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107barney 12-11-2014 01:32 PM

Titers and evidence
 
Intersting article...
Basically saying titers are not all that useful. That has been my opinion for a while, but I always like to read updated info when I see it. I'll stick with vaccination.

Antibody Titer Testing as a Guide for Vaccination in Dogs and Cats | The SkeptVet

megansmomma 12-11-2014 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4512565)
Intersting article...
Basically saying titers are not all that useful. That has been my opinion for a while, but I always like to read updated info when I see it. I'll stick with vaccination.

Antibody Titer Testing as a Guide for Vaccination in Dogs and Cats | The SkeptVet

As will I :thumbup:

Lovetodream88 12-11-2014 04:43 PM

Thanks for posting this when I get I few minutes I will read it. I have tried to warm people about them being that way before. My vet feels the same way and most of what I read does too.

Wylie's Mom 12-12-2014 05:21 AM

I've said over and over that there is no real point to titering as the result doesn't actually mean anything, so I agree with this article.

Basically with titers, you can have a positive titer and still be susceptible to the disease. You could have a negative titer and actually be immune to the disease.

Wylie's Mom 12-12-2014 05:42 AM

Also...I should've said - you can have cell mediated immunity, but no humoral immunity and vice versa...again, pointing the to the futility of titer results.

Britster 12-12-2014 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4512759)
I've said over and over that there is no real point to titering as the result doesn't actually mean anything, so I agree with this article.

Basically with titers, you can have a positive titer and still be susceptible to the disease. You could have a negative titer and actually be immune to the disease.

:thumbup::thumbup:

I'll stick to "neither" :p

Not "No Vaccines" but I won't be vaccinating yearly, or even every 3 years, for anything other than rabies and I also won't be titering. See no need.

AllDogBoots 12-12-2014 09:33 PM

Thanks for posting this. I do titers and now I may not anymore. I don't vaccinate annually either.

107barney 12-13-2014 05:33 AM

I'm glad people are finding the article as interesting as I did. The fact is that very few people know how immunity and vaccines work yet are highly opinionated on this subject. Since distemper is resurging around here, I'm opting to continue vaccination every 3 yrs in my younger dogs until their shots at age 7. Rabies as required by law for all my dogs, two will be done at age 15.... I'm not worried in the slightest as all this fear hype over vaccines hasn't prevented my Yorkies from living to be old and healthy.

Maximo 12-13-2014 07:10 AM

There have been outbreaks of distemper and more parvo, so I'm going to have Max (age 6) and Teddy (will be 6 in June) vaccinated for them one more time.

Our vet insists on either the vaccination or the titer. I have read other articles that challenge the usefulness of titers, so I was not excited about paying for something that isn't more reliable.

Wylie's Mom 12-13-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4513073)
There have been outbreaks of distemper and more parvo, so I'm going to have Max (age 6) and Teddy (will be 6 in June) vaccinated for them one more time.

Our vet insists on either the vaccination or the titer. I have read other articles that challenge the usefulness of titers, so I was not excited about paying for something that isn't more reliable.

This is basically how I am too -- after age 6 or so, they should have lifetime immunity, according to the studies so after that age - I'll just be getting rabies by law.

Ellie May 12-13-2014 09:18 AM

Gave up on titers after realizing that I was paying for unnecessary and inconclusive labs. Titering years after vaccinating is not actually what they are designed for anyway.

Here, rabies per the law unless pup gets a serious immune mediated disease - then medical exemption. After being around the beheading of animals for rabies testing because an owner decided against vaccinating...I'll vaccinate.

Distemper/parvo until I feel like stopping (very unscientific, but something I put a lot of thought into). We are a 5 year hospital anyway. The AAHA has established that is more than enough.

Lovetodream88 12-13-2014 11:21 AM

Callie got Dap every three years and now that she is 7 I won't be getting it for her anymore. I will still do the 3 year rabies because of the law. I'm not sure what to do with Sammy though he is 8 and because he is a rescue I have no idea of his past so not sure if he should get dap any more or not.

SirTeddykins 12-15-2014 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4513090)
This is basically how I am too -- after age 6 or so, they should have lifetime immunity, according to the studies so after that age - I'll just be getting rabies by law.


This is interesting! I did not know this..so, in theory, Teddy should have to have no further vaccinations which cover the above after age six (the UK doesn't have rabies)? Can you point me to any specific studies so I can query with the vet, please? As per another post, I mentioned he is a very huge advocate of vaccinations so it would be interesting to get his take on anything you have suggesting their efficacy is null after a certain age...


Thank you!

Lisa and Pic 12-15-2014 02:11 AM

Interesting.

I had Piccolo take a titer test when I first had to stop having her take vaccinations. My vet really wasn't that much for the titers, but I insisted.

It has been 7 years since Piccolo had her near death situation from vaccines. Keeping my fingers crossed that she will never catch anything due to lack of vaccines. I do keep her out of public dog places and my other dogs are up to date on their vaccines.

Anyway, I think I got a little off track about the subject. Thanks for educating us on titers.

Britster 12-16-2014 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4513073)
There have been outbreaks of distemper and more parvo, so I'm going to have Max (age 6) and Teddy (will be 6 in June) vaccinated for them one more time.

Our vet insists on either the vaccination or the titer. I have read other articles that challenge the usefulness of titers, so I was not excited about paying for something that isn't more reliable.

I have been debating on whether or not to just get Jackson one more of the distemper/parvo as well. He is 6 now, last ones were at 1 year old, so it would be on the technical 5 year schedule some hospitals are slowly moving to. I'm not overly concerned in any way - he's in public places all the time, exposed to other dogs, etc, and is/has been fine. But I know as he gets older, I'm *definitely* not going to want to do them again, so maybe getting them one more time could simply keep me somewhat... with a peace of mind? Because I know if I decide to get them one more time, he'll never get them again, for the rest of his life. And I know one round of DP isn't going to harm him, either. But I don't know, I just find them somewhat redundant. I don't really see parvo or distemper being an issue in my adult vaccinated dog and think the odds are pretty slim. But like I said vaccinating one more time in his hopefully 8-10 more years of life isn't going to 'hurt' him either... so it's going to end up being a 'eh, might as well' type thing if I get him one more boost.

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Parvovirus vaccination probably lasts for life if good immunity is ever achieved. In most dogs, a single injection of a modified live parvovirus vaccine given after twelve weeks of age (new high titer vaccines) or sixteen weeks of age (older vaccines) will confer immunity. The one year booster shot should strongly bolster this and if a puppy didn't respond properly to the puppy vaccinations for some reason (like having a heavy parasite load or another viral illness) the one year vaccination should provide good immunity. This means that a dog that has had the puppy series and/or any boosters of that series should have good immunity unless its immune system just doesn't respond properly.


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