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12-11-2014, 01:32 PM | #1 |
T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England
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| Titers and evidence Intersting article... Basically saying titers are not all that useful. That has been my opinion for a while, but I always like to read updated info when I see it. I'll stick with vaccination. Antibody Titer Testing as a Guide for Vaccination in Dogs and Cats | The SkeptVet
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12-11-2014, 01:45 PM | #2 | |
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12-11-2014, 04:43 PM | #3 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| Thanks for posting this when I get I few minutes I will read it. I have tried to warm people about them being that way before. My vet feels the same way and most of what I read does too.
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12-12-2014, 05:21 AM | #4 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | I've said over and over that there is no real point to titering as the result doesn't actually mean anything, so I agree with this article. Basically with titers, you can have a positive titer and still be susceptible to the disease. You could have a negative titer and actually be immune to the disease.
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12-12-2014, 05:42 AM | #5 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Also...I should've said - you can have cell mediated immunity, but no humoral immunity and vice versa...again, pointing the to the futility of titer results.
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12-12-2014, 08:54 PM | #6 | |
Action Jackson ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Maryland
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I'll stick to "neither" Not "No Vaccines" but I won't be vaccinating yearly, or even every 3 years, for anything other than rabies and I also won't be titering. See no need.
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12-12-2014, 09:33 PM | #7 |
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| Thanks for posting this. I do titers and now I may not anymore. I don't vaccinate annually either.
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12-13-2014, 05:33 AM | #8 |
T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England
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| I'm glad people are finding the article as interesting as I did. The fact is that very few people know how immunity and vaccines work yet are highly opinionated on this subject. Since distemper is resurging around here, I'm opting to continue vaccination every 3 yrs in my younger dogs until their shots at age 7. Rabies as required by law for all my dogs, two will be done at age 15.... I'm not worried in the slightest as all this fear hype over vaccines hasn't prevented my Yorkies from living to be old and healthy.
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12-13-2014, 07:10 AM | #9 |
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| There have been outbreaks of distemper and more parvo, so I'm going to have Max (age 6) and Teddy (will be 6 in June) vaccinated for them one more time. Our vet insists on either the vaccination or the titer. I have read other articles that challenge the usefulness of titers, so I was not excited about paying for something that isn't more reliable.
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12-13-2014, 08:22 AM | #10 | |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Quote:
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12-13-2014, 09:18 AM | #11 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| Gave up on titers after realizing that I was paying for unnecessary and inconclusive labs. Titering years after vaccinating is not actually what they are designed for anyway. Here, rabies per the law unless pup gets a serious immune mediated disease - then medical exemption. After being around the beheading of animals for rabies testing because an owner decided against vaccinating...I'll vaccinate. Distemper/parvo until I feel like stopping (very unscientific, but something I put a lot of thought into). We are a 5 year hospital anyway. The AAHA has established that is more than enough.
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12-13-2014, 11:21 AM | #12 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| Callie got Dap every three years and now that she is 7 I won't be getting it for her anymore. I will still do the 3 year rabies because of the law. I'm not sure what to do with Sammy though he is 8 and because he is a rescue I have no idea of his past so not sure if he should get dap any more or not.
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12-15-2014, 12:34 AM | #13 | |
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This is interesting! I did not know this..so, in theory, Teddy should have to have no further vaccinations which cover the above after age six (the UK doesn't have rabies)? Can you point me to any specific studies so I can query with the vet, please? As per another post, I mentioned he is a very huge advocate of vaccinations so it would be interesting to get his take on anything you have suggesting their efficacy is null after a certain age... Thank you! | |
12-15-2014, 02:11 AM | #14 |
♥ Piccolo & Vivi ♥ Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kentucky
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| Interesting. I had Piccolo take a titer test when I first had to stop having her take vaccinations. My vet really wasn't that much for the titers, but I insisted. It has been 7 years since Piccolo had her near death situation from vaccines. Keeping my fingers crossed that she will never catch anything due to lack of vaccines. I do keep her out of public dog places and my other dogs are up to date on their vaccines. Anyway, I think I got a little off track about the subject. Thanks for educating us on titers.
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12-16-2014, 09:38 PM | #15 | ||
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