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crzy4dogsxx21 · 11-26-2013, 05:49 PM

Hi I have a question for anybody who can help at all. It is not specifically related to breeding but in another way it is. I had a litter born on January 1 2013. The litter had 4 puppies in it. I raised them like I normally would and they became part of my family until I found them good families of their own to go to. I had advertised them on puppyfind when they were 12 weeks old. In the long run they all went to homes that I felt were good for them. Anyway I had a woman contact me from NY I won't mention her name on here but if anyone has any advice I could private message them her information. Anyway she was interested in the only boy from the litter. I was emailing her back and forth and she seemed nice and a good fit, a stay at home mom with 2 kids that weren't really young so I knew the puppy would be safe. Anyway I sent her a questionnaire form and she filled it out and I felt that she was good to have one of my puppies. We met half way and we talked for a little while and then she took her puppy. I also had along his sister because they loved to play with each other and she was the only one left out of the litter the rest already had gone to their new homes. But she also fell in love with his sister but I said she was already going to a new home in a few weeks. She asked me to keep her in mind if the other buyer would back out that she would definitely take her. She even offered me more money than I was asking for them which I thought was a little odd. In the long run the woman that I had sold the little girl to had to give her back to me after a few months because she was getting a divorce and was forced to get an apartment and they didn't allow pets so I took her back. I was holding on to her for a little bit during the summer. During this time I was also in the process of moving to a new house but the house I was getting was not ready yet so I was staying with a family member at her apartment and this little female was a barker. So I asked my sister to hold on to her until the house was ready. In the meantime I contacted the person who purchased her brother and was interested in her and she said she would take her. I told her I would contact her when I was free because I told her I was in the process of moving and working 2 jobs. But this lady do not understand. She would call me at least 4-5 times a day along with text messages asking when she could get the dog constantly. I finally set up a date on Labor day to meet her. I also asked her to bring along her brother so I could see how he was doing and how him and his sister would react like if they would remember each other. Well when I met her she didn't have her brother along she said he was with her mother in DE and was coming back in about 2 days. Now this is where the issue begins with this woman. The puppy was $850 so she gave me 500 cash and 350 in check because of the holiday she said she couldn't take any more money out of her ATM. I usually don't like to take checks but I understood with the holiday so I accepted it. About 4 hours after we met she text me and said that she gave me the wrong check she grabbed the wrong checkbook she said there was no money in the account. I told her to send me a new check the next day. Well after that she started what I think was complaining even though she said she was just asking questions. She started about her teeth saying they were crooked and she was missing some which I told her is normal because her adult teeth were beginning to come in. She said she wanted to get her teeth checked for she sent me the payment. So then I started to get mad. Here she didn't send the new check out until 5 days after she got the puppy and she also sent it to my old address even though I gave her my new address before. During that time I was getting very frustrated with her. She would text me complaining about the dog like her teeth, that she didn't like men, she bit her son, she didn't like small children and would bark at them, she stole her son's sandwich off her table and that she had matts in her hair so she cut most of her hair off. This dog was fine when she was with me and my sister except she did like to bark which I informed her of and she said she was willing to work with her. During that time I had also asked on numerous occasions to see a picture of her brother because she would always send me pictures of the female. Now she said that the male lives with her mother in FL and travels with her to different states between seasons and also between her sisters. So right there she lied to me saying she had him when she didn't. The whole situation escalated so much that I just wanted her back because I had also not yet received her other check. It took me 30 days to receive the new check because I went to the bank and they confirmed that the check she had originally gave me was a bad check. She agreed to give her back as long as she got her payment back. I said I would give the money back except I would take out a portion to pay to take her to the vet to get checked because I never believed she was vet checked when she got her. She said all she would allow is 50 for the vet because she said she was vet checked. Anyway the whole story continues her complaining and constantly lying and saying she would give her back and then when I would arrange a time she would lie and make excuses not to meet up. I finally called her vet to check in with her to see if she was checked because she took her once and she had a skin infection and was supposed to be rechecked which I discovered she never was even though she lied to me and said she was. I also found out the last time her brother was seen was in April and also that she has other dogs which I was never informed of she lied to me and said she had no dogs. So I have a feeling that she sold her brother which is why I never receive pics of him and I get tons of pics of the female. She also has not followed the contract she signed for her. She has not provided me that she was checked when she got there, did not spay her, and changed her food because she said she refused to touch it which was a lie because she always ate it for weeks and also took her off her vitamins because she said her vet said she didn't need them. Sorry for the long story but I wanted to explain everything. Has anyone ever experienced anything similar to this? Do you have any suggestions on what to do? I tried voluntarily but she lies and makes up excuses. I don't want to have to do a magistrate or anything. I was only a hobby breeder with 3 breeding females but I am no longer breeding and am rehoming my breeders. I am tired of her lies and don't know what else I can do. I fear that if she keeps her she could be sold to someone else and I feel she is also not getting the proper vet care because she took her to the vet the same day I called and said she was not rechecked so I think she felt guilty and knew she lied. I am just want the best life for her. If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it or is this situation a lost cause?

bjh · 11-27-2013, 09:52 AM

I am sorry that lady has put your though so much. What is the status now? Are you still waiting for her to return the female? Did she not ever finish paying for her? Sadly there are a lot of people out there that lie about things. I have ran into a few of them myself. If it were me I would be demanding the dog back and I would not take anymore excuses. I hope you get it resolved quickly.

crzy4dogsxx21 · 11-27-2013, 11:48 AM

The status as of right now if that she still has the female. She has paid the full balance but it took me a month to get the full payment. Before I even got the payment I said I just wanted her back because all she did was complain about her. I was never concerned about just receiving the payment I am more concerned about her health and safety. I just offered this past weekend to come and get her. I said I would come to her because she refuses to meet at the same place we did before. She said I could meet her at a shopping center at 5 on Saturday but that didnt work for me because I had a meeting at 4 and it was going to take me about 3 hours to meet her. So I offered to come on Sunday to get her and she made up another excuse that she had plans on Sunday. Then we were texting and I was getting very frustrated with her about all her lies even though she said she never lied once to me which is a complete lie for example with the vet situation that I mentioned above where she never took her back. As of right now I have not heard from her since this past weekend. I want her back so bad because I fear for her safety and health but her owner is making it so difficult forme to get her back. Is it possible to drive to her house and confront her or is that taking things too far? Any advice is appreciated to help me in this situation.

AtlYorkie · 11-27-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crzy4dogsxx21

The status as of right now if that she still has the female. She has paid the full balance but it took me a month to get the full payment. Before I even got the payment I said I just wanted her back because all she did was complain about her. I was never concerned about just receiving the payment I am more concerned about her health and safety. I just offered this past weekend to come and get her. I said I would come to her because she refuses to meet at the same place we did before. She said I could meet her at a shopping center at 5 on Saturday but that didnt work for me because I had a meeting at 4 and it was going to take me about 3 hours to meet her. So I offered to come on Sunday to get her and she made up another excuse that she had plans on Sunday. Then we were texting and I was getting very frustrated with her about all her lies even though she said she never lied once to me which is a complete lie for example with the vet situation that I mentioned above where she never took her back. As of right now I have not heard from her since this past weekend. I want her back so bad because I fear for her safety and health but her owner is making it so difficult forme to get her back. Is it possible to drive to her house and confront her or is that taking things too far? Any advice is appreciated to help me in this situation.

I would say no don't go to her house. Because you don't know what might happen when you get there.

crzy4dogsxx21 · 11-27-2013, 03:37 PM

I don't know what else I can do to take her back. Some days she agrees to give her back but then backs out and she is also very firm on getting all her money back and checks she will not even allow me to take a portion of it to take her to the vet which she was supposed to do but didnt. Then if she doesn't agree she backs out. She also told me this past weekend that she is afraid to give her back to me because of how I was speaking with. I don't know if I should keep contacting her and figure out a day she is available. I just dont want to wait too long because i am afraid she will sell her.

AtlYorkie · 11-27-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crzy4dogsxx21

I don't know what else I can do to take her back. Some days she agrees to give her back but then backs out and she is also very firm on getting all her money back and checks she will not even allow me to take a portion of it to take her to the vet which she was supposed to do but didnt. Then if she doesn't agree she backs out. She also told me this past weekend that she is afraid to give her back to me because of how I was speaking with. I don't know if I should keep contacting her and figure out a day she is available. I just dont want to wait too long because i am afraid she will sell her.

Try to find out what day she available. If that don't work and you want the yorkie back you might have to go to the law and see what they say.

bjh · 11-27-2013, 03:52 PM

I really don't think you have any options except to give her all her money back. Hopefully you will be able to work it out with her.

bailie · 11-29-2013, 05:21 AM

Why would u want to re home your breeders

theporkieyorkie · 11-29-2013, 10:21 AM

Are you legally allowed to get the dog back if the person doesn't follow the contract? Have you thought about calling a lawyer and having the lawyer contact her?? Not sure if that would help or scare her away though....

I would be worried that the person didn't want you at the house....sort of wonder what she's hiding?? Is she a BYB?? A puppy mill?? Is she a puppy broker etc etc??

If it were me and she kept jerking me around, I'd show up at her house unannounced...and I wouldn't be doing it alone. I'd have someone or a few someone's with me just so nothing would happen. If you could bring a cop or a an animal control or SPCA officer with you, that would be the best. Since you have a contract with her and she's in violation of it, maybe they would go with you. Heck, due to the set of circumstances with you feeling that your dog is in danger, I'd think the SPCA would want to come with you just to make sure the dog is ok. I'd think the person would be more willing to play ball if a cop of the SPCA is behind you, breathing down their neck. It sounds like whatever this person is doing, it's sketchy, so I'd think the last thing they'd want to do is bring attention to themselves by causing problems in front of the SPCA or the cops.

It sounds like you are going to have to give her all of her money back to get your pup back....but I wouldn't do it until you have the dog in your hands. I have to wonder if she's a breeder or plans on selling her to a breeder since she's failed to spay your little girl. The fact that she hasn't spayed your pup...oh yea, and has other dogs, is very concerning to say the least.

Even though you think you know people...they can fool ya. I know some really nice people that make HORRIBLE pet owners....some of them even talk about how much their animal means to them, yet they don't even provide basic care for it. This is one of the reasons why I don't think I could breed. I think it's fairly safe to say that most of us here provide above average care for our pets...and I would expect someone else to take care of their pup and have it be as important to them and their family as my pets are to me. Anything less would be sub-standard care in my eyes and I would be doing the same as you and would be asking for my baby back.

crzy4dogsxx21 · 12-09-2013, 10:34 PM

Just a quick update I still don't have her back and now I am getting very upset with this woman. I messaged her about 2 weeks ago and she ignored my messages for a while then replied a few days later stating if I want her back I have to meet her only on a week day. I worked out my schedule and was planning on getting her this week but once again she is ignoring my messages since Friday. She has also been asking me if I have any other available puppies. That I am a little concerned about I don't know if she is looking for another one or one of her family members but I will never give her another dog. I also found out that she had multiple yorkies as well as cats a few years back that she no longer has now. I think she gets these pets for her daughter and then when they get tired of them they give them away. What furiates me even more is I was doing some research last night and found out that this past April of this year she was selling a yorkie puppy. Now I sold her the male from the litter back in April as well and I believe that this puppy looks exactly the same as the puppy I sold her. She flat out lied to me and said he was with her mother when her post on him for sale said he was adopted sometime in June I believe. She even sold him for more money than she paid for him which makes me even more upset. She is just lying to me so much that I don't know what to do next. I also found out in the past few weeks that I think she has a new young puppy as well. I feel that this woman does not deserve to have any dogs if she just keeps them until she gets tired of them. I have contacted her numerous times and offered to meet her and give her the full refund but no I am having no luck. I really don't want to have to take legal action because I know she won't come to my area if there has to be a case or anything she will just make up one of her excuses. I feel the only way to try to get her is to go to her house and confront her on the issue and have either a police officer or animal worker to back me up. If anyone has any thoughts I would appreciate it.

DvlshAngel985 · 12-09-2013, 11:06 PM

Just my two cents. At his point, if you want your dog back that bad, give the lady back her money. The cos of a wellness exam is just something you'll have to fork over yourself.

crzy4dogsxx21 · 12-09-2013, 11:44 PM

At this point I don't care about getting the money for the vet check up I offered to give her the full refund and checks. The issue I am having is how to get her back when she is refusing and ignoring any communication.

Yorkiemom1 · 12-10-2013, 08:05 AM

[QUOTE=crzy4dogsxx21;4359481]At this point I don't care about getting the money for the vet check up I offered to give her the full refund and checks. The issue I am having is how to get her back when she is refusing and ignoring any communication.[/QUOTE]

This is where the strength of your contract and your lawyer comes in. Did you have your lawyer draw up your contract? If so, you are more confident about the strength of your conbtract. You have your lawyer communicate with her from now on, if she will not respond to YOU. Do you have it in your contract that she can NOT re-home your puppies without your approval? If so, and if you have her admission that she rehomed the male puppy IN WRITING, she has violated the contract and your lawyer can address that issue as well. I would be concerned she is "flipping" your babies....paying $850.00 for your babies, then turning around and reselling them for much more....very common especially at Christmas....get your lawyer involved....you may be able to get your babies back, but it is going to cost you. If you EVER let a baby go, that has NOT been paid in full with cash, not check, you can safely accept, in your mind, you have gotten all you are going to get on that baby. You have honest people out there that WILL come back with the rest of your money, but dont count on that! Does your local grocery store let you pay for half your groceries now, and then promise to give them the rest later? When was the last time you put gas in your car and the gas station let you pay for half a tank, with a promise to pay for the other half tank later? Bought a pair of shoes lately and they let you pay for 3/4 the amount due, and then allow you to essentially write a hot check to cover the rest, then promise to pay the remainder due later???? You are selling puppies. You have a price for those babies. You are screening your buyers.....the only thing I can think may help your process, is to establish a rapport, a relationship with your buyers BEFORE you let that baby go to them. TRUST is a door that swings both ways....if they expect you to trust them, is it out of the realm of possibility that they need to trust YOU....secure the purchase of that puppy with a deposit, and be in contact with the new owners for weeks before they pick their puppy up. We just do the best we can do, dealing with people....and the fact that some people lie and are determined to essentially "shop lift" and outright steal puppies by any means, is a fact and all you can do is try to prevent it from happening to YOU. Good luck in this ordeal....praying for a positive outcome for you and your babies.

crzy4dogsxx21 · 12-21-2013, 05:24 PM

Hi just wanted to give an update. I finally got my dog back this week. It was a long and difficult process and the conservations got very to myself and my family at times. But I am glad to say it is over with and was definitely worth it to get her back so she has the care that she needs.

AtlYorkie · 12-21-2013, 06:20 PM

Make sure you take her to the doctor

11-26-2013, 05:49 PM	#1
crzy4dogsxx21 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Allentown,PA, USA Posts: 34	Question for breeders Hi I have a question for anybody who can help at all. It is not specifically related to breeding but in another way it is. I had a litter born on January 1 2013. The litter had 4 puppies in it. I raised them like I normally would and they became part of my family until I found them good families of their own to go to. I had advertised them on puppyfind when they were 12 weeks old. In the long run they all went to homes that I felt were good for them. Anyway I had a woman contact me from NY I won't mention her name on here but if anyone has any advice I could private message them her information. Anyway she was interested in the only boy from the litter. I was emailing her back and forth and she seemed nice and a good fit, a stay at home mom with 2 kids that weren't really young so I knew the puppy would be safe. Anyway I sent her a questionnaire form and she filled it out and I felt that she was good to have one of my puppies. We met half way and we talked for a little while and then she took her puppy. I also had along his sister because they loved to play with each other and she was the only one left out of the litter the rest already had gone to their new homes. But she also fell in love with his sister but I said she was already going to a new home in a few weeks. She asked me to keep her in mind if the other buyer would back out that she would definitely take her. She even offered me more money than I was asking for them which I thought was a little odd. In the long run the woman that I had sold the little girl to had to give her back to me after a few months because she was getting a divorce and was forced to get an apartment and they didn't allow pets so I took her back. I was holding on to her for a little bit during the summer. During this time I was also in the process of moving to a new house but the house I was getting was not ready yet so I was staying with a family member at her apartment and this little female was a barker. So I asked my sister to hold on to her until the house was ready. In the meantime I contacted the person who purchased her brother and was interested in her and she said she would take her. I told her I would contact her when I was free because I told her I was in the process of moving and working 2 jobs. But this lady do not understand. She would call me at least 4-5 times a day along with text messages asking when she could get the dog constantly. I finally set up a date on Labor day to meet her. I also asked her to bring along her brother so I could see how he was doing and how him and his sister would react like if they would remember each other. Well when I met her she didn't have her brother along she said he was with her mother in DE and was coming back in about 2 days. Now this is where the issue begins with this woman. The puppy was $850 so she gave me 500 cash and 350 in check because of the holiday she said she couldn't take any more money out of her ATM. I usually don't like to take checks but I understood with the holiday so I accepted it. About 4 hours after we met she text me and said that she gave me the wrong check she grabbed the wrong checkbook she said there was no money in the account. I told her to send me a new check the next day. Well after that she started what I think was complaining even though she said she was just asking questions. She started about her teeth saying they were crooked and she was missing some which I told her is normal because her adult teeth were beginning to come in. She said she wanted to get her teeth checked for she sent me the payment. So then I started to get mad. Here she didn't send the new check out until 5 days after she got the puppy and she also sent it to my old address even though I gave her my new address before. During that time I was getting very frustrated with her. She would text me complaining about the dog like her teeth, that she didn't like men, she bit her son, she didn't like small children and would bark at them, she stole her son's sandwich off her table and that she had matts in her hair so she cut most of her hair off. This dog was fine when she was with me and my sister except she did like to bark which I informed her of and she said she was willing to work with her. During that time I had also asked on numerous occasions to see a picture of her brother because she would always send me pictures of the female. Now she said that the male lives with her mother in FL and travels with her to different states between seasons and also between her sisters. So right there she lied to me saying she had him when she didn't. The whole situation escalated so much that I just wanted her back because I had also not yet received her other check. It took me 30 days to receive the new check because I went to the bank and they confirmed that the check she had originally gave me was a bad check. She agreed to give her back as long as she got her payment back. I said I would give the money back except I would take out a portion to pay to take her to the vet to get checked because I never believed she was vet checked when she got her. She said all she would allow is 50 for the vet because she said she was vet checked. Anyway the whole story continues her complaining and constantly lying and saying she would give her back and then when I would arrange a time she would lie and make excuses not to meet up. I finally called her vet to check in with her to see if she was checked because she took her once and she had a skin infection and was supposed to be rechecked which I discovered she never was even though she lied to me and said she was. I also found out the last time her brother was seen was in April and also that she has other dogs which I was never informed of she lied to me and said she had no dogs. So I have a feeling that she sold her brother which is why I never receive pics of him and I get tons of pics of the female. She also has not followed the contract she signed for her. She has not provided me that she was checked when she got there, did not spay her, and changed her food because she said she refused to touch it which was a lie because she always ate it for weeks and also took her off her vitamins because she said her vet said she didn't need them. Sorry for the long story but I wanted to explain everything. Has anyone ever experienced anything similar to this? Do you have any suggestions on what to do? I tried voluntarily but she lies and makes up excuses. I don't want to have to do a magistrate or anything. I was only a hobby breeder with 3 breeding females but I am no longer breeding and am rehoming my breeders. I am tired of her lies and don't know what else I can do. I fear that if she keeps her she could be sold to someone else and I feel she is also not getting the proper vet care because she took her to the vet the same day I called and said she was not rechecked so I think she felt guilty and knew she lied. I am just want the best life for her. If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it or is this situation a lost cause?

11-27-2013, 09:52 AM	#2
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	I am sorry that lady has put your though so much. What is the status now? Are you still waiting for her to return the female? Did she not ever finish paying for her? Sadly there are a lot of people out there that lie about things. I have ran into a few of them myself. If it were me I would be demanding the dog back and I would not take anymore excuses. I hope you get it resolved quickly. __________________ "Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

11-27-2013, 03:52 PM	#7
bjh Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southeast Texas Posts: 7,959	I really don't think you have any options except to give her all her money back. Hopefully you will be able to work it out with her. __________________ "Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

11-29-2013, 05:21 AM	#8
bailie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: northern ireland Posts: 947	Why would u want to re home your breeders __________________ my beautiful sole mates,, beau,sonny,gino,frazer R.I.P my fallen angel bailie 97-2012

12-09-2013, 11:06 PM	#11
DvlshAngel985 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 12,693	Just my two cents. At his point, if you want your dog back that bad, give the lady back her money. The cos of a wellness exam is just something you'll have to fork over yourself. __________________ Littlest JakJak We miss you Kaji

11-27-2013, 11:48 AM	#3
crzy4dogsxx21 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Allentown,PA, USA Posts: 34	The status as of right now if that she still has the female. She has paid the full balance but it took me a month to get the full payment. Before I even got the payment I said I just wanted her back because all she did was complain about her. I was never concerned about just receiving the payment I am more concerned about her health and safety. I just offered this past weekend to come and get her. I said I would come to her because she refuses to meet at the same place we did before. She said I could meet her at a shopping center at 5 on Saturday but that didnt work for me because I had a meeting at 4 and it was going to take me about 3 hours to meet her. So I offered to come on Sunday to get her and she made up another excuse that she had plans on Sunday. Then we were texting and I was getting very frustrated with her about all her lies even though she said she never lied once to me which is a complete lie for example with the vet situation that I mentioned above where she never took her back. As of right now I have not heard from her since this past weekend. I want her back so bad because I fear for her safety and health but her owner is making it so difficult forme to get her back. Is it possible to drive to her house and confront her or is that taking things too far? Any advice is appreciated to help me in this situation.

11-27-2013, 03:37 PM	#5
crzy4dogsxx21 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Allentown,PA, USA Posts: 34	I don't know what else I can do to take her back. Some days she agrees to give her back but then backs out and she is also very firm on getting all her money back and checks she will not even allow me to take a portion of it to take her to the vet which she was supposed to do but didnt. Then if she doesn't agree she backs out. She also told me this past weekend that she is afraid to give her back to me because of how I was speaking with. I don't know if I should keep contacting her and figure out a day she is available. I just dont want to wait too long because i am afraid she will sell her.

11-29-2013, 10:21 AM	#9
theporkieyorkie YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: dearborn heights Posts: 1,148	Are you legally allowed to get the dog back if the person doesn't follow the contract? Have you thought about calling a lawyer and having the lawyer contact her?? Not sure if that would help or scare her away though.... I would be worried that the person didn't want you at the house....sort of wonder what she's hiding?? Is she a BYB?? A puppy mill?? Is she a puppy broker etc etc?? If it were me and she kept jerking me around, I'd show up at her house unannounced...and I wouldn't be doing it alone. I'd have someone or a few someone's with me just so nothing would happen. If you could bring a cop or a an animal control or SPCA officer with you, that would be the best. Since you have a contract with her and she's in violation of it, maybe they would go with you. Heck, due to the set of circumstances with you feeling that your dog is in danger, I'd think the SPCA would want to come with you just to make sure the dog is ok. I'd think the person would be more willing to play ball if a cop of the SPCA is behind you, breathing down their neck. It sounds like whatever this person is doing, it's sketchy, so I'd think the last thing they'd want to do is bring attention to themselves by causing problems in front of the SPCA or the cops. It sounds like you are going to have to give her all of her money back to get your pup back....but I wouldn't do it until you have the dog in your hands. I have to wonder if she's a breeder or plans on selling her to a breeder since she's failed to spay your little girl. The fact that she hasn't spayed your pup...oh yea, and has other dogs, is very concerning to say the least. Even though you think you know people...they can fool ya. I know some really nice people that make HORRIBLE pet owners....some of them even talk about how much their animal means to them, yet they don't even provide basic care for it. This is one of the reasons why I don't think I could breed. I think it's fairly safe to say that most of us here provide above average care for our pets...and I would expect someone else to take care of their pup and have it be as important to them and their family as my pets are to me. Anything less would be sub-standard care in my eyes and I would be doing the same as you and would be asking for my baby back.

12-09-2013, 10:34 PM	#10
crzy4dogsxx21 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Allentown,PA, USA Posts: 34	Just a quick update I still don't have her back and now I am getting very upset with this woman. I messaged her about 2 weeks ago and she ignored my messages for a while then replied a few days later stating if I want her back I have to meet her only on a week day. I worked out my schedule and was planning on getting her this week but once again she is ignoring my messages since Friday. She has also been asking me if I have any other available puppies. That I am a little concerned about I don't know if she is looking for another one or one of her family members but I will never give her another dog. I also found out that she had multiple yorkies as well as cats a few years back that she no longer has now. I think she gets these pets for her daughter and then when they get tired of them they give them away. What furiates me even more is I was doing some research last night and found out that this past April of this year she was selling a yorkie puppy. Now I sold her the male from the litter back in April as well and I believe that this puppy looks exactly the same as the puppy I sold her. She flat out lied to me and said he was with her mother when her post on him for sale said he was adopted sometime in June I believe. She even sold him for more money than she paid for him which makes me even more upset. She is just lying to me so much that I don't know what to do next. I also found out in the past few weeks that I think she has a new young puppy as well. I feel that this woman does not deserve to have any dogs if she just keeps them until she gets tired of them. I have contacted her numerous times and offered to meet her and give her the full refund but no I am having no luck. I really don't want to have to take legal action because I know she won't come to my area if there has to be a case or anything she will just make up one of her excuses. I feel the only way to try to get her is to go to her house and confront her on the issue and have either a police officer or animal worker to back me up. If anyone has any thoughts I would appreciate it.

12-09-2013, 11:44 PM	#12
crzy4dogsxx21 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Allentown,PA, USA Posts: 34	At this point I don't care about getting the money for the vet check up I offered to give her the full refund and checks. The issue I am having is how to get her back when she is refusing and ignoring any communication.

12-10-2013, 08:05 AM	#13
Yorkiemom1 Rosehill Yorkies Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston Texas Posts: 9,462	[QUOTE=crzy4dogsxx21;4359481]At this point I don't care about getting the money for the vet check up I offered to give her the full refund and checks. The issue I am having is how to get her back when she is refusing and ignoring any communication.[/QUOTE] This is where the strength of your contract and your lawyer comes in. Did you have your lawyer draw up your contract? If so, you are more confident about the strength of your conbtract. You have your lawyer communicate with her from now on, if she will not respond to YOU. Do you have it in your contract that she can NOT re-home your puppies without your approval? If so, and if you have her admission that she rehomed the male puppy IN WRITING, she has violated the contract and your lawyer can address that issue as well. I would be concerned she is "flipping" your babies....paying $850.00 for your babies, then turning around and reselling them for much more....very common especially at Christmas....get your lawyer involved....you may be able to get your babies back, but it is going to cost you. If you EVER let a baby go, that has NOT been paid in full with cash, not check, you can safely accept, in your mind, you have gotten all you are going to get on that baby. You have honest people out there that WILL come back with the rest of your money, but dont count on that! Does your local grocery store let you pay for half your groceries now, and then promise to give them the rest later? When was the last time you put gas in your car and the gas station let you pay for half a tank, with a promise to pay for the other half tank later? Bought a pair of shoes lately and they let you pay for 3/4 the amount due, and then allow you to essentially write a hot check to cover the rest, then promise to pay the remainder due later???? You are selling puppies. You have a price for those babies. You are screening your buyers.....the only thing I can think may help your process, is to establish a rapport, a relationship with your buyers BEFORE you let that baby go to them. TRUST is a door that swings both ways....if they expect you to trust them, is it out of the realm of possibility that they need to trust YOU....secure the purchase of that puppy with a deposit, and be in contact with the new owners for weeks before they pick their puppy up. We just do the best we can do, dealing with people....and the fact that some people lie and are determined to essentially "shop lift" and outright steal puppies by any means, is a fact and all you can do is try to prevent it from happening to YOU. Good luck in this ordeal....praying for a positive outcome for you and your babies.

12-21-2013, 05:24 PM	#14
crzy4dogsxx21 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Allentown,PA, USA Posts: 34	Hi just wanted to give an update. I finally got my dog back this week. It was a long and difficult process and the conservations got very to myself and my family at times. But I am glad to say it is over with and was definitely worth it to get her back so she has the care that she needs.

12-21-2013, 06:20 PM	#15
AtlYorkie Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 79 Blog Entries: 1	Make sure you take her to the doctor __________________ AtlYorkie