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06-27-2014, 01:50 PM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: New York, NY, US
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| Newbie with a stud and bringing in another male dog home Hello guys, I have an amazing 3 yr old yorkie stud. I got him as a puppy from a breeder in TX who was retiring. My precious Lucky has all the shots and has gotten two genetic tests and all medical tests required to qualify him as a stud. Despite having spent a lot of money in the aforementioned tests, I've not decided if I will breed him or not, as I know becoming a breeder is no easy task. I have a classmate from school who's mother has brain cancer. They are in urgent need to permanently relocate their 7 ry old male yorkie. The dog is pure breed and has all his papers. However, the dog is not neutered and is not up to date in his vaccines. Needless to say, if I were to get their dog I would fix him and get all his vaccines before bringing him home. The dog is very cute and friendly and has lived all his life with a cat. I wanna take him in mostly to help my friend during this terrible time for him and his mother. However, I don't know if it will be a good idea to bring in another male dog, even if fixed, when I have my own male dog that is not fixed. Lucky (my yorkie) is very spoiled and I don't know how he would react to having another dog home. According to my vet, after having my friend's dog fixed, I should wait three to four weeks before bringing him home, as to let any left over testosterone to get out of his system. I wanna help my friend, but my own doggie is my first priority. I don't want to put Lucky in a situation in which he's gonna be miserable! I would like to know if anybody has had a similar experience (having one male dog fixed and another that is not) and your opinions regarding my dilemma. Thank you very much! |
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06-27-2014, 02:01 PM | #2 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Avon Lake, OH USA
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| It's nice of u to help friend...I agree that u should wait to bring male home after neutering. It takes a while for testosterone to get out of system - intacted males tend to mark territory and it doesnt stop immediately. |
06-27-2014, 02:08 PM | #3 |
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| Thank you. The issue is that they want me to take him by Sunday. I'm in a really tough spot. |
06-27-2014, 02:13 PM | #4 |
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| Keep a belly band on him and do a slow introduction of 2 males. Let them get used to each other thru baby gates, introduce on neutral territory etc. Good luck! |
06-27-2014, 02:35 PM | #5 |
YT 2000 Club Donating Member | Okay I have a 2.5 yr old male foster who is neutered and two male studs in my home. Three are large breed dogs one is a Yorkie. I crate and rotate - well to back it up, I train all my dogs for their crates. I spent about one month introducing my large dominant male stud, to the large neutered male. Once he could pass his crate without growling at him, then we went on to the next step. And that was walking on lead, two ppl, two dogs together for walks. They slept in the same room crated, they ate together - ie in their own crates. They each had training and one on one time with me. They have figured out the pack order, without fist fights per say. The neutered male, gives my big boy his space, averts his gaze when passing him etc. But I don't leave the home with both of them un-crated. I am assuming you don't have a full female in residence at your home? The above was because I do, which always complicates a situation. The essence is make a safe place for your Yorkie and if you adopt or foster this new boy one for him too. I hope this helps
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06-27-2014, 03:23 PM | #6 |
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| Thank you LCaster |
06-27-2014, 03:33 PM | #7 | |
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Both dogs are wee-wee pad trained, does that make an difference? I will take them to the bathroom in turns of course. Currently, I work from home so, I will get to spend a lot of time with them. | |
06-27-2014, 03:56 PM | #8 | |
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As long as I have a new male that has not bred yet, he is submissive to the other males....once he is bred, he will push his luck with the other studs....like Gail above, I crate and rotate my boys....some just wont accept the fact they are not the ONLY ALPHA dog, and these boys have to be kept away from the other boys. Most get along with each other, unless there is a female in heat, then all bets are off! When heat cycles start, even those females are separated....everyone just gets full of it and fights break out at the drop of a hat! I think the girls are every bit as bad as the males at fighting when they cycle....None of my intact dogs are allowed to run together, mixed up....boys are kept separated from females, and no one is ever left unsupervised.....It is an all day long job, rotating dogs out for play and fresh air and just to snuggle and visit with me......and one of the big boys has decided he and I need to stretch out tegether, alone, on the slip and slide and just enjoy the water running over and around us! | |
06-27-2014, 08:13 PM | #9 |
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| Thank you for the insight Yorkiemom1 |
06-29-2014, 09:52 AM | #10 | |
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Actually in our breed the "girls" are worse than the males. They care not for size or anything, if they take a dislike to the other female, sparks fly all over the place. With our males they tend to pick their battles carefully. So I will train/exercise a female and a male together as long of course the female is not in heat, but rarely have two male studs out together running free. I learnt that lesson a long time ago.
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06-30-2014, 09:37 AM | #11 | |
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06-30-2014, 09:48 AM | #12 |
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| The things that have been previously mentioned are exactly why people should be encouraged to spay/neuter at an early game. To me it's very troubling to read how unaltered dogs will behave when they are intact. This type of crating, rotating, separating is just not for an average pet owners and should only be done by experienced dog owners willing to take all of the aforementioned precautions. It seems to me that having intact animals whether they are males or females is not for the average pet owner. There are far too many precautions that need to be taken very seriously to ensure the safety of your home. I find it pretty frightening to think that I couldn't leave home without caging up my pets to ensure there were no fights to the death while I was out. I have boys and a girl that were all neutered and spayed early that cohabitant without issue. But as for breeders, this should be taken very seriously. I think this thread should be linked back to the Spay and Neuter thread in the general forum. It would be very enlightening to the novice pet owner and will be sure to keep it in mind for the future when members on on the fence regarding if they should spay/neuter their pets. Thanks!
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06-30-2014, 09:54 AM | #13 | |
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Maybe yes maybe no, maybe they were at the end of their heat or the beginning of it, and not in standing heat. There is a crescendo spiralling upwards from full male re-actions to female heat the apex is the standing heat time-frame, and then responses diminishes as the gal goes out of heat. One good thing about having a full male in your home, you frequently know when your female is coming into heat They usually signal subtle interest clues about one month ahead of heat. Of course as a breeder you track their heats on your calendar as well. And just like human females who long term lodge together, canine females tend to cycle together on their heats - days or maybe a week apart. Interesting.
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06-30-2014, 10:27 AM | #14 | |
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Most here who responded are breeders and have two sexes of full dogs in the house. This is not the average pet owner situation. Having said that I believe it is best for all dogs to learn crate training. It is such a boon to even the "pet owner". Good breeders always take extreme care of their breeding animals, and if we are not "there" can't supervise a situation. I would much rather be safe then sorry. As you well know Jodie we have a number of threads here about spayed females getting into fights. And neutered males. Travel in a car safely in crates, have pets crated when workmen come in and out of your house, or visitors who don't like or are afaird of dogs, your dogs can be in their crates. I believe for the average pet owner if you want a male and a female, one at least does need age appropriate s/n. Because the average pet owner will not do or know to do (as there are no educational tools or advice from their vet given automatically) how to keep two intact dogs together safely. Breeders for the most part do this all the time, manage their dogs, and their breeding program. And we know to do this through our mentors and breed clubs, not from the vets we see! Mainly in my experience two male studs might challenge each other over a female in heat, but rarely out together in free play with no intact females around. But rarely is just that rarely! So you err on the side of caution, with two intact dogs. And then as your experience grows with the actual dogs in question, you allow more freedom as it is earned. That might be a year more or less down the road. Again there are no black and white answers. It depends upon the dog(s) in question and the owners, as to what is the best solution overall.
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