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shyorkies · 01-21-2006, 05:35 PM

I would like to know how many of you have heard of a mentoring contract? I personally have never heard of one when it comes to selling a female on full registration.. I do know that many reputable show owners will stay on as co-owners until a dog is shown to his/her championship, but that deals strictly with a show dog..

troubletb · 01-21-2006, 05:36 PM

This is new to me!!

yorkiegirl2 · 01-21-2006, 06:09 PM

I have never heard of this either

...anyone know what it is and how it works?

Carters Mom · 01-21-2006, 06:09 PM

Within the last few days, I read on one breeder's website (or maybe it was in The Yorkshire Terrier Magazine) that they will insist on being co-owner until the dog is finished and then signing over the dog's full registration. They even may insist on the dog being handled by a professional and may specifically require the handler to be their choice. All fees for showing/handling are paid by the potential owner. Many times, the dog will not go to live with the owner until after they have been finished.

This must be similar to what you're referring to.

shyorkies · 01-21-2006, 06:13 PM

Mentoring Contract was started in another thread and I also have never heard of this form of contract before..

Apparently it is when a breeder is placing a female strictly on full registration with the option of breeding.. The prospective owner signs a contract that states the dog will be co-owned until it produces it first litter..

yorkiemom1970 · 01-21-2006, 06:13 PM

I have never seen one in writing. No. Some could be verbally implied but I personally haven't dealt with that. I've always had clearly stated contracts one way or the other. Some have taken it apon themselves to break my contracts. They are few and far between though. But it can happen and it's hard to enforce unless you involve the court systems. Like Yorkierini said a while back...if you want to insure they aren't bred, spay or neuter before they leave. (or something along those lines she said, lol) If you are offering to a potential breeder then realize they could actually do it. Lay it all out on the table from day one and go from there!

txshopper73 · 01-21-2006, 06:15 PM

I for one see nothing wrong with it when dealing with a novice breeder. Show breeders must protect their lines and with a novice that doesn't know squat about breeding, why wouldn't you? I would not have a problem with this at all. JMO

yorkiemom1970 · 01-21-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

I for one see nothing wrong with it when dealing with a novice breeder. Show breeders must protect their lines and with a novice that doesn't know squat about breeding, why wouldn't you? I would not have a problem with this at all. JMO

I'm not a show breeder yet, but by golly I'm gonna protect my lines none the less. I've worked to friken hard to have my HEALTHY lines bred with who knows what. Spay/neuter contracts are tricky and one can go and register with a different registry in the end. I wouldn't have a problem with it either.

shyorkies · 01-21-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

I for one see nothing wrong with it when dealing with a novice breeder. Show breeders must protect their lines and with a novice that doesn't know squat about breeding, why wouldn't you? I would not have a problem with this at all. JMO

I mentioned this to see how many breeders do mentoring contracts.. It does sound like a great idea when you live close enough to help mentor someone.. As I personally know everytime you breed for a litter something new can happen each and every time!

shyorkies · 01-21-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

I'm not a show breeder yet, but by golly I'm gonna protect my lines none the less. I've worked to friken hard to have my HEALTHY lines bred with who knows what. Spay/neuter contracts are tricky and one can go and register with a different registry in the end. I wouldn't have a problem with it either.

I have in my contract that at NO time can the puppy be registered under any other registery except for AKC on limited registration.. I also state that if it is found that the dog has been bred I have the right to confiscate all off springs from said dog and the dog is legally returned to me! When I first started I had a one page contract and now it is a four page contract!

BabyFidgette · 01-21-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

I'm not a show breeder yet, but by golly I'm gonna protect my lines none the less. I've worked to friken hard to have my HEALTHY lines bred with who knows what. Spay/neuter contracts are tricky and one can go and register with a different registry in the end. I wouldn't have a problem with it either.

This is a serious question: How can a breeders lines get messed up? If a person buys a puppy and doesn't breed it the line stops. So what's the difference if a person wants to breed their puppy?
I for one think it should be up to the owner if they want to breed their dog or not. I know I might get sarcastic responses, but it's just my opinion. I'm entitled to it.

If someone would like to properly and nicely explain why they think I'm "wrong," I will accept that, but I for one will not get into anymore childish discussions and be belittled on here. I don't think it's fair. This is a free country and everyone can have their own opinions. And these opinions can be stated without sarcastic remarks. Sometimes when I read these posts I feel like I am back in middle school as a student instead of teaching them! Ok, I'll get down from the pulpit now.

Carters Mom · 01-21-2006, 06:40 PM

Ok -- I saw this thread first and then read through pages 1 and 2 of the other one before it was clear to me that the other thread is the sole purpose of this new thread being started.

I HATE when that happens!!!!

I answered a question in this forum openly and honestly to the best of my ability with regards to the subject at hand only to find out that lo and behold there is another agenda besides what is carefully worded to start the new thread.

Now with the other thread gone (I didn't get to read the 3rd page because the thread was deleted before I got finished). . . some have NO clue what this is all about.

yorkiemom1970 · 01-21-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shyorkies

I have in my contract that at NO time can the puppy be registered under any other registery except for AKC on limited registration.. I also state that if it is found that the dog has been bred I have the right to confiscate all off springs from said dog and the dog is legally returned to me! When I first started I had a one page contract and now it is a four page contract!

I know what you mean!

The contact itself does tend to grow in pages as we learn how people can be! LOL!

My "right of first refusal" in my contract is being debated to this day as far as someone not contacting me FIRST when they could not keep a puppy of mine for any reason throughout it's life. I am to be contacted first so that I can take this dog back into my possesion to either keep, or find a suitable home for. It sux when people think we aren't serious! What they don't truly realize is that we only have our pups best interest at hand.

shyorkies · 01-21-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette

This is a serious question: How can a breeders lines get messed up? If a person buys a puppy and doesn't breed it the line stops. So what's the difference if a person wants to breed their puppy?
I for one think it should be up to the owner if they want to breed their dog or not. I know I might get sarcastic responses, but it's just my opinion. I'm entitled to it.

If someone would like to properly and nicely explain why they think I'm "wrong," I will accept that, but I for one will not get into anymore childish discussions and be belittled on here. I don't think it's fair. This is a free country and everyone can have their own opinions. And these opinions can be stated without sarcastic remarks. Sometimes when I read these posts I feel like I am back in middle school as a student instead of teaching them! Ok, I'll get down from the pulpit now.

Certain yorkies that I own I did buy on contracts and they state that I can never place a puppy out of said dog if it is not of show quality.. One of them also states that I can keep back from said dog for my program, but everything I place has to go on a alter agreement..

Being a reputable breeder and if you love your dogs you never want to place one of your dogs in a bad pet home let alone a bad breeding situation.. I personally believe that they all deserve to be in loving homes and the breeding should come second to that! JMHO

shyorkies · 01-21-2006, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom1970

I know what you mean!

The contact itself does tend to grow in pages as we learn how people can be! LOL!

My "right of first refusal" in my contract is being debated to this day as far as someone not contacting me FIRST when they could not keep a puppy of mine for any reason throughout it's life. I am to be contacted first so that I can take this dog back into my possesion to either keep, or find a suitable home for. It sux when people think we aren't serious! What they don't truly realize is that we only have our pups best interest at hand.

I have "right of first refusal" in my contract also.. I two years ago found two female pups that I placed as pets for sale in a newspaper ad.. I called the owner and told her that she signed my contract and I meant everything that was in it.. I further told her that if she did not return the girls to me that I would haul her rear back here and sue here! Needless to say two days later I had the girls back in my home!

And yes I did return her full purchase price to her..

01-21-2006, 05:35 PM	#1
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	Mentoring Contract I would like to know how many of you have heard of a mentoring contract? I personally have never heard of one when it comes to selling a female on full registration.. I do know that many reputable show owners will stay on as co-owners until a dog is shown to his/her championship, but that deals strictly with a show dog..

01-21-2006, 05:36 PM	#2
troubletb Love my Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New Port Richey, Florida Posts: 2,244	This is new to me!! __________________ Karen~ Bell, Lilly and Peter's Mom http://www.freewebs.com/floridayorkies/

01-21-2006, 06:09 PM	#4
Carters Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA Posts: 1,568	Within the last few days, I read on one breeder's website (or maybe it was in The Yorkshire Terrier Magazine) that they will insist on being co-owner until the dog is finished and then signing over the dog's full registration. They even may insist on the dog being handled by a professional and may specifically require the handler to be their choice. All fees for showing/handling are paid by the potential owner. Many times, the dog will not go to live with the owner until after they have been finished. This must be similar to what you're referring to. __________________ Lisa Proud Marine Mom Carter, Cooper & Crissy's Mom and Sebastian's Nana Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose!

01-21-2006, 06:13 PM	#5
shyorkies Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: midwest Posts: 572	Mentoring Contract Mentoring Contract was started in another thread and I also have never heard of this form of contract before.. Apparently it is when a breeder is placing a female strictly on full registration with the option of breeding.. The prospective owner signs a contract that states the dog will be co-owned until it produces it first litter..

01-21-2006, 06:15 PM	#7
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 14,178 Blog Entries: 1	I for one see nothing wrong with it when dealing with a novice breeder. Show breeders must protect their lines and with a novice that doesn't know squat about breeding, why wouldn't you? I would not have a problem with this at all. JMO __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley Gracie, London and Dallas

01-21-2006, 06:09 PM	#3
yorkiegirl2 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,736	I have never heard of this either ...anyone know what it is and how it works?

01-21-2006, 06:13 PM	#6
yorkiemom1970 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,947	I have never seen one in writing. No. Some could be verbally implied but I personally haven't dealt with that. I've always had clearly stated contracts one way or the other. Some have taken it apon themselves to break my contracts. They are few and far between though. But it can happen and it's hard to enforce unless you involve the court systems. Like Yorkierini said a while back...if you want to insure they aren't bred, spay or neuter before they leave. (or something along those lines she said, lol) If you are offering to a potential breeder then realize they could actually do it. Lay it all out on the table from day one and go from there!

01-21-2006, 06:40 PM	#12
Carters Mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: LA Posts: 1,568	Ok -- I saw this thread first and then read through pages 1 and 2 of the other one before it was clear to me that the other thread is the sole purpose of this new thread being started. I HATE when that happens!!!! I answered a question in this forum openly and honestly to the best of my ability with regards to the subject at hand only to find out that lo and behold there is another agenda besides what is carefully worded to start the new thread. Now with the other thread gone (I didn't get to read the 3rd page because the thread was deleted before I got finished). . . some have NO clue what this is all about. __________________ Lisa Proud Marine Mom Carter, Cooper & Crissy's Mom and Sebastian's Nana Never underestimate the warmth of a cold nose!