Wy many breeders use pics from my Champions ??

[javier2905]

My name is Javier Coronel , I´m de Owner of California Wild´s Kennel in Argentina , I´m little bit tired to see how many breeders use the pictures from my dogs , in their websites , in their adds , and is funny because many of them even didn´t buy any dog from me . Also I was sad because I saw what Peggy Nitro wrote about me , I sold to her a very nice male from Ch. California Wild´s Lion D´Or , later she made a complain because her Vet haved to took off many baby tooth , but later when the dog grow , she haved to admit a big mistake , her Vet took off many adult tooth also, after that she sent to me emails because she want to but one or two females from my kennel , I wasen´t very happy with that because what happens before , and also because she told me which she mix breed ( s**th-zu X Yorkies ) she use very large ugly Yorkies females and mix with s**th-zu males , what is that ?? a reputable breeder never do something like that , anyway she insist and sent to me the payment for " One " female and told me which later she will send the payment for the second one , the two females puppys which she choose were small , also one of them haved somes hipoglucemia episode and unfortunally she die , the other one was so extra small size , and I took the desition to sale her to a local buyer just as a pet , and because I´m very responsable persons I sent to Peggy my own puppy that one which I was choose for to keep for my self , I explain that to her and she was agree and happy with the new girl , and now she wrote again bad things about me , I can´t believe and I so sad because I sent to her the most beautifull girl . Now she start to use pics from Ch. Lion D´Or which I sold to another breeder in U.S , of course she use my pics because the dog which I sold to her is in short coat or maybe in bad condition , I´m very happy she don´t want to buy any other dog from me , because for sure I never will sale another puppy to a realy bad breeder like that which mix breed , use large dogs for to have large litters totally out of the Yorkie Standar . Javier Coronel from California wild´s Kennel .

[Sugar's Mom]

I am sorry you are going thru all this. I have looked at your dogs forever and they are very beautiful. I have always wanted one to show but never could afford one. Don't let people get to you. I am a breeder also and know it is hard to please everyone. If I were you, I would ask her to take the pictures down from her website since you did not give her permission. I'm sure you have already done this but i would threaten her with a lawsuit if she did not remove them. Good luck.

[bjh]

I am sorry you are going through all this but I don't understand why you would have dealt with someone like this to begin with. If you have beautiful show dogs why would you sell to someone who you consider a inreputable breeder? And then to send them some extra small females seems irresponsible to me. I don't know who this Peggy Nitro is but your post really makes both of you look bad. If she is using your pictures in a unlawful way then you can try to sue her. Just be careful who you sell to. You don't have to sell to anyone you think is unreputable, even if they insist.

[javier2905]

Hi , Yes you totally right , is just hard when you are out of the Country and you know the people just through the emails , she sound like a very friendly and nice persons the first time , and look like she try to be a better breeder and make better quality , and also she told me which she doesn´t care about the small size of the female because she has very large breed females and she want a small one for to take with her to everywhere , inmediatly I sent the female to her she ask me if she can breed her , so of course her intention was that one from the very first time , but I lerned my lessons now , I just so sorry for my dogs because they are in thew wrong hands . Javier .

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by javier2905

Hi , Yes you totally right , is just hard when you are out of the Country and you know the people just through the emails , she sound like a very friendly and nice persons the first time , and look like she try to be a better breeder and make better quality , and also she told me which she doesn´t care about the small size of the female because she has very large breed females and she want a small one for to take with her to everywhere , inmediatly I sent the female to her she ask me if she can breed her , so of course her intention was that one from the very first time , but I lerned my lessons now , I just so sorry for my dogs because they are in thew wrong hands . Javier .

People can sound very nice etc in emails. This situation you are in has happened to breeders who are reputable, putting their lines and those kennel names behind their lines in the wrong hands.
One thing that always arouses suspicion for the motives of someone looking to buy a dog for show or breeding, is why are they enquiring so far from home? It may well be they are looking for new lines etc, but what you might do is find other breeders who happen to live in the area where the enquirer lives. Ask them if they know this person and what they know about them.
In too many cases, no one in their area will sell to them because they know it is not a good situation.
Also, as you are in Argentina or for those living in other countries, you don't have a contract with the buyer and if you do very difficult if not impossible to enforce. Europe does not have contracts, they are considered illegal and cannot be enforced. Often buyers of the type you described don't want a contract as they want to do as they please and often not in the best interest of the breed or the dogs.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by javier2905

Hi , Yes you totally right , is just hard when you are out of the Country and you know the people just through the emails , she sound like a very friendly and nice persons the first time , and look like she try to be a better breeder and make better quality , and also she told me which she doesn´t care about the small size of the female because she has very large breed females and she want a small one for to take with her to everywhere , inmediatly I sent the female to her she ask me if she can breed her , so of course her intention was that one from the very first time , but I lerned my lessons now , I just so sorry for my dogs because they are in thew wrong hands . Javier .

if you have a signed contract is there a clause in it that allows you to repossess the puppy if it is not taken care of or obtained thru fraudulent pretense? if so, then get the dog back. I have done it and do not feel one bit bad about it.

[peggynitro]

Originally Posted by javier2905

My name is Javier Coronel , I´m de Owner of California Wild´s Kennel in Argentina , I´m little bit tired to see how many breeders use the pictures from my dogs , in their websites , in their adds , and is funny because many of them even didn´t buy any dog from me . Also I was sad because I saw what Peggy Nitro wrote about me , I sold to her a very nice male from Ch. California Wild´s Lion D´Or , later she made a complain because her Vet haved to took off many baby tooth , but later when the dog grow , she haved to admit a big mistake , her Vet took off many adult tooth also, after that she sent to me emails because she want to but one or two females from my kennel , I wasen´t very happy with that because what happens before , and also because she told me which she mix breed ( s**th-zu X Yorkies ) she use very large ugly Yorkies females and mix with s**th-zu males , what is that ?? a reputable breeder never do something like that , anyway she insist and sent to me the payment for " One " female and told me which later she will send the payment for the second one , the two females puppys which she choose were small , also one of them haved somes hipoglucemia episode and unfortunally she die , the other one was so extra small size , and I took the desition to sale her to a local buyer just as a pet , and because I´m very responsable persons I sent to Peggy my own puppy that one which I was choose for to keep for my self , I explain that to her and she was agree and happy with the new girl , and now she wrote again bad things about me , I can´t believe and I so sad because I sent to her the most beautifull girl . Now she start to use pics from Ch. Lion D´Or which I sold to another breeder in U.S , of course she use my pics because the dog which I sold to her is in short coat or maybe in bad condition , I´m very happy she don´t want to buy any other dog from me , because for sure I never will sale another puppy to a realy bad breeder like that which mix breed , use large dogs for to have large litters totally out of the Yorkie Standar . Javier Coronel from California wild´s Kennel .

I had thought that I wrote about my experience with Mr. Colonel in the most professional manner possible but maybe not. I can certainly understand his frustration with people using his pictures and they did not even purchase one of his dogs. But, this is not the case in my case. I guess I don't appreciate Mr Colonal's unprofessional mannerisms by calling my dogs ugly, claiming my dogs are in bad health, etc. The dog with the teeth issues was sent to me in that condition (mouth full of double rows of teeth). He was about 9 months old at the time I recieved him. And "I" am being accused of treating my pets poorly. Okay.....I accept the critisim. I have big shoulders. I can take the beating. My contract with Javier didn't say anything with reference to using any dogs photos. I'm "BAD" (I guess).

[peggynitro]

Originally Posted by javier2905

Hi , Yes you totally right , is just hard when you are out of the Country and you know the people just through the emails , she sound like a very friendly and nice persons the first time , and look like she try to be a better breeder and make better quality , and also she told me which she doesn´t care about the small size of the female because she has very large breed females and she want a small one for to take with her to everywhere , inmediatly I sent the female to her she ask me if she can breed her , so of course her intention was that one from the very first time , but I lerned my lessons now , I just so sorry for my dogs because they are in thew wrong hands . Javier .

Javier, I am sorry if there are communication problems (Spanish/ English) causing all these misunderstandings.

I just can't bite my lip and let it go with your accusations that I breed large size dogs etc. I have all the emails between us to back my story and I easily prove #1) that I was to buy 2 dogs from you but you sold one without even any thought as to what I thought about you selling one of the dogs you sold to me. And #2) I purchased a 5# female from you and you SENT ME some strange female that I had never even hear of before.

I paid $2600 USD for CH Sired a female dog from you. Her name was Kormic Light but who you sent me was a different female whom I learn much later that her name is Kiss of Live (on her paperwork). She is non-CH sired, not the dog I bought, you never once mentioned anything had happened to Kormic Light until after you sent Kiss, and Kiss is barely 2 pounds at 18 weeks old.

OF COURSE I'm going to ask you your opinion on breeding her. And OF COURSE you told me "Go Ahead And Try It", "See What Happens". You also told me she was to be kept for breeding for you. Is it your policy to use 2 pound females in your breeding program? OF COURSE, I prefer bigger females (4.5 pound to 8 pound). BUT NOT, 2 pound females!

Wouldn't it make much better business sense that when you had the problem with Kormic that you write to me and offer me the choice to either get my money back, wait for another litter/pup, or take another dog? Is it your policty to just inadvertantly just ship a buyer another replacement dog without their knowledge??

I would be more than happy to return this tiny female that you wanted to keep for your breeding program there. She's NOT the dog I purchased from you so all expenses to return her is your problem.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by peggynitro

I had thought that I wrote about my experience with Mr. Colonel in the most professional manner possible but maybe not. I can certainly understand his frustration with people using his pictures and they did not even purchase one of his dogs. But, this is not the case in my case. I guess I don't appreciate Mr Colonal's unprofessional mannerisms by calling my dogs ugly, claiming my dogs are in bad health, etc. The dog with the teeth issues was sent to me in that condition (mouth full of double rows of teeth). He was about 9 months old at the time I recieved him. And "I" am being accused of treating my pets poorly. Okay.....I accept the critisim. I have big shoulders. I can take the beating. My contract with Javier didn't say anything with reference to using any dogs photos. I'm "BAD" (I guess).

How in the world can you call hi unprofessional when you are breeding mixed breeds? From what I see on puppyfind, i don't see how you can say anything about this man. And if you took the pictures from his website it is copyrighted material. How can you market a 15 day old pup as a "show potential"?

http://www.puppyfind.com/l/?acct_id=...20dcd6e95e314f

[spr377]

I hope you both can resolve this amicably!

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by javier2905

My name is Javier Coronel , I´m de Owner of California Wild´s Kennel in Argentina , I´m little bit tired to see how many breeders use the pictures from my dogs , in their websites , in their adds , and is funny because many of them even didn´t buy any dog from me . Also I was sad because I saw what Peggy Nitro wrote about me , I sold to her a very nice male from Ch. California Wild´s Lion D´Or , later she made a complain because her Vet haved to took off many baby tooth , but later when the dog grow , she haved to admit a big mistake , her Vet took off many adult tooth also, after that she sent to me emails because she want to but one or two females from my kennel , I wasen´t very happy with that because what happens before , and also because she told me which she mix breed ( s**th-zu X Yorkies ) she use very large ugly Yorkies females and mix with s**th-zu males , what is that ?? a reputable breeder never do something like that , anyway she insist and sent to me the payment for " One " female and told me which later she will send the payment for the second one , the two females puppys which she choose were small , also one of them haved somes hipoglucemia episode and unfortunally she die , the other one was so extra small size , and I took the desition to sale her to a local buyer just as a pet , and because I´m very responsable persons I sent to Peggy my own puppy that one which I was choose for to keep for my self , I explain that to her and she was agree and happy with the new girl , and now she wrote again bad things about me , I can´t believe and I so sad because I sent to her the most beautifull girl . Now she start to use pics from Ch. Lion D´Or which I sold to another breeder in U.S , of course she use my pics because the dog which I sold to her is in short coat or maybe in bad condition , I´m very happy she don´t want to buy any other dog from me , because for sure I never will sale another puppy to a realy bad breeder like that which mix breed , use large dogs for to have large litters totally out of the Yorkie Standar . Javier Coronel from California wild´s Kennel .

Since she is using your pictures on PuppyFind to advertise her 15 day old show potentials. you can report her to PuppyFind and her account will be removed. That doesn't cost anything.

[peggynitro]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

How in the world can you call hi unprofessional when you are breeding mixed breeds?

The Yorkshire Terrier traces to the Waterside Terrier, a small longish-coated dog, bluish-gray in color, weighing between 6 and 20 pounds (most commonly 10 pounds). The Waterside Terrier was a breed formed by the crossing of the old rough-coated Black-and-Tan English Terrier (common in the Manchester area) and the Paisley and Clydesdale Terriers. It was brought to Yorkshire by weavers who migrated from Scotland to England in the mid-19th century.

The Yorkshire Terrier made its first appearance at a bench show in England in 1861 as a "broken-haired Scotch Terrier". It became known as a Yorkshire Terrier in 1870 when, after the Westmoreland show, Angus Sutherland reported in The Field magazine that "they ought no longer be called Scotch Terriers, but Yorkshire Terriers for having been so improved there."

I'm not trying to be a smart allic or anything by pasting this information from the AKC (oops I'm stealing again) but I thought maybe it be to your benefit to realize that many breeds were a combination between other breeds, etc. The Yorkshire Terrior is a combo too!

So, your not liking that I'm mixing two breeds is really a sad and close minded view. Have you seen that AKC is just now registering mixed breeds to the AKC dog family? I prefer not to register mine with them as AKC still has an attitude about some mixed breeds and wants them spay/neutered before they'll register them. But what's that say about mixing breeds??

Anyway, take care. I have dogs to tend to.

[peggynitro]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Since she is using your pictures on PuppyFind to advertise her 15 day old show potentials. you can report her to PuppyFind and her account will be removed. That doesn't cost anything.

I'm way ahead of that. I've reported him to PuppyFind that he sold me one dog (actually two) but then shipped me a completely different dog. I have tried to resolve this (FYI) by offering him his 2 lb breeder female back that he just shipped me (the wrong dog). Let's see if he really wanted her all that bad like he claims.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by peggynitro

The Yorkshire Terrier traces to the Waterside Terrier, a small longish-coated dog, bluish-gray in color, weighing between 6 and 20 pounds (most commonly 10 pounds). The Waterside Terrier was a breed formed by the crossing of the old rough-coated Black-and-Tan English Terrier (common in the Manchester area) and the Paisley and Clydesdale Terriers. It was brought to Yorkshire by weavers who migrated from Scotland to England in the mid-19th century.

The Yorkshire Terrier made its first appearance at a bench show in England in 1861 as a "broken-haired Scotch Terrier". It became known as a Yorkshire Terrier in 1870 when, after the Westmoreland show, Angus Sutherland reported in The Field magazine that "they ought no longer be called Scotch Terriers, but Yorkshire Terriers for having been so improved there."

I'm not trying to be a smart allic or anything by pasting this information from the AKC (oops I'm stealing again) but I thought maybe it be to your benefit to realize that many breeds were a combination between other breeds, etc. The Yorkshire Terrior is a combo too!

So, your not liking that I'm mixing two breeds is really a sad and close minded view. Have you seen that AKC is just now registering mixed breeds to the AKC dog family? I prefer not to register mine with them as AKC still has an attitude about some mixed breeds and wants them spay/neutered before they'll register them. But what's that say about mixing breeds??

Anyway, take care. I have dogs to tend to.

The AKC isnt registering mixed breeds they are just recognizing them now so they can compete in agility thats all

[BamaFan121s]

I believe it's safe to say that most here are fully aware that the Yorkshire Terrier came to be by the selective combination of various breeds. However, they were bred and established for a purpose and overtime were recognized as an established breed.

So, what is your purpose in mixing breeds? Disagreeing with the practice is not "close minded" as you put it--it's having the knowledge to recognize that it's not being done for any purpose other than to meet the demand of those wanting to follow the current fad of having a "designer dog" with a cutesy name. IMO, it's an "easy way out" for people who want to breed. There is no standard that has to be met and the benefit of it being a mutt makes it easy to skirt around the health issues that plague individual breeds.

The AKC is allowing mixed breeds to be registered so that they can compete in non-conformation events, nothing more. They are not registering them as separate, recognized breeds that can be bred and are requiring that they be spay/neutred before they are eligible....so yes, indeed, what DOES that say about their stance on it?