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soccbydo · 10-21-2007, 07:26 AM

Can someone tell me if Belly Bands are just cloth or does it have that thing that soaks up liquid? Is this something I can make now until I get some?

pepe mint · 10-21-2007, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by soccbydo

Ummm I just got the dog at 3am this morning, I doubt it is my fault. Now If I had has him a month or two I would say yes, I just brought him home less than 12 hours ago

so, you thought you were getting a 4 month old dog. did you expect the 4 month old dog to be completely trained when you got him?

i'm sorry...i think you are being irrational. how can you say it is not your fault? the poor pup has been brought into a home where he is expected to be behaving perfectly, and when he isn't, you are "boiling mad" at him. you need to get a grip on yourself and realize that he will NEVER be a good dog if he isn't made to feel welcomed and loved. all the posts that you have made here about him are negative. i have not heard one positive thing...other than the fact that he is pretty...about him. YOU chose to bring that dog into your home. HE didn't chose that. YOU need to be the one that is getting trained...and then, and only then, will you be able to train your dog. you are not giving him a chance!! you have had him for less than 2 days...he is a PUPPY and you are expecting him to know where to pee, poop, and when to do so. maybe he doesn't know how to tell you when he needs to go out. maybe you are not letting him stay out long enough and that is why he is coming into the house to potty. you can't expect him to know everything...you have to teach him. that is your responsibility. yours...and yours alone. you can't blame the dog, your pom, or your husband. you chose to bring him home...YOU take control and train him.

pepe mint · 10-21-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hha

You have to remember, little pups are scared, this is all new to him, within a day or two, he will fit right in..We had an obedience trainer come to help us train our 2 outside dogs, he said one thing that has stuck with me..When a dog does something wrong, it's NOT the dogs fault. DOGS DON'T MAKE MISTAKES, THE OWNERS DO.

i agree....i don't think there are bad dogs...I think there are bad owners. same with kids....i think there are a lot of bad parents...which in turn creates bad kids.

magsy17 · 10-21-2007, 07:30 AM

I think the puppy senses your stress. 1st was it your idea to get the new pup? If it was you shouldn't be mad at your hubby. I adopted my Yorkie Peanut at 7 months. He was not potty trained. My other 2 were and the female had regressed since Peanut will sometimes go in the house. You need patience and understanding. 5 months is a baby. I have 3 babies and they have always gotten along since I let them decide who is going to be the alpha. That is how they work it out in the street and the wild and that is how it works in my house. They do know I am the ultimate Alpha and they all run for cover when they know I am mad. I walk all 3 together without a problem this actually helps since they copy each other and know what is expected of them to do outside. Peanut is still not totally potty trained but I am patient and dedicated he has to learn. Crating him is a good idea since it teached them to hold thier bladder a little longer. Good luck with him.

Oh and he has all his baby teeth except 2 and has 3 new adult teeth so I will have them pulled when he is neutered.

daisy mae06 · 10-21-2007, 07:40 AM

soryy this is my first post on this thread I have been reading it... I agree with mandee

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepe mint

so, you thought you were getting a 4 month old dog. did you expect the 4 month old dog to be completely trained when you got him?

i'm sorry...i think you are being irrational. how can you say it is not your fault? the poor pup has been brought into a home where he is expected to be behaving perfectly, and when he isn't, you are "boiling mad" at him. you need to get a grip on yourself and realize that he will NEVER be a good dog if he isn't made to feel welcomed and loved. all the posts that you have made here about him are negative. i have not heard one positive thing...other than the fact that he is pretty...about him. YOU chose to bring that dog into your home. HE didn't chose that. YOU need to be the one that is getting trained...and then, and only then, will you be able to train your dog. you are not giving him a chance!! you have had him for less than 2 days...he is a PUPPY and you are expecting him to know where to pee, poop, and when to do so. maybe he doesn't know how to tell you when he needs to go out. maybe you are not letting him stay out long enough and that is why he is coming into the house to potty. you can't expect him to know everything...you have to teach him. that is your responsibility. yours...and yours alone. you can't blame the dog, your pom, or your husband. you chose to bring him home...YOU take control and train him.

For My Coby · 10-21-2007, 07:42 AM

Sounds like you're in over your head at the moment. Two things can happen - you can either make this work OR the situation just isn't right for your family at this particular moment. We can have the best intentions but not realize how it upsets the balance of the family. I would strongly suggest the belly bands for you - you can put a piece of a sanitary pad in them to absorb any pee BUT REMEMBER, it's potty training AS USUAL. A dog should ideally never pee in a belly band. In my opinion, they are more for the owner's stress level. You should potty train exactly as if they weren't wearing them. But you won't have that heightened stress of wondering when they're going to make a puddle or mark. And I think one thing you need to do, although very difficult, is stop comparing your new Yorkie to your Pom. The dogs are different, but you're different also. The situation has changed and you're approaching this with more stress than last time, if for no other reason, than the fact that there are two to care for now. Also, I'd limit their time together. The Yorkie may be getting overwhelmed with the Pom. He went from dominant litter mates to a dominant big brother. Give them little play times together and build up to free time together.

You've got some good instincts on the way you've picked up on his fear of getting enough food. You're treating him kindly when you hold and pet him. Build on those good things...........

adorame · 10-21-2007, 09:13 AM

Mot to sound rude but have you read any books on puppy training? I will be getting my puppy in December so I have been reading a lot of books on puppy training and "Puppies for Dummy's" has great information on house training, Also "The Dog Bible" has great information too. They explain how to use a crate for house training too.

Also I think you said that you are using vinegar to clean up the accidents, do not use it, it smells a lot like pee thus not getting rid of the smell and leading the puppy to belive that it's ok to pee their. OxiClean solution or Natures miracle works great as a cleaning product.

Also do not scold the puppy when it has accidents in the house, even a negative attention as scolding is, it is still a form of attention and the dog will then in a way be trained to use the house because it got attention in some form.

Good luck, and remember that he is still a puppy even at 5 months old!

soccbydo · 10-21-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by magsy17

I think the puppy senses your stress. 1st was it your idea to get the new pup? If it was you shouldn't be mad at your hubby. I adopted my Yorkie Peanut at 7 months. He was not potty trained. My other 2 were and the female had regressed since Peanut will sometimes go in the house. You need patience and understanding. 5 months is a baby. I have 3 babies and they have always gotten along since I let them decide who is going to be the alpha. That is how they work it out in the street and the wild and that is how it works in my house. They do know I am the ultimate Alpha and they all run for cover when they know I am mad. I walk all 3 together without a problem this actually helps since they copy each other and know what is expected of them to do outside. Peanut is still not totally potty trained but I am patient and dedicated he has to learn. Crating him is a good idea since it teached them to hold thier bladder a little longer. Good luck with him.

Oh and he has all his baby teeth except 2 and has 3 new adult teeth so I will have them pulled when he is neutered.

No, he has all his adult teeth except three canines

soccbydo · 10-21-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by adorame

Mot to sound rude but have you read any books on puppy training? I will be getting my puppy in December so I have been reading a lot of books on puppy training and "Puppies for Dummy's" has great information on house training, Also "The Dog Bible" has great information too. They explain how to use a crate for house training too.

Also I think you said that you are using vinegar to clean up the accidents, do not use it, it smells a lot like pee thus not getting rid of the smell and leading the puppy to belive that it's ok to pee their. OxiClean solution or Natures miracle works great as a cleaning product.

Also do not scold the puppy when it has accidents in the house, even a negative attention as scolding is, it is still a form of attention and the dog will then in a way be trained to use the house because it got attention in some form.

Good luck, and remember that he is still a puppy even at 5 months old!

Sure I have, I have raised at least a dozen or more puppies in my lifetime. I have never raised two toys before. And I have never raised and that were not infants. This is the first time. I am patient, I am listenint to you all and I have been implementing it. He jsut arrived less than 15 hours ago. I have to note his pattern and frequency. He seems to be going every 45 minutes to an hour, strange for age 5 months. But then again, my Pom has reverted back to infant going each hour as well.

The yorkie just peed on the paper in his room and tried to poo on the carpet, husband caught him in time. One thing I can say is this. He is inhaling the food, even tho I am feeing him alone. Literally inhaling the kibble without chewing it. That to me is definitely a dog who had to steal food or scavange for food. He has a great appetite and will eat anything. My pom is still picky but ah well. He will get there eventually.

They are separated again, as they seem overwhelmed with eachother.

How long do you all think it takes for the newbie to get accustomed to the other dog and the other way around?

soccbydo · 10-21-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by adorame

Also I think you said that you are using vinegar to clean up the accidents, do not use it, it smells a lot like pee thus not getting rid of the smell and leading the puppy to belive that it's ok to pee their. OxiClean solution or Natures miracle works great as a cleaning product.

Good heavens, someone told me use it, good grief, no wonder they are both returning to the same place

What about bleach? I dont have that brand where I live

soccbydo · 10-21-2007, 09:43 AM

I have been charting my Pom since I got him so I know his frequency, he has been holding for many hours up to 7 until number two arrived lol. So now I am charting scoobydo and hopefully I will get his rythum in a few days or so. But they are wearing socks as belly hands LMAO

...one gal told me to do this and hey, it works LOL

Ichabob · 10-21-2007, 09:59 AM

Wicket is 8 mos old and he is still not completely potty train, he still goes out about every hour to pee. Wicket is a smaller yorkie so his bladder is smaller, Ichabob was a 1yr old before he was completely potty train, and I do know the more you stress about it the harder it is to potty train them. they can sense your anxiety.

abbie's mom · 10-21-2007, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by adorame
Also I think you said that you are using vinegar to clean up the accidents, do not use it, it smells a lot like pee thus not getting rid of the smell and leading the puppy to belive that it's ok to pee their. OxiClean solution or Natures miracle works great as a cleaning product.

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Originally Posted by soccbydo

Good heavens, someone told me use it, good grief, no wonder they are both returning to the same place

What about bleach? I dont have that brand where I live

That "someone" might have been me

. Bleach is a great disinfectant/cleaning agent; however, it is toxic to your pets and family. And, it can't be used in some placed pup may mark (furniture, carpet) Now, I am a bleachaholic. I had to cut back, because many experienced breeders told me I was not only hurting my pets; but, it could have a cumulative effect on my family, as well. They suggested vinegar. White vinegar can be used on furniture and carpeting. Also, I think being like 100Xs more sensitive than human noses, a dog can tell the difference between pee and vinegar.

sweetr72 · 10-21-2007, 10:23 AM

I would definetly take him out hourly and spend lots of time loving him in between..like you said you have only had him for hours so of course he is going to be scared and not know exactly where he is supposed to be going. I have rescued dogs that were 5 years old and not housebroken and had them broken in a couple weeks. Why are you keeping your pom and him seperate? I missed that somewhere?? Let them play together outside together and see how they interact...sometimes yes there is a set back for the dog you already have when the new dogs messes in the house but most likely he will learn from your pom where to go. The best trainer for Soleil was my other two dogs. Your yorkie could very well have been partially housebroken with the breeder...he is probably just confused with his new surroundings. Belly bands are great IF they do have accidents..buts it purpose isnt like a diaper..as for the teeth maybe he is losing his baby teeth?? Maybe the vet will know better. My husband didnt help with the training much either but thats ok..they were my idea and now he has the hang of what I was trying to accomplish with them. Take all your energy and put it into this dog and in a few weeks you will have a wonderful pet...he is just probably so afraid of you and your hubby. Alot of times with litters of puppies they will eat very fast to get the food...but in time when he realizes there isnt a real competition for food he will settle down. Just give him his portion and even if he gobbles it up he will learn that is all he gets until next time.

He is just gorgeous!!! What are their names???

Dawn

hha · 10-21-2007, 10:25 AM

You put a pad in the belly band..it's so they won't pee on anything, they go in it..this means when he lifts his leg, he won't be getting anything on your furniture..he can still poop out of it..Well, dogs sense things, he's scared first of all, and 2nd of all, he can sense the way you're feeling..you need to calm down!! 5 mos. is still a baby..dogs can hold their bladders(rule of thumb) one hour for each month..so, figure 5 hours for him..there are a lot of websites on housebreaking..I would def. get him fixed before he matures..If he's hiking his leg this early, most likely he already smells pee in places where your other dog has peed...Myself, I'm not big on crates, never have been, what I have bought is an xpen, I would keep him in that..you can put his bed at one end, food and water and pee pad(if you're going to use those in the other end..if you're going to take him outside, get in a routine..it's going to take time, love and patience!

10-21-2007, 07:30 AM	#79
magsy17 LuvMyFurbaby Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 700	I think the puppy senses your stress. 1st was it your idea to get the new pup? If it was you shouldn't be mad at your hubby. I adopted my Yorkie Peanut at 7 months. He was not potty trained. My other 2 were and the female had regressed since Peanut will sometimes go in the house. You need patience and understanding. 5 months is a baby. I have 3 babies and they have always gotten along since I let them decide who is going to be the alpha. That is how they work it out in the street and the wild and that is how it works in my house. They do know I am the ultimate Alpha and they all run for cover when they know I am mad. I walk all 3 together without a problem this actually helps since they copy each other and know what is expected of them to do outside. Peanut is still not totally potty trained but I am patient and dedicated he has to learn. Crating him is a good idea since it teached them to hold thier bladder a little longer. Good luck with him. Oh and he has all his baby teeth except 2 and has 3 new adult teeth so I will have them pulled when he is neutered. __________________ Bella KCee Mia Cody Last edited by magsy17; 10-21-2007 at 07:33 AM.

10-21-2007, 07:42 AM	#81
For My Coby Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,139	Sounds like you're in over your head at the moment. Two things can happen - you can either make this work OR the situation just isn't right for your family at this particular moment. We can have the best intentions but not realize how it upsets the balance of the family. I would strongly suggest the belly bands for you - you can put a piece of a sanitary pad in them to absorb any pee BUT REMEMBER, it's potty training AS USUAL. A dog should ideally never pee in a belly band. In my opinion, they are more for the owner's stress level. You should potty train exactly as if they weren't wearing them. But you won't have that heightened stress of wondering when they're going to make a puddle or mark. And I think one thing you need to do, although very difficult, is stop comparing your new Yorkie to your Pom. The dogs are different, but you're different also. The situation has changed and you're approaching this with more stress than last time, if for no other reason, than the fact that there are two to care for now. Also, I'd limit their time together. The Yorkie may be getting overwhelmed with the Pom. He went from dominant litter mates to a dominant big brother. Give them little play times together and build up to free time together. You've got some good instincts on the way you've picked up on his fear of getting enough food. You're treating him kindly when you hold and pet him. Build on those good things........... __________________ Diane, and my boys ..... Coby and Reggie !! Striving to be a YTPP - a YT Positive Poster! In Memory of My Beautiful Mother 7/22/28-8/27/08

10-21-2007, 07:26 AM	#76
soccbydo YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: EU Posts: 820	Can someone tell me if Belly Bands are just cloth or does it have that thing that soaks up liquid? Is this something I can make now until I get some?

10-21-2007, 09:13 AM	#82
adorame YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,312 Blog Entries: 1	Mot to sound rude but have you read any books on puppy training? I will be getting my puppy in December so I have been reading a lot of books on puppy training and "Puppies for Dummy's" has great information on house training, Also "The Dog Bible" has great information too. They explain how to use a crate for house training too. Also I think you said that you are using vinegar to clean up the accidents, do not use it, it smells a lot like pee thus not getting rid of the smell and leading the puppy to belive that it's ok to pee their. OxiClean solution or Natures miracle works great as a cleaning product. Also do not scold the puppy when it has accidents in the house, even a negative attention as scolding is, it is still a form of attention and the dog will then in a way be trained to use the house because it got attention in some form. Good luck, and remember that he is still a puppy even at 5 months old!

10-21-2007, 09:43 AM	#86
soccbydo YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: EU Posts: 820	I have been charting my Pom since I got him so I know his frequency, he has been holding for many hours up to 7 until number two arrived lol. So now I am charting scoobydo and hopefully I will get his rythum in a few days or so. But they are wearing socks as belly hands LMAO ...one gal told me to do this and hey, it works LOL

10-21-2007, 09:59 AM	#87
Ichabob YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lucedale ms Posts: 707	Wicket is 8 mos old and he is still not completely potty train, he still goes out about every hour to pee. Wicket is a smaller yorkie so his bladder is smaller, Ichabob was a 1yr old before he was completely potty train, and I do know the more you stress about it the harder it is to potty train them. they can sense your anxiety.

10-21-2007, 10:23 AM	#89
sweetr72 No Longer a Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,111	I would definetly take him out hourly and spend lots of time loving him in between..like you said you have only had him for hours so of course he is going to be scared and not know exactly where he is supposed to be going. I have rescued dogs that were 5 years old and not housebroken and had them broken in a couple weeks. Why are you keeping your pom and him seperate? I missed that somewhere?? Let them play together outside together and see how they interact...sometimes yes there is a set back for the dog you already have when the new dogs messes in the house but most likely he will learn from your pom where to go. The best trainer for Soleil was my other two dogs. Your yorkie could very well have been partially housebroken with the breeder...he is probably just confused with his new surroundings. Belly bands are great IF they do have accidents..buts it purpose isnt like a diaper..as for the teeth maybe he is losing his baby teeth?? Maybe the vet will know better. My husband didnt help with the training much either but thats ok..they were my idea and now he has the hang of what I was trying to accomplish with them. Take all your energy and put it into this dog and in a few weeks you will have a wonderful pet...he is just probably so afraid of you and your hubby. Alot of times with litters of puppies they will eat very fast to get the food...but in time when he realizes there isnt a real competition for food he will settle down. Just give him his portion and even if he gobbles it up he will learn that is all he gets until next time. He is just gorgeous!!! What are their names??? Dawn

10-21-2007, 10:25 AM	#90
hha No Longer a Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seneca, SC Posts: 2,837	You put a pad in the belly band..it's so they won't pee on anything, they go in it..this means when he lifts his leg, he won't be getting anything on your furniture..he can still poop out of it..Well, dogs sense things, he's scared first of all, and 2nd of all, he can sense the way you're feeling..you need to calm down!! 5 mos. is still a baby..dogs can hold their bladders(rule of thumb) one hour for each month..so, figure 5 hours for him..there are a lot of websites on housebreaking..I would def. get him fixed before he matures..If he's hiking his leg this early, most likely he already smells pee in places where your other dog has peed...Myself, I'm not big on crates, never have been, what I have bought is an xpen, I would keep him in that..you can put his bed at one end, food and water and pee pad(if you're going to use those in the other end..if you're going to take him outside, get in a routine..it's going to take time, love and patience!