Looking for good/show quaility Male yorkie

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

I thought the dog was pretty too and all the poor OP was asking was should she get him because of his dark head and it has evolved into all this. She vaguley mentioned show/breeding then went on to say she was getting him but what did we think of his dark head. WHEWWWWWWWWWWWW. i ain't even going to say anymore because I am a breeder who has never seen the show ring, don't intend to as far as I know, might someday have champion lines and many well known names on my pedigrees . I have sold my puppies to people that are planning on TRYING them in the ring and it's not been by me telling them to. In fact, it's the other way round because I wouldn't know a show dog from any other nice one. I know I have seen some show dogs, I wouldn't buy and wondered why in the world is that dog in the ring. because of all that, when the threads take this direction about who should sell, who should breed and etc I tend to take this stuff way too personal. i usually try to stay out of these threads because I would say way too much since I feel like I am one of those being talked about in these threads and it could turn ugly. i happen to think there are a lot of knowledagable breeders and well respected breeders that are not show people and have just as much right to breed as the show people do. you all have to forgive me tonight. I have already said more than I intended . I am turning off for tonight.

The original post was not vaguely mentioning show/breeding as the titles of the thread says Looking for good/show quality male. To me that did NOT say hi I am looking for a cute pet.
No one said he wasn't cute, but this is not a show quality.
If you were involved directly in shows, you would know a lot of stuff you don't understand or know now.
Anybody has the right to do as they wish and you certainly are entitled to your opinion, however, the reputable show breeders have a right to their opinions as well and what we think of people who breed without showing and sell show dogs without knowledge of the shows.
Note: I didn't name a name, not going to. Whatever category you think you fit into is up to you.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

If you were involved directly in shows, you would know a lot of stuff you don't understand or know now.

Ouch! That's a bit harsh. But thank you for helping to prove a point.

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Note: I didn't name a name, not going to. Whatever category you think you fit into is up to you.

Well, you kind of 'named a name' by quoting someone and responding to their post, don't you think...

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Ouch! That's a bit harsh. But thank you for helping to prove a point.



Well, you kind of 'named a name' by quoting someone and responding to their post, don't you think...

Responding to a post doesn't mean I am saying anything about that person exactly merely responding to points they are bringing up leading into further information in general which is how a conversation evolves. As I said before, what each person does is up to them and certainly someone who doesn't know about something is entitled to whatever information someone might have by experience based on the original question. The original posters on any of these threads can certainly do as they wish.
I don't pay much attention to who people are on this forum or what they do because I don't really care. I will however, share knowledge and experience to hopefully, help anyone who might want more information.

[JESSY_RN2B]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

you have been very respectful . I always tend to take these threads personal because I am just getting started and have such a good bunch of dogs. I guess it goes back to when i first joined here being told over and over that I had no business breeding because i do not show. Some people were downright rude. I feel that I am too old to begin to show. i am sixty now and it take so many years, I know i would never be able to finish one at my age.

Don't take anything personal if you don't fit the description. Yes, I agree, some people are "downright rude" but this thread was not the case in my humble opinion. No one should tell you what to do..........people can always 'advice/recommend/share thoughts' but ultimately you are going to do what you want. As long as you are comfortable knowing that you are helping/improving the breed, are not in it for the monetary side and are willing to yield the right away to those who have been there and done that much longer than you and others..........it should all be peaches and cream.

Like I said before, I don't come to YT to kill time. I do keep post everywhere else but do take the time to research and learn. It's funny how you get a feel for people too..........and after a while you know who is who. I appreciate eveyone who has ever answered my questions, everyone who has offered to answer them and everyone who continues to post their experiences.

At the end, no personal feelings should be hurt. If there are, something is wrong on either end.

I can uderstand what you mean about it possibly being to late for you..........it may it may not. But those of use who are very young still have the possibility to get there if we start early. I can only imagine starting now and getting to where some of you are at your point in life currently. I would have lots to offer to those behind me. Those who truly care and are all for preserving the breed.

I myself am a reader and learn through these posts. Yes, I keep my posts strictly out of the breeder's section because I don't have any input.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Responding to a post doesn't mean I am saying anything about that person exactly merely responding to points they are bringing up leading into further information in general which is how a conversation evolves. As I said before, what each person does is up to them and certainly someone who doesn't know about something is entitled to whatever information someone might have by experience based on the original question. The original posters on any of these threads can certainly do as they wish.
I don't pay much attention to who people are on this forum or what they do because I don't really care. I will however, share knowledge and experience to hopefully, help anyone who might want more information.

but your message is always the same, if you are not a show breeder, you have no right to breed because what could YOU possibly know. Maybe not in those exact words but always the same message and whether you admit it or not, blasting those of us that do have good lines for using them in our breeding programs trying to captalize on the line. and how the show person would react if they only know. Well, I purchased a Glenmar bitch yesterday and have full permission to use her to breed. in fact, she was sold to me to breed. She has a lot Glenmar and almost as much Rothby's and a few other good lines. you can bet I will use that pedigree on my website. in fact, i have permission to use the name Glenmar in whatever I name her.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

The question I would ask is did this breeder selling these dogs that are champion sired put the championships on them themselves? Have they put the work in to show them?
I see many breeders selling puppies, champion sired or champion lined, but not their champions on their kennel name rather off the work of someone else that they got a hold of the lines indirectly because a reputable show breeder trusted someone they now regret trusting.
If this actually is a show breeder that has done this who shows the dogs themselves and the champions are their own kennel name, that is pretty disheartening and you can bet not many other show breeders are going to be willing to trust that breeder with their lines when they are looking for some new blood to bring into their lines.
JMHO

I don't know the full story but from what I was told...the male that was purchased was originally held back for show. However, he was extremely shy and that's why he was sold. The breeder from what I got was a show breeder and has championed some on their own.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

but your message is always the same, if you are not a show breeder, you have no right to breed because what could YOU possibly know. Maybe not in those exact words but always the same message and whether you admit it or not, blasting those of us that do have good lines for using them in our breeding programs trying to captalize on the line. and how the show person would react if they only know. Well, I purchased a Glenmar bitch yesterday and have full permission to use her to breed. in fact, she was sold to me to breed. She has a lot Glenmar and almost as much Rothby's and a few other good lines. you can bet I will use that pedigree on my website. in fact, i have permission to use the name Glenmar in whatever I name her.

If you are happy with what you are doing why blast me? Now I am confused as I am not upset with you. As I said before it doesn't matter to me what you do or don't do that is up to you.
I do know what I believe in, why I do what I do, what experiences have happened out there and as part of the show world, again, my beliefs are based on the mentoring of showbreeders of 20+ years experience in Yorkies.
Anyone else reading this thread can make their own decisions. The information has to be there for anyone who wants to get into breeding in whatever manner they chose to make that decision of what they wish to do and we do have the freedom to do as we chose.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

I don't know the full story but from what I was told...the male that was purchased was originally held back for show. However, he was extremely shy and that's why he was sold. The breeder from what I got was a show breeder and has championed some on their own.

Also to add...the male is either right around a year old or a little over a year old. I've seen pictures of him and he's a mighty handsome fella...complete with a beautiful silk, floor length coat.

[Saleswman]

do I need to duck?

Think I will quietly bow out........I just thought the original poster and I had something in common.......to learn, to show and to have a future in Yorkie Land....it has now gotten a little less informational....JMO

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Saleswman

do I need to duck?

No you don't need to duck.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

If you are happy with what you are doing why blast me? Now I am confused as I am not upset with you. As I said before it doesn't matter to me what you do or don't do that is up to you.
I do know what I believe in, why I do what I do, what experiences have happened out there and as part of the show world, again, my beliefs are based on the mentoring of showbreeders of 20+ years experience in Yorkies.
Anyone else reading this thread can make their own decisions. The information has to be there for anyone who wants to get into breeding in whatever manner they chose to make that decision of what they wish to do and we do have the freedom to do as we chose.

Ok! I'm gonna chime in here. Lorraine mentioned nothing on this thread about anyone not breeding unless you showed. What she is attempting is to educate a newbie as to how and from who a show prospect/quality dog should be obtained. Attempting to help this person get off to a good start and not fall into some of the traps both she and I did in the beginning.

[Saleswman]

You are always so nice to me....

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Mardelin

No you don't need to duck.

[baby03]

Originally Posted by JESSY_RN2B

I will throw in my possibly unwelcomed 2 cents and 'observation'.

I for one, appreciate reading what I do. Personally, I don't see where this thread went down hill or anyone should have been offended. No one was naming anyone and the show breeders/exhibitors input is valid and interesting to read. I can understand and agree with what is said based on.....1). These people intentions are improving/preserving the breed, 2). They have been there and done that. 3). The show world is a small one and it is only with ethics, integrity, and honesty that anyone could possibly survive.

If I had put my life, years, sacrifices, money, research etc into this....I too would love to share my experiences and the 'real deal' when it comes to this. I am green as can be about all this.......but I am young and willing to learn. I don't spend my time on here just killing time...........I appreciate the invaluable information I get here. No one is born knowing and it is only through experience and time that one gets 'there'. If you are lucky enough to know one that is already 'there' to teach you and share their knowlege then what a blessing (provided ethics/integrity/trust is always present). If not, then those who are already there can take it to the grave with them. Not everyone is willing to 'educate' others. Again, I appreciate eveything I read and learn on here.........and that option should be there. No one should feel that they cannot post their life experiences or 'honest truth'.........everyone else should either move on or wear the shoes if it fits them.

This is the internet and it is very easy to get offended (we all have been there). If you decide to breed or show.....you are more prone to it since the subject is always an ongoing one. I guess everything comes with a price tag.

I hope you (or anyone) take this the wrong way, but I have always found that a clean conscious and feeling run side by side. If one knows in their heart that they are doing things right and are at peace with themselves...........they could give a crap what others have to say. It's easy to just brush it off and move on.

As a reader, I see nothing wrong with this thread. Everyone was curteous and respectful, no names were mentioned and no one was bad-mouthed. I am sure the possibilty exists that there are members here who are hurting the breed or are destined to be BYB (why would I think any different.....it's the net). No one should get offended if the shoe doesn't fit.


I am not a breeder or show. This is my mere observation/opinion. Also, I don't expect people flaming me or keep quoting me after this and getting all testy. I am here to learn and don't have time to 'fire away'. My PM always has space though and if anyone wants to.......please feel free.

I feel I have been respectful and not directed this to anyone.

Jess

I agree

I for one think we should appreciate their experience in breeding and showing and put it to good use instead of getting upset!!

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

I don't know the full story but from what I was told...the male that was purchased was originally held back for show. However, he was extremely shy and that's why he was sold. The breeder from what I got was a show breeder and has championed some on their own.

Read my last line of my post in the quote in your own post.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by Saleswman

do I need to duck?

Think I will quietly bow out........I just thought the original poster and I had something in common.......to learn, to show and to have a future in Yorkie Land....it has now gotten a little less informational....JMO

No you don't have to duck. families are like this, we disagree at times but still are there in a heartbeat if someone needs us.