to the Biewers as the Biewer Terrier is truly a breed of its own.
The Mars tests results are being revealed to the people that are pertinent to advancement of our breed.

I am sorry, I am normally an intelligent woman and fairly coherent in the english language, but I do not see a question.

All I see is you making a bunch of inuendos about what my intentions are and what they should be.

If you have as question, please ask it and i will answer it if I can. if you have an answer as to what these dogs are if not Biewer yorkshire terriers, then please answer.

If you do not know what they are then please just say so.

I am sure our audience is sitting there with bated breath waiting for the answer.

[sierrapups]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I am sorry, I am normally an intelligent woman and fairly coherent in the english language, but I do not see a question.

All I see is you making a bunch of inuendos about what my intentions are and what they should be.

If you have as question, please ask it and i will answer it if I can. if you have an answer as to what these dogs are if not Biewer yorkshire terriers, then please answer.

If you do not know what they are then please just say so.

I am sure our audience is sitting there with bated breath waiting for the answer.

How sad, this is why information cannot be exchanged on here. There are always some just waiting to attack rather than "sit back with bated breath" and try and learn something. I give up. You can argue with some one else about your issues.

[AprilLove]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

How sad, this is why information cannot be exchanged on here. There are always some just waiting to attack rather than "sit back with bated breath" and try and learn something. I give up. You can argue with some one else about your issues.

Yes you are correct. Who those people might be is as simple as reading through this thread

[Snow Yorkies]

Originally Posted by Pruett

She was astounded over the fact that Sue Williams had the audacity to try to tell her what she should do and how she should think. She is wondering who the heck this person thinks she is.

When did Mrs Biewer state that her and I had a conversation?

[Obie]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I am sorry, I am normally an intelligent woman and fairly coherent in the english language, but I do not see a question.

All I see is you making a bunch of inuendos about what my intentions are and what they should be.

If you have as question, please ask it and i will answer it if I can. if you have an answer as to what these dogs are if not Biewer yorkshire terriers, then please answer.

If you do not know what they are then please just say so.

I am sure our audience is sitting there with bated breath waiting for the answer.

Your audience has already PM'd me and I thank you for your posts. Sad, but you do not understand nor choose to. After reading all your posts you do not understand genetics. You are, as I said, stuck in limbo. However, your parti does not concern us. You have what you set out to achieve, breeding and selling parti Yorkshire Terriers. We have not purchased "Parti Yorkies." We have, what no other breeder wanting to establish a new breed, has accomplished. All you have to do now is sit back and watch. I can tell by your response to my original post you do not understand the making of a new breed, nor genetics. However, I wish you well.

To those who are registering Biewer Terriers with the Biewer Terrier Registry of America are impacting on the "Biewer Marker." We do not sell inferior dogs. We are selling "Biewer Terriers." It is important to understand this. If you are selling Biewer a la pom pons than I would suggest you continue registering with IBC so as not to confuse the public. However, if you are selling Biewer Terriers, stay with the breeders who have established the marker and are making an impact on this breed. Otherwise you are selling inferior dogs.

[EnchantedToi]

Originally Posted by Obie

Your audience has already PM'd me and I thank you for your posts. Sad, but you do not understand nor choose to. After reading all your posts you do not understand genetics. You are, as I said, stuck in limbo. However, your parti does not concern us. You have what you set out to achieve, breeding and selling parti Yorkshire Terriers. We have not purchased "Parti Yorkies." We have, what no other breeder wanting to establish a new breed, has accomplished. All you have to do now is sit back and watch. I can tell by your response to my original post you do not understand the making of a new breed, nor genetics. However, I wish you well.

To those who are registering Biewer Terriers with the Biewer Terrier Registry of America are impacting on the "Biewer Marker." We do not sell inferior dogs. We are selling "Biewer Terriers." It is important to understand this. If you are selling Biewer a la pom pons than I would suggest you continue registering with IBC so as not to confuse the public. However, if you are selling Biewer Terriers, stay with the breeders who have established the marker and are making an impact on this breed. Otherwise you are selling inferior dogs.

Are you suggesting that only those who have "Biewer Terriers" have superior dogs?
And those who have Biewers have inferior dogs?
I think Jeanie had some excellent questions


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Gayle, Why won't you answer the questions that many of us have asked?

What is your dog a product of, if not Yorkshire Terriers?

Which registry are the Biewer Terriers registered with, and which breed are they registered as?

If you cannot, or will not answer these questions how is anyone supposed to give anything you say any credibility?

You can't just say they are not yorkies without having them be something else.

I believe you when you say YOUR particular Biewers, (not all Biewers) are not purebred yorkies. I am not arguing that point. I'd just like to know what makes yours different from those that ARE purebred yorkshire Terriers.

It's a simple question, if you don't have the answer then say you don't and explain what you are doing to get the answer.

I believe you all are putting way to much confidence in a testing agency that clearly states that it is not capable of testing for purebred dogs.

A lot of money is being wasted on tests that are meaningless, until the AKC says they will accept these test results as proof that you have created a new breed.

People have been developing new breeds for years long before DNA and Mars testing etc. The AKC requires that certain steps be followed and I have seen nothing that says The AKC will allow you to establish a new breed by bypassing those steps.
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[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

One of the first question that eople ask is if a dog is AKC. I know there are frauds out there and that is a shame. But it matters to me and it matters to other people. you have no knwoledge of how much i paid for my dogs, but I personally would not pay anything for a dog that the owner could not tell me what breed the dog is.

You may find this hard to believe, but, I've been around dogs all 52 years of my life. Now, in the 32 years I've been married, I've had probably 15 dogs, do you know how many times I've asked if they're AKC? NOT ONCE! I have always taken the papers I get to register them and put them in a box. I had one pomeranian that I was going to send in for the papers on, but, when I started questioning this dog and sent AKC pictures, they gave me the run around, so, that told me that AKC was a joke, and I never had anything to do with them again. Like I said, AKC doesn't mean anything to me personally. I would love to see the Biewers be able to become AKC, not really for myself, but, for Gayle and the other ones who have been working so hard on this.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

One of the first question that eople ask is if a dog is AKC. I know there are frauds out there and that is a shame. But it matters to me and it matters to other people. you have no knwoledge of how much i paid for my dogs, but I personally would not pay anything for a dog that the owner could not tell me what breed the dog is.

I know what breed my dog is. It's a BIEWER TERRIER
Now, a few years back before I knew anything about biewers, I checked in to a parti, and was told $5000..I said FORGET IT. I would never pay that much for any dog, when I don't breed, show or even register them, and why would I pay that much for a dog that shouldn't even be being bred to begin with. Why would someone breed something over and over that was a fault(according to AKC) and then selling them for more than what yorkies or biewers sell for?

[phfgkl]

What I would like to know is, how many generations does it take to get a purebred?

[qraven]

I made a call to AKC today along with some other people. We all were told the same thing the Biewer Terrier is not even up for consideration for acceptance into FSS as it nothing more than a party colored yorkie.


Not going to argue it if you want to know then call AKC and get it from the horses mouth.

[EnchantedToi]

Originally Posted by Pruett

I see Sue has not come back with any other results, why is that? Jan you might want to ask Nancy for the results on her dogs that we paid to have tested.

Thank you Gayle.. I contacted Nancy and asked her to share her results as per your request.
She would have loved to shared her results........ However, she has stated that you would not release her paperwork to her.
If you would like her to contact you request the release of those results again... she would be happy to.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

How sad, this is why information cannot be exchanged on here. There are always some just waiting to attack rather than "sit back with bated breath" and try and learn something. I give up. You can argue with some one else about your issues.

I only see one person arguing on here and it isn't me.

What question did you ask me that I have not answered?

And why won't you answer my questions?

I have not attacked anyone, all I have done is ask questions, and i will continue to ask them.

If your Biewers are not yorkies, what are they?

Are they registered? and which breed are they registered as?

And what are you people trying to hide?