Looking for good/show quaility Male yorkie

[BigMomma_ah]

No, it's not the same puppy, the other one is 6 months old and his head is gold.

[BigMomma_ah]

Thanks Mardelin for the heads up on the head! Would you still consider breeding him or not?
If you don't mind me asking why don't small ones do well in the ring? Remember I do not show but I am looking to possibly do it in the future.

[BamaFan121s]

oops..double post

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by BigMomma_ah

Thanks Mardelin for the heads up on the head! Would you still consider breeding him or not?
If you don't mind me asking why don't small ones do well in the ring? Remember I do not show but I am looking to possibly do it in the future.

So then the particular show potential male you are in search of now is just for breeding purposes, not for show? I can only speak of what I have experienced, but generally if a breeder produces a pup that they feel may do well in the ring, they want to make sure it is given the chance to do just that. Just be aware that may make a difference when working with breeders....especially if you are fairly new to breeding? Trust me, I've been down that road myself.

[Yorkiedaze]

It would be a terrible waste for a breeder to let a show quality pup go to what they think is a show home only to find out it isn't. I hope no one pulls that one on a breeder.
That puppy is too dark for the ring, but I'll tell you one thing........if that was a little girl, I'd beat you to her. I LOVE his look!!!!

[BigMomma_ah]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

So then the particular show potential male you are in search of now is just for breeding purposes, not for show? I can only speak of what I have experienced, but generally if a breeder produces a pup that they feel may do well in the ring, they want to make sure it is given the chance to do just that. Just be aware that may make a difference when working with breeders....especially if you are fairly new to breeding? Trust me, I've been down that road myself.

I will be breeding the male that I decide to get. I do plan on showing in the future and would rather get a show potential now, so when I do get ready or the puppy is ready, then I'll already have what I'm looking for. If the situation arises and I get a chance to get a show puppy and the breeder says that the dog must be shown then I will show him.
In general I was wondering if you would breed a yorkie with a darker head or not.
I know I posted a touchy thread but I am interested and would like some help.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BigMomma_ah

Thanks Mardelin for the heads up on the head! Would you still consider breeding him or not?
If you don't mind me asking why don't small ones do well in the ring? Remember I do not show but I am looking to possibly do it in the future.

What you're asking me cannot be answered with a yes or no. I never breed unless I've Championed a dog.
I didn't buy a dog to show without extensive research not only on the pedigree but, the breeder. My search was very detailed. Once I found the Breeder, it took me a year and half for her to get to know me and trust me with her line. I attended many shows, did alot of schlup work and jumping through hoops. And even after getting my show dog, I traveled with her and her then handler (I'm now her handler) to learn everything about grooming and handling, before she would allow me into the ring. I do not breed without her approval. My studs are only used for me and of course her. As she retains stud rights. Any dogs that leave my house are on a spay/nueter. And if by chance I happen to have a show potential/quality that I'm considering of letting go, I have to know the person on a very personal level and trust the 100% that they'll guard these lines. Even then, there is a very stringent contract.

So again, it's not a yes or a no answer.

As for why the little ones don't do well, I can't answer. I'm not saying a small male isn't finishable, but it is difficult. You want substance, body and bone on a dog.
Remember when going into the ring, you are asking the judge's approval of your breeding stock. So, it's in the best interest and the yorkie breed to take them the very best.

[BigMomma_ah]

Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze

It would be a terrible waste for a breeder to let a show quality pup go to what they think is a show home only to find out it isn't. I hope no one pulls that one on a breeder.
That puppy is too dark for the ring, but I'll tell you one thing........if that was a little girl, I'd beat you to her. I LOVE his look!!!!

Not to mention the wast of money one would spend on a show dog and not show it. Show quality pups arn't cheep!
I love this look too, I'm not sure yet but I think I might get him anyway! I can't help it.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

So then the particular show potential male you are in search of now is just for breeding purposes, not for show? I can only speak of what I have experienced, but generally if a breeder produces a pup that they feel may do well in the ring, they want to make sure it is given the chance to do just that. Just be aware that may make a difference when working with breeders....especially if you are fairly new to breeding? Trust me, I've been down that road myself.

all the above PLUS, some will tie you up in a show contract so tight you won't even know you own the dog and sue you if you don't show and finish, Also they will tell you who you can breed or not breed to and most will co own the dog and retain all papers until the dog is finisheed. Lot's to think about.

[Sugar's Mom]

Originally Posted by BigMomma_ah

Not to mention the wast of money one would spend on a show dog and not show it. Show quality pups arn't cheep!
I love this look too, I'm not sure yet but I think I might get him anyway! I can't help it.

I think he is very beautiful

[BamaFan121s]

The lineage of the female (as well as the male) you plan on breeding to (in regards to color for this matter) plays a big part of if a darker male should be bred. It's impossible to get a solid answer from anyone here on if he should or shouldn't be bred based off of a picture alone. Maybe your mentor could go with you to look at the little guy? (Mine was sure helpful in finding our stock.)

Lol...but he is a cutie and as you stated, you "can't help yourself" Sounds to me like you've already made your decision. I think Mardelin had an excellent point though...if you are dead set on a show potential dog for breeding, and this little guy is only going to be around 3 pounds...then he's not what you've described that your looking for.

I will look forward to seeing any cute pictures of any dog you select in any case!

[furby2000]

Originally Posted by BigMomma_ah

Show quality or not I think I'm going to grab up this little one! I just think he's breath taking!

I agree with you! You should!! He is adorable!!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

all the above PLUS, some will tie you up in a show contract so tight you won't even know you own the dog and sue you if you don't show and finish, Also they will tell you who you can breed or not breed to and most will co own the dog and retain all papers until the dog is finisheed. Lot's to think about.

The reason behind the stringent contract is so many show newbies have talked the talked and not walked the walk. All they wanted was a dog with a good pedigree to breed, to sell puppies. That's how many of wonderful pedigrees have ended up in BYB pedigrees. So, because of what has happened in the past the newcomers are now jumping through hoops.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

The reason behind the stringent contract is so many show newbies have talked the talked and not walked the walk. All they wanted was a dog with a good pedigree to breed, to sell puppies. That's how many of wonderful pedigrees have ended up in BYB pedigrees. So, because of what has happened in the past the newcomers are now jumping through hoops.

Kind of the point I was trying to get to. I've never met any show breeder who will just hand over a show potential pup, full registration, so it can be bred and nothing else.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Kind of the point I was trying to get to. I've never met any show breeder who will just hand over a show potential pup, full registration, so it can be bred and nothing else.

You are so right, and I've never met a show reputable breeder hand over a show dog to show just to anyone....you have to prove yourself.