Champion Grandsired Male Yorkie for sale

[chechinmipo]

Originally Posted by diva pup

What kind of replies???? Have you actually called a show exhibitor in your area and asked to be mentored?? Are you going by what you have asked on here or has someone you contacted actually said to you that they would not help you learn?

Speaking only from personal experience I have found show exhibitors MORE than happy to share information and mentor a serious person.
But if they see this that has been written here it wouldn't surprise me one bit if I found they were less than willing to help from now on.

Well I do speak form persanl experience. I do find that begging show people are willing to share more info with me as they to by coincidence have gone through the same turn off as I. As far as them not wanting to help after what has been posted here it doesn't scare me in the least bit I have learn more on my own than i thought I would ever be able to. If speaking and writting what I feel disqualifies me than I wasn't mean to be qualified to begin with. Regarless of what I post there are still those same few will to offer help regardless. SO who have you been so openly been help by and taken under wing by?

[chechinmipo]

Originally Posted by feminvstr

I dont understand your post at all...feel inferior? because of posting a YTCA list in Alabama?

its publicly posted http://www.ytca.org/breeder3.html just choose a state!

I felt the same way. I guess she thinks you feel inferior for some reason and chances are she doesn't even know what you are about.

[diva pup]

No, I personally do not know anyone in Alabama. Someone already posted all the YTCA names in Alabama. I would think you would have a few to choose from.

[dovercastle]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I am quite sure she had paid her dues before getting where she is now. As I would expect to.

You can be sure that I am not one of those that places my dog with full reg to the well known , I dont want to place a dog with full reg period ! I have no desire to do that and I have too much on my plate to worry about the future of that dog ... I would much prefer to place my pets as loved pets. Where does this leave the others who want to get into the breed, hey do your homework , sweat the tiniest little details , go to every show , dedicate to the breed, before ever owning one- earn it ! I did , and still do , and hope I continue to .... if you wanted to be something other than the label BYB - stop , learn listen make changes , and stick to the importance of this breed, educate and learn all at the same time, and stop thinking as a pet person with the thought of sales foremost and the thought of genetics exhibition and health secondary . Does the average BYB think of all of those issues before placing that 3000 price tag on that 1.5 pound dog ?? Or do they think of all the places they can advertise that 1.5 pound dog for the most profit ? and where can they get the next 3 pound bitch to breed so they can make them small and cute and worthy ? I am 7 years in yorkies - and made mistakes , and made plenty of changes - 7 years ! talk to me once you invest that time and effort - before that I was 10 years in animals and showing and veterinary meds - I think I can hold my own

[chechinmipo]

Originally Posted by Starshineyorkie

Do you know of any in AL? I could use a hook-up.

I would sure love to see Diva Pup share those who help with you to back up her reply since it seems she knows many? Also it is very evident you are eagered to learn and could use help?

[yorkykisses]

Originally Posted by dovercastle

Okay this one I have to reply to ........ I am sure glad you are one of the " Lucky Ones " !! As I am sure there are others that are not so LUCKY ! In particular there is a nice couple in Canada that recently bought a male from Prestigious , was this male SHOW as promised ? NO it is a 2.2 pound dog with a terrible roach and a nasty temparment to boot! He can not be used for breeding or for show in Canada , he is too small he is not going to meet the standard , he is so off in personality he most likely will not even show- so what should Prestigious do with this male they advertise on here for sale ?? Send him to CANDA and make right one situation before jumping into another - good money was sent LONG in advance of this dog ever being deemed as " Show Quality " as if you could determin show quality at 6 weeks of age ?? - the dog has no reg papers, and no identification ... it goes on - so what would I say - send this male to CAnada and clear this mess up

As for advertising on this forum , it is simple - when you want to place a dog quick and without much care , place it on here - someone unknowingly will grab the dog and the money is sent , easy !

As for bashing the YTCA - and the Reputiable breeders that drip blood for these dogs when needed, there is nothing you can say , they do what is best for the dog - Bottom Line - nothing else matters, and this my listeners is a trait we should all adopt !!! There is a differance between prodoucing to market and prodoucing to imporve the breed, show the results to many many thousands of dollars , and pet the rest with strick contracts- the ethical hobbiest who places their lives into this , does not seek money - NEWS FLASH - at the end of the day there is no surplus there is a deficit, and the love still goes on , and the shows go forward and the breed thrives with imporvement - this is what it is all about - its not about bashing , money , quick sales to whoever will take the first bite, its about dedication and sacrifice . The YTCA is a group of dedicated people whos goal is to protect the breed , and the members should follow and the majority do !

I am sorry this has happened to your friends! YES Prestigeous Yorkies should take the male they are advertising here and place with your friends in Canada. Will it happen probably not.

I have a dog in my home that was imported by Prestigeous Yorkies. She was sold for double what they paid for her, her quality is awful and the story goes on and on! Not only that but the show breeders of her was promised back a pick of the litter puppy which they will never receive. She was also advertised in full coat and was shipped with her coat shaved off to the skin.

SO NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE DEALING WITH MAKE SURE YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND YOU CHECK THEM OUT!

[chechinmipo]

Your points are very valid. So of us are already educating ourselves and trying our best to do what correct for this breed. About talking to you when I have invested the time. I think I already am. Well I ever catch up to you? No? You have 17 ahead of me.

Originally Posted by dovercastle

You can be sure that I am not one of those that places my dog with full reg to the well known , I dont want to place a dog with full reg period ! I have no desire to do that and I have too much on my plate to worry about the future of that dog ... I would much prefer to place my pets as loved pets. Where does this leave the others who want to get into the breed, hey do your homework , sweat the tiniest little details , go to every show , dedicate to the breed, before ever owning one- earn it ! I did , and still do , and hope I continue to .... if you wanted to be something other than the label BYB - stop , learn listen make changes , and stick to the importance of this breed, educate and learn all at the same time, and stop thinking as a pet person with the thought of sales foremost and the thought of genetics exhibition and health secondary . Does the average BYB think of all of those issues before placing that 3000 price tag on that 1.5 pound dog ?? Or do they think of all the places they can advertise that 1.5 pound dog for the most profit ? and where can they get the next 3 pound bitch to breed so they can make them small and cute and worthy ? I am 7 years in yorkies - and made mistakes , and made plenty of changes - 7 years ! talk to me once you invest that time and effort - before that I was 10 years in animals and showing and veterinary meds - I think I can hold my own

[chechinmipo]

Originally Posted by yorkykisses

I am sorry this has happened to your friends! YES Prestigeous Yorkies should take the male they are advertising here and place with your friends in Canada. Will it happen probably not.

I have a dog in my home that was imported by Prestigeous Yorkies. She was sold for double what they paid for her, her quality is awful and the story goes on and on! Not only that but the show breeders of her was promised back a pick of the litter puppy which they will never receive. She was also advertised in full coat and was shipped with her coat shaved off to the skin.

SO NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE DEALING WITH MAKE SURE YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND YOU CHECK THEM OUT!

I thorugh some flowers earlier on Prestigous in this thread but it is obvious they have done some very unethical things. How would any of us ever know if you all didn't share the information. After being aware of these kind of things it steers us in the right direction and away from those we mistaking believe to be correct.

[dovercastle]

Originally Posted by yorkykisses

I am not on any particular side of this argument. I also am not sticking up for Prestigeous Yorkies either. But I will add I do not believe that Deana and Leo are lining their pockets with tons of cash from dog sales. They do have a handler show their yorkies and David is NOT CHEAP! Does that make it right for them to misrepresent a dog to get it sold? NO!

when was the last dog shown ?

As for lining their pockets , well I can tall you they have lined their pockets with these peoples cash at the early age of 4 weeks old , and that was when the puppy was determined to be show - HMMM other than that there is a dog out there that is 2.2 pounds , shakes all the time, does not meet the standard for showing let alone breeding, was sold whole for HSOW no less, and is not registered! So send this 5 pound male to Canada ! I am sure those that worry night and day about the dog and the health issues and the registration would sure appreciate closure - and seeing as there is this wonderful male NOW AVAILABLE - this would be the correct thing to do -'
What does it say in the signature line of Presigious ?? " It is not the unpredictablity that can occur in breeding that ruins a breeder but how we deal with it " PLEASE DEAL WITH IT THEN

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by chechinmipo

I would sure love to see Diva Pup share those who help with you to back up her reply since it seems she knows many? Also it is very evident you are eagered to learn and could use help?

I do not feel any need to "back up" my reply. You can take it or leave it it makes no difference to me. But I will say that I took the time to get to know the show exhibitors that I do know. I find that to be the best way. Do I expect that if I call and say I want to breed yorkies that they are going to open their doors? Of course not! BUT if I call and say I am interested in showing yorkies I think the door will open. As I am willing to learn.
I believe you are very young and so you have alot to learn about life still. Good luck to you in your endeavors.

[chechinmipo]

Originally Posted by diva pup

I do not feel any need to "back up" my reply. You can take it or leave it it makes no difference to me. But I will say that I took the time to get to know the show exhibitors that I do know. I find that to be the best way. Do I expect that if I call and say I want to breed yorkies that they are going to open their doors? Of course not! BUT if I call and say I am interested in showing yorkies I think the door will open. As I am willing to learn.
I believe you are very young and so you have alot to learn about life still. Good luck to you in your endeavors.

I don't think anyone with common sense would approach in such way. That would be very un tactful.

[PrestigeousYT]

You need to include the whole story the person that got this dog altered the vets record claiming this was a sick dog when they got it.
Yes indeed, I got the real records directly from the her vet in Oklahoma when I called them and told them that the ones she sent were not legible and our lawyer believed they were altered as did we and we were correct.
so always make sure you get your records directly from the vet on one of your pups because people are altering vet records to claim a breeder sent a sick dog!!!
As for a contract with the original breeder there was no contract on the dog we bought don't know what you are talking about that is simply a lie!
So wrong and yes our lawyer has all the records on file so for you to keep this going is just ridiculous. I still have a copy of everything also.

Originally Posted by yorkykisses

I am sorry this has happened to your friends! YES Prestigeous Yorkies should take the male they are advertising here and place with your friends in Canada. Will it happen probably not.

I have a dog in my home that was imported by Prestigeous Yorkies. She was sold for double what they paid for her, her quality is awful and the story goes on and on! Not only that but the show breeders of her was promised back a pick of the litter puppy which they will never receive. She was also advertised in full coat and was shipped with her coat shaved off to the skin.

SO NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE DEALING WITH MAKE SURE YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND YOU CHECK THEM OUT!

[yorkykisses]

Originally Posted by dovercastle

You can be sure that I am not one of those that places my dog with full reg to the well known , I dont want to place a dog with full reg period ! I have no desire to do that and I have too much on my plate to worry about the future of that dog ... I would much prefer to place my pets as loved pets. Where does this leave the others who want to get into the breed, hey do your homework , sweat the tiniest little details , go to every show , dedicate to the breed, before ever owning one- earn it ! I did , and still do , and hope I continue to .... if you wanted to be something other than the label BYB - stop , learn listen make changes , and stick to the importance of this breed, educate and learn all at the same time, and stop thinking as a pet person with the thought of sales foremost and the thought of genetics exhibition and health secondary . Does the average BYB think of all of those issues before placing that 3000 price tag on that 1.5 pound dog ?? Or do they think of all the places they can advertise that 1.5 pound dog for the most profit ? and where can they get the next 3 pound bitch to breed so they can make them small and cute and worthy ? I am 7 years in yorkies - and made mistakes , and made plenty of changes - 7 years ! talk to me once you invest that time and effort - before that I was 10 years in animals and showing and veterinary meds - I think I can hold my own

I truly do not understand why it is so hard for people to tell the truth. I do agree with most of what you have stated. But YES you have placed a dog on FULL REGISTRATION with a hobby breeder in Ohio. The dog's name is CANDY. Does that ring a bell?

Like I stated I am not on either side. But if you are going to state something it should be honest and not made to make you look more reputable.

[YorkieRose]

I can not recall saying I defend the BYB...but I certainly defend the serious hobby breeder who does not show. (why, because where I lived in the UK, a reputable, ethcial breeder was respected whether they showed or not) ..infact that is how I started..breeding and not showing.

Morris Howard, (Trivar) who was Johnny's companion (Johnny was the Prez of YTCA for many years, (whatever happened in the Yorkie world Morris and Johnny were the kings and few opposed them) Morris did not like me because I took no crap from him. He could be very mean and nasty to nice people who showed an interest in Yorkie...but that was Morris's problem..I have a difficult time with mean spirited people and Morris was one.

Odd thing was...he never interferred with Johnny and myself when it came to selling me potential beeding stock and stud service. Johnny was the oppoiste to Morris...he helped the novice.
Later in Morris's life I did see a softer side...he actually started talking to me at handling classes and never stopped my membership to his regional club, YTCNC...
After Morris's death, Johnny filled out a sponsor application for me to join YTCA...that meant the world to me, but I told Johnny.."I am ethcial whether I showed or not..now that I show, it does not suddenly change who I am and have always been..and I declined his invite"..and that is the truth as to how it happened..
I have been thrown off forums for defending the serious, non-showing fancier...but that has nothing to so with YTCA.

[dovercastle]

Originally Posted by PrestigeousYT

You need to include the whole story the person that got this dog altered the vets record claiming this was a sick dog when they got it.
Yes indeed, I got the real records directly from the her vet in Oklahoma when I called them and told them that the ones she sent were not legible and our lawyer believed they were altered as did we and we were correct.
so always make sure you get your records directly from the vet on one of your pups because people are altering vet records to claim a breeder sent a sick dog!!!
As for a contract with the original breeder there was no contract on the dog we bought don't know what you are talking about that is simply a lie!
So wrong and yes our lawyer has all the records on file so for you to keep this going is just ridiculous. I still have a copy of everything also.

Please reply about the Canadian situation