Puppy mills

[Lovetodream88]

I know some times the message gets lost in the fight. That some people wonder what is the big deal I am just one person buying from the online website or puppy in that pet store window. Some people say one person can never make a difference but this is why we have to try! Say no to buying from online puppy retailers say no to buying that puppy in the window. We have to help those with no voice!

This is graphic but its the truth.

The Hellish Life of a Puppy Mill Dog - YouTube

Is this what you want to support?

The Puppy Mill Project presents "I Will Be Saved" - YouTube

Please help them

What Is a Puppy Mill? - YouTube

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

I know some times the message gets lost in the fight. That some people wonder what is the big deal I am just one person buying from the online website or puppy in that pet store window. Some people say one person can never make a difference but this is why we have to try! Say no to buying from online puppy retailers say no to buying that puppy in the window. We have to help those with no voice!

This is graphic but its the truth.

The Hellish Life of a Puppy Mill Dog - YouTube

Is this what you want to support?

The Puppy Mill Project presents "I Will Be Saved" - YouTube

Please help them

What Is a Puppy Mill? - YouTube

This is the real deal...Thanks for the reminder Taylor...

[lynzy420]

I never saw the 2nd one...very powerful.

[cindersellie]

I'm scared to look I've seen a few youtubes about mills and they are heartbreaking. I'm glad you started this thread. Until I came to YT, I had no idea what puppy mills were, and I'd never ever heard of back yard breeders (BYB) . Thanks Taylor for the links, I'm going to watch.

[spiritwings1202]

That is a great post! I wish I was educated bf I got Daisy....don't get me wrong bc I love her with all my heart. She has made me smile and she has been a loving and loyal companion. But on the other hand It has been has been 9.5 yrs of vet bills and stress.

I am glad we have her, I love her and she has been the sweetest most loving friend and companion. It just breaks my heart every time She gets sick. I know it is bc she was bought at a pet store bf I even knew what a puppy mill was.

When we got Daisy I think she was only 8 weeks even though they said she was 12. She was sick and had kennel cough and would not let you pet her. I had to slowly gain her trust by using treats to get her to come near me so I could pet her. The first week we had Daisy we spend 800.00 in vet bills. I tried to contact the pet store and they said that she got a clean bill of health from their vet !!BS!!!

I then started to do research trying to find her breeder and when I found where she came from it broke my heart. I felt committed to giving her a good life.

Within 3 months of having Daisy we spent over 2,000 in vet bills. People were saying to me put her down she is costing you too much money I refused to listen and I did not give up on her.

It has been something every yr with Daisy and the Vets always say this is the dog with the amazing history. I have a book of files on her. It is amazing what she has been through. I am sure it is to the in breeding

I am happy to say that the pet store was shut down due to buying and selling puppy mill dogs.

I guess what I am saying is Don't buy from a pet store or byb, or bc your chances of ending up with an unhealthy dog is high bc THEY JUST DON'T CARE.....THEY JUST WANT YOUR MONEY.

[MomtoJasper]

Every time I see one of these videos of a puppy mill I cry my eyes out because I know that while I'm watching it there are literally THOUSANDS in this country just like what I'm watching or worse. It seems like our government could do more. I want to do more...I feel helpless to do anything. It hurts me as much as it angers me!!!! I am of the belief that we all stand before a higher judge one day....I'm just disgusted. Thank you for the reality check. I think we all need to be reminded and to pass it on. Maybe one day there will be no pet stores to sell animals to and the puppy mill industry will die out. I can pray for that anyway.

[yorkietalkjilly]

So tough to watch but something all should do, even if not looking for your own dog. That way you can tell family and friends when you think they are maybe dealing with one. It's going to be a tough thread to see a lot of things but hopefully it will help the unaware.

And those personal stories we can post here about any experiences we've had with looking for dogs can show how we finally came to know we were looking at a puppymiller sitting across the room showing us a dog. I now know that my sister and I bought dogs from a puppymiller. Her tiny Poodle, Jot, who almost died of hypoglycemia when he was 6 mos. old was from a puppymiller. Little Jot was so tiny and he was the first tiny dog my sister had ever seen. She was told he was a runt. She bought him from a man named Van and brought him home and he had one physical problem after the other. He had some type seizures and seemed cognitively impaired. But her vet was excellent and got them out of each crisis and she nursed him along until he was 6 mos. old. One day at age 6 mos., he was playing in the den and just went down to the floor, unresponsive, before my sister's eyes. She rushed him into the vet and he was started on treatment, said to be in a hypoglycemic coma. He was unable to come out of it for quite a while due to other medical problems but eventually he came home and had to be fed frequently, his diet changed and watched continually. He lived to the age of 4 when he lost his battle with one of his many genetic problems.

The seemingly nice guy who sold her this dog had a small but neat home and grounds and everything seemed normal with a litter of puppies in one end of the den in a clean pen. But later you think about the big barn far out on his property and how there were no horses or cattle around or anything. And how he advertised all kinds of breeds in the newspaper back then. Yet you didn't see all these different breeds of dogs running around the house or yard! Now when I think back, it's crystal clear his mill was in that barn and and he lived far enough from it that you couldn't hear or smell anything. I remember at the time vaguely wondering when I saw one of his ads, "Hmm, I didn't see any French bulldogs when I was there - just the little poodle and her puppies and his Cocker and Bulldog" And maybe a few months later, I'd check the dog ads section and see his ads for Poms or Chi's or Maltese and think, "Well, I think Van got some new dogs. He must be ramping up his business". Now I know he was a puppymiller and was for years. Now I know what was in that barn.

So don't be fooled by a nice, neat house and litter of dogs, even a mom on the scene. You still have to find out about that BYB/miller and follow them a while, ask around, do some Googling and see if they sell all kinds of breeds or don't happen to have mom or dad around when you meet with them, doesn't health test the parents or grands going back, doesn't check you out as a potential owner of their puppy, the dogs seem unhealthy, congested, toenails are long, the dogs smell, eyes are dull or the pups are not playful, act scared, try to hide from you, etc. Do your homework and find out all about that breeder or later, you too could find out you dealt with and supported someone who is a BYB/puppymiller who breeds for many reasons but none of them involve improving the breed or caring about the welfare of the puppies. It just seemed to be about selling puppies very young for money with that guy we dealt with. He had no mission statement or ever called once to check on the puppy, had no answers if you called him.

[MandiesMom]

Thanks for helping fight the good fight, Taylor.

I knew what puppy mills were before I found YT, but what I didn't know was who facilitated them. I had no idea before finding YT about brokers. And, I honestly had no ideas of the links between certain websites, pet store puppies, brokers, and mills.

So, you and everyone else DO make a difference. Always fight the good fight. One person DOES make a difference.

[cindersellie]

Originally Posted by MomtoJasper

Every time I see one of these videos of a puppy mill I cry my eyes out because I know that while I'm watching it there are literally THOUSANDS in this country just like what I'm watching or worse. It seems like our government could do more. I want to do more...I feel helpless to do anything. It hurts me as much as it angers me!!!! I am of the belief that we all stand before a higher judge one day....I'm just disgusted. Thank you for the reality check. I think we all need to be reminded and to pass it on. Maybe one day there will be no pet stores to sell animals to and the puppy mill industry will die out. I can pray for that anyway.

Sooo Sad! That 1st one made me cry my eyes out!!!

There's states that have laws that limit the amount of dogs that people can have. PA maybe? How can I help to make my state enforce a law like that? Ohio is high with working puppy mills and BYB, but we don't have laws to get rid of them. I would love to do more than tell my friends to NOT buy those pet store pups, and to report if I think I've seen a puppy mill in person.
Seriously, there has to be something we can do to get better laws in our states! If someone knows what I can do, or we can do as a group, discuss it here. I'm so sad for all the ones still suffering

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by cindersellie

Sooo Sad! That 1st one made me cry my eyes out!!!

There's states that have laws that limit the amount of dogs that people can have. PA maybe? How can I help to make my state enforce a law like that? Ohio is high with working puppy mills and BYB, but we don't have laws to get rid of them. I would love to do more than tell my friends to NOT buy those pet store pups, and to report if I think I've seen a puppy mill in person.
Seriously, there has to be something we can do to get better laws in our states! If someone knows what I can do, or we can do as a group, discuss it here. I'm so sad for all the ones still suffering

Because the laws in each of our states etc., vary so much, the best thing you can do is to contact your local ASPCA...SPCA....or Humane Society and offer to help with this and they can guide you.

[yorkiemom2000]

After I got my first yorkie I found out the place I got him from was supplied by a puppy mill. It broke my heart and I couldn't sleep for weeks.

My second little guy I got from a breeder. She sends all her puppies to their new homes with a handmade blanket, dog food, Nurtrical, toy and a book about Yorkies. She cried when it was time for him to go to his new home.

I feel horrible for not having a clue the first time around - I will make it a point to educate as many people as I can.

Thanks for listening~

[magicgenie]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Because the laws in each of our states etc., vary so much, the best thing you can do is to contact your local ASPCA...SPCA....or Humane Society and offer to help with this and they can guide you.

I know you mean well, but be careful about the extreme agendas of the ASPCA, HSUS, possibly any organization with SPCA in its name, and PETA. There have been excellent animal welfare laws on the books for at least 40 years, everywhere, but they've been loosely and selective enforced, thus allowing bad breeders to flourish. HSUS, ASPCA, PETA and the like are now pushing for laws that are also crushing the responsible breeders. The bad guys always seem to find a way around the law. Protect the animals, by all means, but make sure you're also protecting the good breeders, otherwise you're a few short years away from no longer being able to obtain a purebred dog anywhere. Read the AKC Government Affairs section of their web site. Look up your state's Federation of Dog Clubs and Responsible Dog Owners, look up National Animal Interests Alliance. Those people are trying to shut down the offenders without destroying the good breeders.

[cindersellie]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Because the laws in each of our states etc., vary so much, the best thing you can do is to contact your local ASPCA...SPCA....or Humane Society and offer to help with this and they can guide you.

Thanks Lynzy! I plan on doing that! I want Ohio laws changed! Too many mills and BYB here!


I'm sure Cinders was from a BYB. I went to the farm in Amish country to pick her out after searching the internet from puppies near me. I think I went through a broker, he said it was his niece, and he was Mennonite - had electric, cell phone, but no computer. Not being Mennonite myself, I didn't know what modern technology they are allowed to use. I also didn't know BYB ers used the internet to sell, or used brokers, not until I joined YT. When I got there, a male dog was running around- a yorkie. I thought he was her dad. I didn't see the mom. There were still males in the litter, so I thought she was with them somewhere...He said he kept her and the other pups in a large shed just off the driveway by his house. It looked nice- newly built, nice screen door, a air conditioner in the window, and a fenced area beside it, I didn't think anything about it except that it looked so nice.

I made my deposit and was planned to come back for her in 2 weeks- when she would be 9 weeks old. Never saw the mom, only her sister. Cinders liked me. She snuggled and kissed me and the sister didn't want anything to do with me, so she was mine from that 1st meeting.

On the final visit, I asked to see the parents, but was steered to a different discussion about shots and hypoglycemia... what to do and such.
Then, after I made the deposit, he started saying the male I saw was his next stud, and he had 20 females! I said something about that's a lot of dogs, and he said he was restarting, he used to have more!

On the way home, I said that place wasn't right. It wasn't what I considered to be a mill,(at that time) it seemed nice, but the amount of dogs this guy was talking about was like a mill. Now I know it was a BYB!

Cinders has always had low sugar issues... she might have others problems too. I won't know until this summer when I try to get her spayed. On her 1st visit to the vet- 2 days after we got her, she had ear mites- the worst case the vet had ever seen, a infected rash on her belly, and an eye infection! She was put on 3 meds to help her, and I was asked where I got her from by the vet! A question no one ever asked me when I had other dogs! That made me look into mills, and that's how I found YT- from discussions here about mills, back yard breeders, and hypoglycemia.
I want that guy to stop what he's doing, and anyone else from doing the same thing and selling pups like this. I will be making contact with the places Lynzy suggested and finding out what I can do to help shut these places down. I figure if I don't try, then I'm adding to the problem cause I know what happens in them and I'm letting it continue without fighting!

[cindersellie]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

I know you mean well, but be careful about the extreme agendas of the ASPCA, HSUS, possibly any organization with SPCA in its name, and PETA. There have been excellent animal welfare laws on the books for at least 40 years, everywhere, but they've been loosely and selective enforced, thus allowing bad breeders to flourish. HSUS, ASPCA, PETA and the like are now pushing for laws that are also crushing the responsible breeders. The bad guys always seem to find a way around the law. Protect the animals, by all means, but make sure you're also protecting the good breeders, otherwise you're a few short years away from no longer being able to obtain a purebred dog anywhere. Read the AKC Government Affairs section of their web site. Look up your state's Federation of Dog Clubs and Responsible Dog Owners, look up National Animal Interests Alliance. Those people are trying to shut down the offenders without destroying the good breeders.

Thanks Magic, I'll try those. I understand what you're saying about hurting good breeders. I just want the mills and BYB's gone!

[gemy]

There is nothing simple about Puppymills and how to eliminate this scourge from our respective countries.

Consumer action, consumer reporting of suspected puppymills, find out where and how to report a suspected puppymill in your jurisdiction.

I suppose the best bang for your buck is to go after the huge concerns, and not for the most part an Amish or Mennonite farmer selling maybe 40-100 pups a year. but from the more commercial enterprises that sell 1000's of pups a year through brokers, and pet shops.

But please do understand, the demand for puppies and dogs will be here with us I hope for-ever, and a vacuum of supply will once again attract more byber's puppymillers to open up yet again.

So in concert with any truly organized action to shut down puppy mills, that needs to be married to, support, advertising what are the qualities the characteristics of a responsible breeder. This is where you get your purebred from; if you want a mixed dog, well go to the shelter or the dog pound.

Breed specific rescues are yes, mainly wanting to help out their own breed, but trust me, we have no idea for the mainpart if this is a purebred toy Manchester or not. Many dogs come with no identification other than they look a lot like breed a/b/c.