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[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

The fact lies that parvo is easily present in the enviroment. The removal of the feces does not remove the virus.

The problem lies with OVER vaccinating not the initial round.

The article I linked is from a reknown homepathic vet who has written many articles on the subject. Even she advises the initial round of vaccinations.

For a breeder to advise a puppy buyer not to have these completed is irresponsible, IMO, and not to mention...they now possess a huge legal liability.

I've seen a puppy die from parvo....it's a horrible death.

I agree 100%

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by jrwatt

You are certainly doing something right. IMHO vaccinating is not one of them. The diets and geneological factors were probably predisposed stronger than other dogs. However, cancer is the most common vaccine reaction, it occurs YEARS after the fact, NOT within a few minutes to hours. Neurological damage can occur between weeks and months. Diseases CAUSE problems, end of story. Yes, there is a CHANCE of contracting the disease outside of vaccinating. However it is FAR more likely than the dog is damaged from the disease in the vaccine than contracting it naturally.

On the other side, our holistically raised dogs (min. vaccines to NO vaccines and dogs RECOVERING from vaccines) unless they are experiencing INHERITED vaccinosis (vaccine damage inherited from their parents) do not exhibit ANY signs of neurological damage. They have an eery human-like intelligence, excellent obedience, gorgeous conformation, never have worms, fleas or ticks, their feces disintegrate within two days because there are no undigested carbohydrates in their diet. They are in simply terms at the PEAK of health and wellness. WE DO NOT HAVE HEALTH PROBLEMS. Our biggest fear is that someone will STEAL one of our dogs.

After seeing the extensive physical and psychological damage in pets that so many people claim is NORMAL I can say in all honesty that they are several ants short of a picnic comparitively. I believe there have been failures and successes when people "try to do it holistically" just like there are failures and successes when people "try to diet" and do it haphazardly. When there has been a complete change in the vetrinary practices, diet and chemical environment that we raise our animals and children in, there is a massive positive change for the better.


Jen, your puppy is housebroken at 11 weeks old. She is a delight to be around, sits on command, never whines or cries, gets along well with everyone. Thank you again. Your dogs are clearly a cut above the rest.

Sorry, but, I beg to differ with you. As I said, my dogs all had healthy long lives, and I know it wasn't from the food we were feeding them(all of them were on pedigree, purina, etc). I never over vaccinated, but, I believe they do need their initial shots, I'm NOT going to take a chance of a puppy getting parvo or any other ilnesses that are common for pups to get. As I said before, there are a lot of people that herbal remedies do NOT work for, me being one.

[YoRkiE Te aMo]

i find it very interesting on this site that when ever people have different points of view in reguards to the care of their little ones...
it always becomes confrontational
i have seen this on many threads before on YT...

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by YoRkiE Te aMo

i find it very interesting on this site that when ever people have different points of view in reguards to the care of their little ones...
it always becomes confrontational
i have seen this on many threads before on YT...

The paragraphs being quoted here have been taken out of context from the original study. A detailed explaination of the study and findings are found here... haywardstudyonvaccines

The study was specific to OVER vaccinating...not the intial vaccinations. I would hate for a novice pet owner to read this thread and assume herbal remedies are an effective preventative against these two diseases. They are not and that opinion is concurred by homopathic experts in the field.

Furthermore if the dam was never vaccinated...there are no antibodies to pass on to her puppies.

[jrwatt]

I recommend the book NATURAL IMMUNITY to anyone who is conflicted on the vaccine vs. non-vaccinating controversy. It provides alot of good materials based on objective research specifically related to INITIAL vaccinations AND overvaccinating. If anyone is interested, message me and I can send you a copy. I'm afraid there just isn't enough easily accessible research on the web on this topic.

Viera Scheibner, PhD, states, "I did not find it difficult to conclude that there is no evidence whatsoever that vaccines of any kind are effective in preventing the infectious diseases they are supposed to prevent. Further, adverse effects are amply documented and are far more significant to public health than any adverse effects of infectious diseases.

[During her employment 1968 to 1987 with the Geological Survey of New South Wales, she [Viera Scheibner] held various titles as a research scientist, including principal research scientist until her retirement from the Department of Mineral Resources in 1987.]

Richard H Pitcairn, DVM, PhD (Immunology), warns, "If I
may venture to make a prediction, it is that fifty to one hundred
years from now, people will look back at the practice of
introducing disease into people and animals for the purpose of
preventing these same diseases as foolishness ... a foolishness
similar to that of the practice of blood letting and the use of toxic

doses of mercury in the treatment of disease."
[Ph.D. in veterinary microbiology and immunology from Washington State University. Thesis research on cellular foreign histocompatibility antigen recognition. While at WSU, was an assistant professor on the veterinary school faculty; taught public health and epizootiology to 4th year veterinary students; participated in research projects using tissue culture, virus isolation and assay, and electron microscopy.]

Also a good book worth reading:

Dr Pitcairn's

Complete Guide to Natural Health For Dogs & Cats

"Measles is an especially interesting disease to
look at because of its close similarity to canine

distemper.

A study by the World Health
Organization concludes that chances are 14 times
greater that measles will be contracted by those
vaccinated against the disease than by those who

have not been vaccinated."

I also recommend Eustace Mullins' book Murder By Injection and

Dr John Fudens' book, Handbook to Holistic Care.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I googled this and found NOTHING that even suggests this. Can you tell me where your research came from and possible links for us to read? Elaine

i will try to find more info...
here is a better link with sites at the bottom included

Science of Vaccine Damage

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Jen, I'm hoping you can provide some insight on the details of the registration. As registering Biewers is still a tricky business here in the US and it differs from registry to registry...I'm not familiar with how CKC goes about handling it, but am curious.

I'm taking it the pups are registered w/ CKC as Yorkshire Terriers? How was your male registered with CKC--also as a Yorkshire Terrier? (I see that mom was AKC and dad was IBC, so I'm just wondering how their registration with CKC compared to their reg w/ the other KCs and how the pups would have to be registered.)


Thanks!

the mom is akc and ckc registered.. the dad is ibc and ckc reg ... they are reg as yorkies...biewers are also yorkies...but, mine are just extra special.
thanks for asking though...are you interested in adopting one? or just
interested in investigating the matter? just wondering...

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

The paragraphs being quoted here have been taken out of context from the original study. A detailed explaination of the study and findings are found here... haywardstudyonvaccines

The study was specific to OVER vaccinating...not the intial vaccinations. I would hate for a novice pet owner to read this thread and assume herbal remedies are an effective preventative against these two diseases. They are not and that opinion is concurred by homopathic experts in the field.

Furthermore if the dam was never vaccinated...there are no antibodies to pass on to her puppies.

actually the link you provided was helpful in giving the complete story.. the
studies were not funded by any vaccine companies or veterinarians, but by a group of dog lovers.. they are seeking further funding to continue the studies.. since the vaccine companies dont think it is necessary, and they do not test or study the effects of vaccines.. it is all private funding...it is all about the money...imagine the liabilities they would have to pay...
vaccinations keep the vets in business...

[YoRkiE Te aMo]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i will try to find more info...
here is a better link with sites at the bottom included

Science of Vaccine Damage

Thank U for that link this was very informative and had many more links to read on other information also eg. the heartworm meds
i enjoy to know as much as i can and make my own decisions ...

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

thanks for asking though...are you interested in adopting one? or just
interested in investigating the matter? just wondering...

Unfortunately I am at my limit for dogs right now, otherwise I'd have a whole lot more. I own a Biewer and have followed and *tried* to keep up with what was required by registries here US as they have begun to recognize them too...your's is just the first case I've run across where someone registered one w/ CKC is all, so I was curious.
Did CKC accept/use his IBC registration, or his BYA registration, when you registered him, or did you have to use another method? I know they will use info from other registries, but didn't know if IBC was one of them since it was a foreign registry.

Thanks for your response!

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Unfortunately I am at my limit for dogs right now, otherwise I'd have a whole lot more. I own a Biewer and have followed and *tried* to keep up with what was required by registries here US as they have begun to recognize them too...your's is just the first case I've run across where someone registered one w/ CKC is all, so I was curious.
Did CKC accept/use his IBC registration, or his BYA registration, when you registered him, or did you have to use another method? I know they will use info from other registries, but didn't know if IBC was one of them since it was a foreign registry.

Thanks for your response!

sammy has no BYA registration.. only IBC and CKC.. sorry for the confusion here.. I did say BYA last year in Error.. I am not interested in joining any
Biewer clubs or breeding full bred biewers..But, the pedigree with family history is important to me.. Being able to track the history with a CKC
registration is the only option available...Sammy's mother was from germany
and is a pure biewer.. Sammy is a splitter.. I hope i clarified this matter for you..

[BamaFan121s]

I completely understand your interested in tracking the pedigree. So did CKC recognize IBC registration now, assuming that was what you used?

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

I completely understand your interested in tracking the pedigree. So did CKC recognize IBC registration now, assuming that was what you used?

OK...making me check my records...i apologize for not knowing all the
important registry info.... i am wrong again....it is bya.. not ibc..

sorry for the confusion..i keep confusing these clubs and registries...
sammy is BYA....CKC accepted...i will try to keep it straight since i know
registry is important to most people... i need to stop posting from memory...
please forgive me....

[BamaFan121s]

LOL...don't worry about it. Now you are just as confused as I normally am on a good day! I was just curious as to if CKC would use IBC registry now was all, but I know they don't accept BYA, so that answers that. So much for not wanting to be affiliated with any Biewer clubs, eh? (Although I can certainly understand that.)

The BYA thing did throw me off a bit though because I saw that the listings for your pups on puppyfind had him listed as such.
Puppies for Sale by Jenny Eagles Nest

Of course, half of them are listed as Yorkies, half of them listed as Biewers and one listed as a mixed breed...and it states that all of them have had vet exam and current vaccinations...which certainly contradicts this thread. So it's not hard to understand the reason behind the confusion.

In any event, sorry I hijacked your thread...I guess I should have just PMed you. I'll let you get back to finding them the perfect new homes. They are precious so I'm sure you'll have no problem doing that.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

LOL...don't worry about it. Now you are just as confused as I normally am on a good day! I was just curious as to if CKC would use IBC registry now was all, but I know they don't accept BYA, so that answers that. So much for not wanting to be affiliated with any Biewer clubs, eh? (Although I can certainly understand that.)

The BYA thing did throw me off a bit though because I saw that the listings for your pups on puppyfind had him listed as such.
Puppies for Sale by Jenny Eagles Nest

Of course, half of them are listed as Yorkies, half of them listed as Biewers and one listed as a mixed breed...and it states that all of them have had vet exam and current vaccinations...which certainly contradicts this thread. So it's not hard to understand the reason behind the confusion.

In any event, sorry I hijacked your thread...I guess I should have just PMed you. I'll let you get back to finding them the perfect new homes. They are precious so I'm sure you'll have no problem doing that.

the link you provided was a listing which was cancelled weeks ago..due to changes..and someone trying to hack my puppyfind account...
is it still active? according to puppyfind, i do not have any other listings (old ones) at this time... so let me know if you found this today or have been saving it in your detective files....lol..
OK.. when i first listed these puppies, i intended to vaccinate.. however, in the process, i became informed of the vaccine problems and have decided to
change my protocol.. going holistic with my pack.. so, i guess these puppies will be different.. but, the parents do have pedigrees.. so, i have parental history and lineage...
i do have a new listing on puppyfind with correct info.. i had the previous listings under 3 categories.. small mixed breeds, yorkies, and biewers to try to get responses... my litter last year sold in 2 weeks, but, this time,
it appears that puppies are not in demand, thanks to the economy...
i have found homes for them for people who want a free puppy...
but, if someone can only afford a free puppy, then they probably cant afford to feed them either..
but, i am still trying to find new homes that will raise them holistically...
i am looking for owners who will invest time and the money for good food,
holistic vet care, and all the necessities and extras my babies deserve..
a fenced yard, a doggy door, another small dog in the home, etc.....
both puppies going together would be my wish...they are a perfect pair...
i would love to find this perfect home, and offer them for $600...for the pair..
Harlie and Mater are waiting patiently...