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02-04-2014, 10:35 AM | #1 |
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| Top knot is breaking his hair and leaving a red mark on his head~ Hey y'all... I have been putting Ricky's hair up in a top knot until I recently noticed a red mark/sore on his head where the rubber band sits. His hair has always been thin up there, but I've also noticed that his hair is thinning even more. Because it's so thin, I usually have to put a small rubber band in and then I put a plastic clip around it to hold the rubber band in...the rubber bands are supposed to be the non-pull kind and they are small like the kind you use for braces. I always cut them out so I don't pull his hair out. a Am I doing something wrong here?? I can't stand the hair in his eyes. He looks like Cousin It from the Adams Family...but I don't want him to have a sore on his head either. |
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02-04-2014, 10:52 AM | #2 |
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| Others will contribute, but I'll add my two-cents. Cali's hair is very long so she has to have a top knot. For every day bands I use small scrunchies because I think they are easier on the hair. Then, at bedtime, I pull the scrunchies back a little bit to loosen it for the night and scratch her head a little bit (she loves that). The next morning I put a new scrunchie on and repeat the process. Hope that helps. Always consider if it is too tight. Good luck
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02-04-2014, 11:09 AM | #3 |
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| When you say small scrunchies, do you mean these.... |
02-04-2014, 11:16 AM | #4 |
YT 2000 Club Member | I have tried the small scrunchies and they don't stay in the top knot when it is thin. I have had the same problem with Tatiana's hair! I stopped using bands for a while and just bought baby barretts at Walmart. It stopped the breakage. I have to put it in quite a few time a day as they loosen and she shakes them out. Petco carries some really tiny clips w/ jewels that I used when they were puppies. It clamps around the top knot and stays in really well. The only thing is they don't hold much hair. I would completely stop using bands until the hair thickens!
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02-04-2014, 11:17 AM | #5 |
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| Is it possible you are pulling the topknot too tight? When you put it in does the skin below the topknot "wrinkle"? I too, have used the baby scrunchies like you show in your photo, but now I use latex bands that I get at dog shows. |
02-04-2014, 11:19 AM | #6 |
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| Yes those will work. I usually by mine in the children's department at Walmart. Cali does have fairly think hair, but I wrap it around 3 times then push it forward some so it is not so tight. I can see if the hair was thin this would be a problem.
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02-04-2014, 11:44 AM | #7 |
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| I think his hair will be too thin for the scrunchies. I have to wrap the small rubber bands in his hair 3 times to get it to stay in. I try to loosen it up a little so it's not too tight. Below are a pic of the hair clips I've been using over the rubber bands to keep them in. They are really small, like the jeweled hair clips you can get at petco. If I don't put them in, I find the rubber bands slip out quick. |
02-04-2014, 11:53 AM | #8 |
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| Yes, those scrunchies are too heavy for my girl's hair. I use very lightweight rubber bands from Laineeltd.com. Do wrap the band many times around the hair so it's wrapped very tight. But don't pull the hair tight & be very careful not to pull skin into the band. (This may sound stupid, but I did it more than once when I was a "novice" & that little piece of skin lost all it's hair.) Done like this they never come loose. For a dog with thin hair I think it's important to take the band out every night, from the back with one of those little hook scissors. That's my daily routine.
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02-04-2014, 12:23 PM | #9 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | You are definitely putting the topknot in too tight. Joeys breeder warned me of this and said that eventually the area can turn black as the skin dies and no hair will ever grow in the spot. There are many bands that work, but you need to loosen them. I was told to put a metal comb between the band and the scalp to ensure there was enough space, but some people say they just use a rattail comb to loosen the band, in other words, pull the band slightly away from the scalp.
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02-04-2014, 08:07 PM | #10 |
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| Jenny/Mimimomo sent me some tiny scrunchies -- I think she gives them as a gift with orders of other items on her site toplinepet.com They are smaller/stretchier/less bulky than the small ones I normally buy at WalMart in the hair section. Teddy has broken off a lot of hair above his eyes, so the hair is too short to go in his topknot toward the back of his head. I use the tiny scrunchies to make a little topknot closer to his eyes to catch the shorter hairs. Then I gather more a little farther back and band that with the ponytail of the first topknot. Hoping this will help his hair grow back. It is doing a good job keeping hair out of his eyes, and these little scrunchies hold perfectly when wrapped 3 - 4 times around the tiny topknot. My guys don't like to wear the rubber bands on a daily basis. Be sure to take down the hair daily, massage the scalp, and redo the topknot. As noted above, don't do it too tight. The band should be a comfortable distance from the skin, and then pull a little of the hair in the middle to make it stay in place.
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02-04-2014, 08:08 PM | #11 | |
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03-03-2014, 09:05 AM | #12 |
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| Just wanted to say that I've been using the scrunchies for about a month now and wow...what a difference!! First off, there's no red marks on Ricky's head anymore!! But even more amazing is how accepting Ricky is of getting his hair done. Before I'd have to fight with him and now I do not and I think it's because I am not pulling his hair and hurting his head trying to get the rubber band in. It never gets tangled so it's not painful to get in and out. I do have to wrap it a number of times to get it in and sometimes it doesn't stay the best, but it's so much better for his thin hair than those rubber bands!! |
03-03-2014, 09:45 AM | #13 |
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| Depending upon how thick the hair is you might have to wrap it as much as four times. At bedtime I gently pull it back to loosen it and rub her scalp some which she almost purrs and goes to sleep during. Glad it is working for you. I think it is at wal mart that they even have sparkly scrunchies.
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03-16-2014, 04:45 PM | #14 |
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| It does sound like the topknot is pulling on the skin if you are finding red marks. I usually take the end of my metal grooming comb and slid it under the band and pull it upward after putting it in. That way I know no hairs are being pulled to tightly. I have found that the latex free grooming bands are much more gentle on the hair than the rubber ones. The rubber tends to catch those tiny hairs and break them off. Most nights I take the grooming band out and put in a tiny scrunchie to hold her hair over night. Never leave a grooming band in more than a day as the tiny hairs do start to twist around the band and it causes breakage. toplinepet.com Amazon.com: Latex Free Dog Grooming Bands by... Amazon offers other sizes and different color bands. I find the 1/4" size works well for us. Using a good all natural conditioning spray on the hair and skin on a daily basis will also help. Last edited by gracielove; 03-16-2014 at 04:47 PM. |
04-21-2014, 09:02 PM | #15 |
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| Hi everyone! My Yorkie's just turned 1 and we're growing her hair out (after having it cut short previously) so that we can put in a top knot and cute bows for her. She has really thin hair, so I haven't had much luck with a band as she stays still for a little while, but not long enough for me to wrap the band enough times to keep it in place. Plus, because her hair is thin, bits get caught in the bands and even though I cut them out, I'm wary that soon she will have even less hair. I found this product online. Has anyone tried it? It looks like it could help! Dog Hair Bows | Cheap Hair Accessories | Dog Hair Accessories
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