Hello everyone im looking for right answer here have delima

[wildnet]

Had a beutiful litter of yorkie pups back in may friend came to help with some placenta problems
got on here and ask for help
we posted pic of the mom and litter that night.
by the next day i get a call from my friend asking what will i take for four at 12 weeks
i gave her a deal knowing she was going to help move the pups faster
I agreed to a price as of 12 weeks them pay shipping. I have never shipped a pup
took a while got a small deposit brought to me by my friend in cash
the pups are right at 60 days past due of leaving my home and i was in an accident
couldnt get anywhere with the friend on where my money was or if they were still getting them.
i sent an email for her telling her after the 12 weeks the deposit was no longer valid as i do with anyone i make an agreement with. i told in the email that if they still wanted the pups they would have to pay the whole amount before including the deposit they had lost.
Which i thought fair giving i was injured and had to hire people in to care for pups which i could have already moved at earlier age locally
To make a long story short
I dont know how to contact the lady sending the money expecting pups except through my friend.
i sent an email through her to tell the other person involved when they were 50 days late i could no longer just accept the original price and what i was willing to work with her with
again no response
This lady still believes she is getting 4 pups at the original price.
I havent been paid for the extra time or deposit lost and my friend is now upset im going to cause her to be mixed up in a lawsuit i feel im caught in the middle and my friend has let me down by not representing me in my best intrest and i have lost money on this litter which i could easily make up by sending 3 pups and selling another to make up for the difference i am owed.
But my friend has told me she has talked to a lawyer friend and now she feels caught in the middle
i have no idea of the amount she charged the person for the pups i do know how much i have recieved and even if the agreement had been kept by the third party i havent recieved all of that either.
Im torn between trusting a fellow yorkie friend as well as dissapointing a lady that i believe thinks she has four on the way to her as of this sunday and
i really dont know what to do. My friend hasnt given me any contact info at all for this third party. i dont want to sound like im not appreciative but at the same time im not sure who is really crapping on who here i need help.
Any other time i have had to hold pups for longer i have been reimbursed for care and time
Im searching for the right thing to do without loosing my but here help me please.

[Sunnie]

I guess I would say... what kind of friend is she if she will not communicate with you what is going on. Those are YOUR puppies and YOU alone have the right to sell them to anyone you want. And to back out if you do not feel right about it. I think I would sell the puppies elsewhere and be prepared to return the deposit just to get out of selling them to this lady. The thing that bothers me is, WHO is this lady? WHO buys 4 puppies at once except a puppymill? I would not sell MY puppies to someone who I could not meet and see what environment they are going to. YOU alone hold all the cards.. NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU SELL THE PUPPIES TO THIS LADY. If you want to be respected as a responsible breeder, I would NOT go thru with this deal. It makes it sound like it is all about the money and NOT about the best interest of these puppies. That is just how I read it.

[TLC]

Originally Posted by Sunnie

I guess I would say... what kind of friend is she if she will not communicate with you what is going on. Those are YOUR puppies and YOU alone have the right to sell them to anyone you want. And to back out if you do not feel right about it. I think I would sell the puppies elsewhere and be prepared to return the deposit just to get out of selling them to this lady. The thing that bothers me is, WHO is this lady? WHO buys 4 puppies at once except a puppymill? I would not sell MY puppies to someone who I could not meet and see what environment they are going to. YOU alone hold all the cards.. NO ONE CAN MAKE YOU SELL THE PUPPIES TO THIS LADY. If you want to be respected as a responsible breeder, I would NOT go thru with this deal. It makes it sound like it is all about the money and NOT about the best interest of these puppies. That is just how I read it.

I totally agree with this....(Good Posting)

...sorry to say, but it doesn't sound at all like you really care where these pups wind up. It sounds like this is simply a $ business for you. Your 'friend' sounds like a broker who was then selling the pups to a miller and sorry to say but you do not sound like a responsible breeder.

Please make sure your pups are going to a loving and caring 'pet' home only.

[wildnet]

I appreciate you responding i would love to talk to the people who were suppose to get the pups they were suppost to be for show. They are a special line and were lucky enough i thought to have been picked for a specialty line
I dont even know if they were going to one lady or three actually because of my accident i had very little to do with the sale i trusted in her.
AND i believe if it were me in her showes i would atleast ask how she could make it right even if she doesnt want to reveal who they are and how much she made.
The person is from this sight supposably. I havent a clue. dont even know if she forwarded any of the emails i sent for the buyers. I dont feel right about the deal and do believe i will return the money unless they come forward and explain things and try to atleast work with me.
Hard decisions thanks for responding though seen where others were looking but no one was helping me feel right about how i was feeling. I do feel real uneasy about the whole deal and am still owed half as far as i see it of what i deserve and i need that information for my records as well i hope the situation changes for the better before friday my nerves cant take much more

[wildnet]

Sorry failed to mention she does shows these were picked for show no so much for breeding. Or so i was told They wanted this line for show like i said i had an accident i have never flown or sold dogs like this she was suppose to be helping me because i wanted these lines to go west for another line of yorkie not so much about puppymill thing to me i was excited they were picked for this purpose or so i was told now i dont know what to believe i feel because i was hurt i also had a lack in judgement and agree i think for making me hold the pups and not wanting to give me information i should abandon the sale all together and if she gives me the name of the contact and how much money she got is put on the table i will try to payback some maybe but still i did the work and trusted her im dedicated yorki lover and have nothing but the best desire for my babies please dont judge me for trusting a friend who offered my babies a glamour life i thought it was the perfect way to help my family and get the babies placed quickly i guess my lack in judgement is just as at fault as hers But it isnt like i havent been trying to stop this sale since the twelves weeks i promised was up

[Ladyhawk]

Usually show potential pups aren't sold until they are about 6 months old. It is not only unwise for an exhibitor to buy a pup without even talking to the breeder, it is irresponsible for a breeder to sell a pup to anyone without at least knowing something about that person. With the economy on shakey ground I would be worried about getting a decent price for the pups at all and give up any idea of being paid for the extra time that they have been in your home. I would have questions about someone who wanted to buy 4 pups sight unseen especially with full registration. Where are your contracts? I'd rethink the whole deal, give the woman back her money and start again. IMO this was a really bad judgement call on your part. Best to learn from the mistake and start over.

[Sunnie]

I agree with Tami. I sure don't know of anyone who would buy puppies to show without seeing them in person and evaluating them first. I think someone is lying to you.

[kelkiss5]

Well to be honest with you, there is no way I woudl sell 4 pups to the same person. Sounds like they just want to make a few bucks on them.
The last litter I had, someone called me looking a pup.I told them that I had none left. They said oh what a pity because I would have took the whole litter of you. I said back I dont think so because I would never have sold them all to you anyway!!!!!. I no excatly what would have hapened to those puppys, they would have been sold on for a higher price. I gotta say that this was my first experience of what I thought was a puppy mill. And I am sooooooo glad that I no better. I sure hope its the last.

[wildnet]

i have discussed this with my friend the lack of contact is from the third party mostly but i am returning the money and i will sell my babies myself.
They just mean to much to me to put them in cargo and never know where they went or what kinda homes they have. The money isnt everything. They mean more to me.
I would like to thank all of you for your responses. I had no problem telling the third party no way in H*** was she getting them but it put my friend in the middle she is younger and this was her first flight order. I myself dont fly my babies. i will do ground travel i love road trips and seeing there new homes. But with my back broken it seemed like a nice plan to have them all a home the more it went onward it smelled more and more like a puppy mill deal to me and her. She told me today she didnt blame me she felt the same way. So not only did i learn, she did as well and the pups are here with me safe after 5 months im really attached and there homes mean more than everr and im better now out of my brace and if they have to live out there lives here i would never complain.
thank you all so much. its nice to be able to get your suspicions validated with people that understand how much you love your babies.
thank you all

[SET Yorkies]

I've stated this in the past, but must reiterate it here.... contracts are a necessary part of doing business.... If you have well drafted contracts, you can avoid these issues.... I, too, am sceptical as to the nature of the deal as I would never purchase foundation stock or show potential dogs until 6 mo of age unless I knew the breeder very very well.... I would most certainly give the entire deposit back and sell these puppies properly (good homes, alteration specifications, ect...) Also, to what "speciality line" are you referring? There are wonderful families here on Yorkie Talk looking for quality puppies.... Post here for buyers perhaps....

[katelin]

Glad to see you have made the right choice. We all live and learn. Best of luck finding perfect homes for your puppies.

[Susan123]

I agree with Tami and the issues she brought up. I'm sure you're upset about the extra time and money caring for them. You'll have to swallow it and put in place a well thought out, detailed contract next time. Chalk it up to a lesson learned.