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02-21-2015, 01:02 PM | #16 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Interesting article by Skeptvet. It rather seems like titers are useless, and we should just go with what-ever the vaccination protocol is. He merely makes a statement that there are no scientific studies showing any negative effect of vaccines. Perhaps this is true, but I find that hard to believe. We have no mandatory double reporting to an independent body about vaccine reactions. And more importantly the long term effects of over-vaccination. Vets if they do report - report to the vaccine company... I would hope that in the future pet owners can rely upon an improvement of scientific evidence that clearly states if this pet or not is protected against the core vaccines commonly given. Quite simply as a pet owner, why give an un-necessary vaccine - if it is indeed un-necessary.
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02-21-2015, 01:11 PM | #17 |
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| My vet doesn't recommend titers. I have to get bordatella every year or the groomer will not groom. Also, if boarding is required then bordatella is required. I hate getting the annual shots for Zoey/Jackson but it seems to be a necessity.
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02-21-2015, 01:31 PM | #18 |
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| Laymen making decisions such as vaccinating their pets and children on hunches, feelings, or self believe this is when we run into issues like the current Measles outbreak in the US. Vaccinate your kids and your animals or we will slip back into a time when diseases that we now consider to be eliminated or under control will continue to creep back. Mark my words, all of the crazies that follow holistic and homeopathy will keep beating back immunity. I prefer science based medicine.
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02-21-2015, 01:46 PM | #19 | |
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02-21-2015, 02:13 PM | #20 | |
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So do I actually. We also have a mild outbreak of Measles here in Canada. More science is needed to actually justify the current vaccination protocol. Why 3 yrs or 5 yrs or 1 yr for any vaccine? What science based studies base these recommendations on? Surely they will be some to show that immunity lapses after what-ever number of years. And if so, what do these studies base the immunity lapse on - what are they looking at to adjudge immunity has lapsed? I believe in give what is necessary and only necessary based on the best evidence that is current.
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02-21-2015, 02:58 PM | #21 | |
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02-21-2015, 03:00 PM | #22 | |
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When I went back to school in for a career in the medical field and then had my first job entering hospitals the first that that I needed to prove was my vaccination record. Obviously, being in my 30's who knows where those record ended up and the pediatrician long ago closed up shop. So off I went to have my titers drawn KNOWING that I had all my childhood vaccines and thinking this is a no brainer. Turns out that I was not as immune as I thought and needed booster vaccines for Measles and also another HepB booster. The doctor then retested me several months later to see if my immunity has risen to a level that would be consider immune. This is VERY common and some people are never able to build high enough immunity. So that leaves us to wonder about vaccines for animals. It's also the reason that pregnant women are tested for Rubella titers. After I had my son I needed a booster for that as well. So just because vaccines are given and "should" provide lifetime immunity I am proof that is not always the case. In the human population, these above examples are the reason the CDC talks about herd immunity. Although I did have some immunity it was not considered high enough to fully protect me.
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02-21-2015, 03:08 PM | #23 |
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| [QUOTE=gemy;4531809]So do I actually. We also have a mild outbreak of Measles here in Canada. More science is needed to actually justify the current vaccination protocol. Why 3 yrs or 5 yrs or 1 yr for any vaccine? What science based studies base these recommendations on? Surely they will be some to show that immunity lapses after what-ever number of years. And if so, what do these studies base the immunity lapse on - what are they looking at to adjudge immunity has lapsed? I believe in give what is necessary and only necessary based on the best evidence that is current.[/QUOTE] Yes, why give more than what is necessary? I'm not dragging my dogs off every year to vaccinate. As a matter of fact Dude only gets Rabies every 3 years because he had a reaction to his puppy vaccines. The other 2 gets their vaccines every 3 and not on the same year.
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02-21-2015, 03:55 PM | #24 |
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| Interesting discussion! I checked for scholarly articles on the subject of vaccinations and vaccination schedules, and found out that an entire issue of Veterinary Microbiology was dedicated to the subject of cat and dog vaccinations in 2006. Here is the link to the table of contents. The articles are all behind paywalls, but you can read the abstracts for all of them: Veterinary Microbiology | Vol 117, Iss 1, Pgs 1-102, (5 October 2006) | ScienceDirect.com I'm checking for more recent research, but haven't found much, except for an interesting article about vaccinating feral dogs for rabies using an oral rabies vaccine. |
02-21-2015, 04:08 PM | #25 |
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| I vaccinate my dogs. Never had a problem. Have always had dogs. i know some can react to shots. But last year there were dogs dying from Pavo. I just take the precaution simple because I never had or seen ill effects in my entire life. Thats alot of years. JMO |
02-22-2015, 05:26 AM | #26 | |
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While it was indeed "crazy" (in a good way), I wouldn't call myself a "crazy" for using acupuncture. (side note: we actually shouldn't be calling people names like "crazies" for their choices, just like they aren't calling us/you names for your/our choices in western medicine)
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02-22-2015, 05:47 AM | #27 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Alternative or complementary medicine has its uses. Chronic Diseases are not very well served by the western medicine often times.
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02-22-2015, 05:55 AM | #28 |
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| that's the thing about disease though... The people aren't healthy and that's why they aren't served well. Not everything is curable or treatable.
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02-22-2015, 05:56 AM | #29 | |
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02-22-2015, 08:08 AM | #30 | |
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That's too bad it didn't work for you. I suppose it's like everything else in life...what works for some does not for others. I know cancer survivors who got nothing out of chemo, but healed via holistic measures...as well as those who got nothing out of the holistic route, but chemo saved their lives. Ya just never know...
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