Reputable Parti Breeders?

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

LOL...I'm not ducking for anyone. It's the information the company themselves give you. I daresay I hold more stock in that, the company that developed it, than in someone using it as to back their own claims and justify what their own motives. It's not a collection of information regarding the subject "inside information" to just a select few. To tell you the truth, the whole bit and walking on eggshells around the subject is getting just a bit old for my taste.

Not sure when the last time you talk to any of the Scientist at MARS was, but maybe you would like to try them again. Specifically ask for info about the Biewer Terrier.

I don't understand what is so hard to figure out about how the testing is done with the Wisdom Panel. Do you think they went out and gathered the DNA from thousands of mutts?????
I believe they state they have the genetic profile of 153 purebred dogs.

WISDOM Panel

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Those who claim that the Biewers are a separate breed from yorkshire Terriers and had them DNA'd to prove it. that is who said..

Not sure what you're looking for here. Are you asking a question?

Not sure what you want me to have mine tested for. They came from the line that was DNA'd by the AKC. They are descendents of the first registered parti color yorkie who was sired by Champion Nikko's Rolls Royce Ashely.

I am not afraid to have mine tested but not sure what information you would get except that they are who the records say they are.

Now I challenge you to back up any statments you make about the parti colored yorkshire Terriers.

What information do you have? Where did you get the information? has that information been substantiated or is it just hearsay? Have you researched this topic at all?

Prove to me that the parti gene does did not exist in the original yorkshire terrier and that no show breeder has ever had a parti colored puppy.

Or just come up with anything that shows that it is more likely than not that the above mentioned are not true.

What did I say about the Parti Yorkie? I just asked how much you think they will be worth when the Biewer Terrier is accepted and if you would test yours.

As far as research goes, I would have to say I have more than likely did more research than most.

I have to agree with Carl Yochum when he says that the Parti Yorkie should look exactly like a Yorkie except the coloring. Do you think they look exactly like Yorkies?

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Not sure what you're looking for here. Are you asking a question?

What did I say about the Parti Yorkie? I just asked how much you think they will be worth when the Biewer Terrier is accepted and if you would test yours.

As far as research goes, I would have to say I have more than likely did more research than most.

I have to agree with Carl Yochum when he says that the Parti Yorkie should look exactly like a Yorkie except the coloring. Do you think they look exactly like Yorkies?

Not only does the Wisdom test say it's not a test for purebred dogs (why will it give false readings if you test a purebred), but doesn't it only test back accurately for 3 (?) generations? Most of the Nikko line dogs have 4-5 or more generations back to Nikkos Rolls Royce Ashley where the gene started showing (and wasn't kept in the closet any longer).

I agree that a parti yorkie should look just like a yorkie except for color, that's what I am striving for and that's what all breeders should strive for.
I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I believe a parti yorkie can and should look like a yorkie - here's one of my boys. I also believe a traditional yorkie should look like a yorkie :-)

[4lilyorks]

Mars has said it can not tell if any other breed in the Biewer Terrier. They have found a genetic difference in the Biewers tested but can not tell if it is just a color gene (i.e. piebald gene) making the difference. I could easily run out and get my Biewer's tested but at this point until they tell me they can 100% tell me what is the point of waisting money.

Dear Ms. Miller,

Mars Veterinary has detected using both the Wisdom Panel MX test, and other scientific analysis that all the Biewer Terriers submitted to us for testing had a similar, but distinct, genetic signature to the Purebred Yorkshire Terriers we have tested. It is not possible for us to definitively state with current knowledge and technology what (if any) other breeds than Yorkshire Terrier were present in the foundation of the Biewer terriers pedigrees and what gene (or genes) are causing the distinctive coloration seen in the Biewer terriers. All we can say is that Biewer Terriers share closest genetic similarity to Yorkshire Terriers than they do to any other breed that the Wisdom Panel can detect. The question of which dogs founded the Biewer Terrier pedigree is more a question for the Biewer Terrier founder breeders. All we can state is that all Biewer Terriers tested with Wisdom Panel MX contain a significant amount of signature match to the Yorkshire Terrier, often with minor matches to other breeds including in some dogs - Japanese Chin and Maltese breed signatures amongst others.

It is clearly a matter for the various global Kennel Clubs and Breed clubs to determine what is and isn't a breed in their eyes, and also to draw up the breed standards and qualifying measures to determine which individual dogs are considered to be members of breeds.

I hope that I have gone some way to answering your questions. If you have any more, or would like further information, then please feel free to reply directly to me or to get in touch with our customer care team at customercare@marsveterinary.com or 888-K9 PET TEST (1-888-597-3883).

Regards,
Neale Fretwell
Mars Veterinary

Here is part of another email that was sent before this one.

What this means for your dogs is that, if taken now, the results of the Wisdom Panel MX test will predominantly be reported as Yorkshire Terrier with elements of other minor or trace breeds. At the present time, we do not recommend the test as an arbiter of the purity of any given pedigree.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Not sure when the last time you talk to any of the Scientist at MARS was, but maybe you would like to try them again. Specifically ask for info about the Biewer Terrier.

I don't understand what is so hard to figure out about how the testing is done with the Wisdom Panel. Do you think they went out and gathered the DNA from thousands of mutts?????
I believe they state they have the genetic profile of 153 purebred dogs.

WISDOM Panel

The converstations I've had with them and the information I have recieved have all been within recent months. It's something I found interesting and wanted to learn more about. Anytime it is questioned here, it infuriates the masses who hold a vested interest in it. After a while, trying to decipher one-sided answers that sound more like riddles gets old, so I decided to seek an unbiased explanation and went directly to the source for myself. Anyone can do the same and I would urge anyone curious to do just that.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

It's irrelevant in any case Jeanie. If your dogs ARE pure Yorkie, and I have no reason to believe otherwise nor do I have any vested interest in it, the test would be irrelevant. It was not designed for purebred dogs nor would the results from testing a purebred dog be accurate or valid.

Well I don't believe I have to prove anything to anyone, at this point anyway. I just thought Pruett might enlighten me on to what I COULD prove with a test.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Not sure what you're looking for here. Are you asking a question?

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I was answering your question. "Who said it didn't show any yorkshire terrier"

[phfgkl]

I do have a question, why is it that partis tend to cost more than biewers? The partis to me tend to have too much white on them, and I hardly ever see any black. I've seen them going for like $5000. As far as gayle pruett, believe me, she knows her stuff! I have met Gayle and she is one of the smartest/sweetest women, I've ever met.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Pruett

Not sure what you're looking for here. Are you asking a question?

What did I say about the Parti Yorkie? I just asked how much you think they will be worth when the Biewer Terrier is accepted and if you would test yours.

As far as research goes, I would have to say I have more than likely did more research than most.

I have to agree with Carl Yochum when he says that the Parti Yorkie should look exactly like a Yorkie except the coloring. Do you think they look exactly like Yorkies?

If you have nothing against the partis, and you know absolutely nothing about me or my partis, why are you challenging me to have mine tested?

Do mine look like yorkies? What kind of a question is that? Mine not only look like yorkies, they ARE yorkies.

And as far as their worth. What is that all about? Why does it matter to you what my dogs are worth?

When debating an issue it is best to stick to the issue and not start challengig people personally.

What is the issue anyway?

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

If you have nothing against the partis, and you know absolutely nothing about me or my partis, why are you challenging me to have mine tested?

Do mine look like yorkies? What kind of a question is that? Mine not only look like yorkies, they ARE yorkies.

And as far as their worth. What is that all about? Why does it matter to you what my dogs are worth?

When debating an issue it is best to stick to the issue and not start challengig people personally.

What is the issue anyway?

I know this was for Gayle, but, that dog in the avatar does NOT look like a yorkie to me.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

I do have a question, why is it that partis tend to cost more than biewers? The partis to me tend to have too much white on them, and I hardly ever see any black. I've seen them going for like $5000. As far as gayle pruett, believe me, she knows her stuff! I have met Gayle and she is one of the smartest/sweetest women, I've ever met.

I'm not sure why the partis cost more. My guess is because they are AKC and Biewers are not. Maybe it's a matter of supply and demand. Perhaps more people prefer the looks or more people want them to be AKC.

Maybe it's because the Biewer breeders appear to be unclear as to what breed of dog they have. some say yorkie, some say not yorkie. well if not yorkie then what are they? Where did they come from? And if they are not yorkie how can they mate them to yorkies?

I'm very confused on the Biewer thing. at least us parti breeders are clear on what the partis are, even if no one else is.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

I know this was for Gayle, but, that dog in the avatar does NOT look like a yorkie to me.

There are two dogs in the avatar. what is it about them that does not look yorkie? The face is yorkie, the ears are yorkie, the coat is yorkie, their color breaks like a yorkie.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I'm not sure why the partis cost more. My guess is because they are AKC and Biewers are not. Maybe it's a matter of supply and demand. Perhaps more people prefer the looks or more people want them to be AKC.

Maybe it's because the Biewer breeders appear to be unclear as to what breed of dog they have. some say yorkie, some say not yorkie. well if not yorkie then what are they? Where did they come from? And if they are not yorkie how can they mate them to yorkies?

I'm very confused on the Biewer thing. at least us parti breeders are clear on what the partis are, even if no one else is.

Excuse me, but, I have 2 biewers, the first one I question, but, I got him from a woman I would NEVER recommend. The last one I got was from a fantastic breeder, and she is the most beautiful little pup I have ever seen, and not to be mean, but, I don't like the looks of the partis, and that's why I can't figure out why they cost so much more.. nothing to do with AKC, as if they are parti yorkies, then, they should cost less than a yorkie, as they can't be shown, etc(you know the "rare" thing) that I don't fall for. To me, the biewer should cost a lot more than the parti, as they are recongized as a breed of their own now

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Excuse me, but, I have 2 biewers, the first one I question, but, I got him from a woman I would NEVER recommend. The last one I got was from a fantastic breeder, and she is the most beautiful little pup I have ever seen, and not to be mean, but, I don't like the looks of the partis, and that's why I can't figure out why they cost so much more.. nothing to do with AKC, as if they are parti yorkies, then, they should cost less than a yorkie, as they can't be shown, etc(you know the "rare" thing) that I don't fall for. To me, the biewer should cost a lot more than the parti, as they are recongized as a breed of their own now

Not sure what the Excuse Me is for. You asked me a question I gave you my opinion. If you don't like the looks of the parti, then you don't like them. I've seen some ugly traditionals and some ugly partis and some ugly Biewers. But I've also seen beautiful one is all categories.

As for why people are willing to pay more, for myself, it was the AKC issue because I wanted to breed them and people want AKC. As for the "rare", I've never thought of them as "rare" just unusual and beautiful.

As for the Biewers being recognized as a breed of their own. That is true, but not by the AKC.

And FYI Partis can be shown in other registries just like the Biewers, just not AKc.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Not sure what the Excuse Me is for. You asked me a question I gave you my opinion. If you don't like the looks of the parti, then you don't like them. I've seen some ugly traditionals and some ugly partis and some ugly Biewers. But I've also seen beautiful one is all categories.

As for why people are willing to pay more, for myself, it was the AKC issue because I wanted to breed them and people want AKC. As for the "rare", I've never thought of them as "rare" just unusual and beautiful.

As for the Biewers being recognized as a breed of their own. That is true, but not by the AKC.

And FYI Partis can be shown in other registries just like the Biewers, just not AKc.

So, why would someone pay more for an AKC when it states right on their site that partis are a fault? I wouldn't pay more for an AKC if they had a fault