puupies available for adoption in ohio

[jrwatt]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

I've had dogs all my life. They were given their puppy shots and their yearly rabi vaccine. Every dog my entire family has had(this is 3 siblings and parents) have all lived from 14-19 years...

You are certainly doing something right. IMHO vaccinating is not one of them. The diets and geneological factors were probably predisposed stronger than other dogs. However, cancer is the most common vaccine reaction, it occurs YEARS after the fact, NOT within a few minutes to hours. Neurological damage can occur between weeks and months. Diseases CAUSE problems, end of story. Yes, there is a CHANCE of contracting the disease outside of vaccinating. However it is FAR more likely than the dog is damaged from the disease in the vaccine than contracting it naturally.

On the other side, our holistically raised dogs (min. vaccines to NO vaccines and dogs RECOVERING from vaccines) unless they are experiencing INHERITED vaccinosis (vaccine damage inherited from their parents) do not exhibit ANY signs of neurological damage. They have an eery human-like intelligence, excellent obedience, gorgeous conformation, never have worms, fleas or ticks, their feces disintegrate within two days because there are no undigested carbohydrates in their diet. They are in simply terms at the PEAK of health and wellness. WE DO NOT HAVE HEALTH PROBLEMS. Our biggest fear is that someone will STEAL one of our dogs.

After seeing the extensive physical and psychological damage in pets that so many people claim is NORMAL I can say in all honesty that they are several ants short of a picnic comparitively. I believe there have been failures and successes when people "try to do it holistically" just like there are failures and successes when people "try to diet" and do it haphazardly. When there has been a complete change in the vetrinary practices, diet and chemical environment that we raise our animals and children in, there is a massive positive change for the better.


Jen, your puppy is housebroken at 11 weeks old. She is a delight to be around, sits on command, never whines or cries, gets along well with everyone. Thank you again. Your dogs are clearly a cut above the rest.

[bchgirl]

In essence puppymill puppies should be the epitome of health...

[jrwatt]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

In essence puppymill puppies should be the epitome of health...

Why would squalid conditions, confinement, corn based dog food, inbreeding and lack of holistic care be the epitome of health? I'm afraid I don't understand your reasoning or find it consistant.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by jrwatt

On the other side, our holistically raised dogs (min. vaccines to NO vaccines and dogs RECOVERING from vaccines) unless they are experiencing INHERITED vaccinosis (vaccine damage inherited from their parents) do not exhibit ANY signs of neurological damage. They have an eery human-like intelligence, excellent obedience, gorgeous conformation, never have worms, fleas or ticks, their feces disintegrate within two days because there are no undigested carbohydrates in their diet. They are in simply terms at the PEAK of health and wellness. WE DO NOT HAVE HEALTH PROBLEMS. Our biggest fear is that someone will STEAL one of our dogs.

After seeing the extensive physical and psychological damage in pets that so many people claim is NORMAL I can say in all honesty that they are several ants short of a picnic comparitively. I believe there have been failures and successes when people "try to do it holistically" just like there are failures and successes when people "try to diet" and do it haphazardly. When there has been a complete change in the vetrinary practices, diet and chemical environment that we raise our animals and children in, there is a massive positive change for the better.

I find this thread very interesting. I have been telling people for years about the dangers of over vaccination but many people just don't get it. I just makes me sick when it see over and over again that breeders and vets are vaccinating puppies at 5 and 6 weeks old. For my puppies I only give distemper and parvo when they are at least 10 weeks old. Parvo is a serious problem here in Texas so I would not feel comfortable by not giving any vaccinations at all.

I am also a firm believer in Holistic health but just as with traditional medicine, it can be trial and error for some folks. What works for one person might not work for another. I just feel that with the holistic herbal and homeopathic formulas you do not have all the side effects that are associated with prescription drugs.

My question is can you explain or give examples of 'extensive physical and psychological damage in pets' caused by vaccination? I know that rabies vaccinations have been linked to increased aggression in dogs and withdrawal.

My other questions is that I have read about nosodes and other things that can be giving right after vaccinations to offset the damage or side effects. Do you have any input or knowledge about those and their effectiveness? I know my vet sells a nosodes formula for kennel cough prevention, do you find this effective?

[bchgirl]

Barbara....there are many links found on google regarding the in-effectivness of nosodes. The agrument for giving them any way...they do not cause any harm. They do nothing to prevent the disease.

OVER vaccinating is the problem...

http://www.holisticvets.co.nz/pdf/HV...0vaccinate.pdf

[jrwatt]

Originally Posted by bjh

My question is can you explain or give examples of 'extensive physical and psychological damage in pets' caused by vaccination? I know that rabies vaccinations have been linked to increased aggression in dogs and withdrawal.

Sure - here are some examples of common vaccine reactions in ADDITION TO the general problems of immune system suppression [VACCINOSIS] that ALL vaccines can cause [i.e. Purdue Studies, autoimmune fascial disorder] (evidenced in skin irritations, thriving fleas, thriving worms, chronic recurring infections of the gastro-intestinal track, chewing at paws, hot spots, connective tissue failure causing weakened ligaments in joints, IBS, inability to heal, cancer, lupus, etc.) and neurological conditions that the bacteria, germs and heavy metals added to the vaccines to produce a GREATER immuno-response (in order to stimulate the production of disease fighting cells) causing touch aversion, fear disorders, anxiety, agression, retardation, inability to housebreak, lacking normal boundaries, excessive face licking, running away, etc.

Parvo vaccines can cause (in addition to the above) recurrent chronic diarrhea, watery/mucusy feces, loss of weight, lack of appetite.
Distemper vaccines can cause (in addition to the above) epilepsy, malaise, weight loss, paralysis, seizures, spondylitis etc.
Kennel Cough vaccines can cause (in addition to the above), pneumonia, chronic bronchitus, irritated respiratory tract, ematiation.

A british study by Canine Health Concern analyzed 3,800 dogs. They discovered:
"Overall, we found that 66% per cent of all sick dogs start being sick within three months of vaccination, which is considerably more than double the expected rate of illness. Worse, 49% of all illnesses reported in the survey occurred within 30 days of vaccination."

The Purdue Studies Intended to Discover and Succeeded at Finding that:

" Not only are annual boosters unnecessary, but they subject the pet to potential risks such as allergic reactions and immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia."

In my personal experience I have lost an airedale to rabies vaccine, lost a yorkie to distemper vaccine and lost a beagle to parvo.

Originally Posted by bjh

My other questions is that I have read about nosodes and other things that can be giving right after vaccinations to offset the damage or side effects. Do you have any input or knowledge about those and their effectiveness? I know my vet sells a nosodes formula for kennel cough prevention, do you find this effective?

I'm afraid I do not have experience with nosodes. I choose not to use them as recommended by my homeopathic vet. As with other homeopathic methods the best source of info is your vet. I would research on the side. I do know however that every time your dog is near another with recent vaccinations that dog is producing viral shed. Your dog's immune system then absorbs the disease, producing its antibodies and NATURAL IMMUNITY enough to register on a titer's test. Vaccines ARE the disease so a recently vaccinated dog will shed that disease into its environment. Our dogs are exposed to diseases EVERYWHERE and they are CONSTANTLY building natural immunity like we do. It is only an IMMUNO suppressed animal that succumbs to disease because it does not have the energy to produce enough fighting antigens. I have had parvo in my house from a rescue pup in the last two years FROM a vaccine and it has not affected my healthy dogs. They have natural immunity. I hope this answers some questions, I know I have a burning desire to learn everything I can about the science behind disease. I have had to come to terms with the fact that over the years I have unwittingly killed several of my best furry friends with the kind of love that allopathic vets administer. My research, application and distribution of these unorthodox findings are done with the concern and tenderness of an owner who has loved and lost just like every member here.

Johanna CMT
Home

[YoRkiE Te aMo]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

In essence puppymill puppies should be the epitome of health...

isn't that comment on the extreme side..
that is more of a question of neglect rather than care for our little ones...
we are talking here about alternatives to be considered for the well being of our little ones..
it is more of the pros and cons of the traditional vet protocol to alternative vet...
it is us that are the keepers of our little ones and must choose the best for them ...as they are not able to do so...

but i do know..
most dogs will run to a peice of chicken breast before they will run over to eat the kibble in the bag

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by cesar49

I am new to this holistic care.. but, the research is clearly pointing to
the cause of parvo being the vaccinating...

I googled this and found NOTHING that even suggests this. Can you tell me where your research came from and possible links for us to read? Elaine

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by YoRkiE Te aMo

isn't that comment on the extreme side..
that is more of a question of neglect rather than care for our little ones...
we are talking here about alternatives to be considered for the well being of our little ones..
it is more of the pros and cons of the traditional vet protocol to alternative vet...
it is us that are the keepers of our little ones and must choose the best for them ...as they are not able to do so...

but i do know..
most dogs will run to a peice of chicken breast before they will run over to eat the kibble in the bag

The fact lies that parvo is easily present in the enviroment. The removal of the feces does not remove the virus.

The problem lies with OVER vaccinating not the initial round.

The article I linked is from a reknown homepathic vet who has written many articles on the subject. Even she advises the initial round of vaccinations.

For a breeder to advise a puppy buyer not to have these completed is irresponsible, IMO, and not to mention...they now possess a huge legal liability.

I've seen a puppy die from parvo....it's a horrible death.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I googled this and found NOTHING that even suggests this. Can you tell me where your research came from and possible links for us to read?

I would be interested to see the source to support this claim as well.

[YoRkiE Te aMo]

well there were reactions from all the shots ..we always seperated them rabies from the others and never failed he was sick for the day and be off for one or 2 more. Rabies was the worst though..we had a yorkie prior for 16 years that had it too..not the first few years but later (i think it was possibly the change in the vaccines they used, as that was over 20 years ago and not all those vaccines were given then)...

not sure why i would stay at the vet ..as the option they offered me time and time again was to give another shot to counteract the symptoms of the vaccine...there were many other issues the vets had created on my healthy little one..
anyway to make a long story short Oliver is a Very Healthy Little Fellow at 11 years and has personality and spunk with the energy of a puppy.
i can honestly say that is not due to any vet intervention..
but from the research i have done to get him healthy ...

knowledge is the key to open the doors of good health for all of us..

Originally Posted by bchgirl

What vaccine caused that reaction in your baby? Some have reactions to rabies injections....it usually occurs within 30 minutes of the injection. Personally I don't leave the vet's office without waiting. If your pet has a reaction....the solution there is your vet gives you a waiver. Rabies is a lot easier to avoid than parvo or distemper.

Sorry I think it's irresponsible for a breeder not to provide preventation against those two diseases. Should there be an outbreak...it's likely the breeder won't have ANY dogs to breed. There isn't any cure.

I'd advise vaccinating initially and then opting for titer testing when boosters are suggested.

I'm fortunate none of mine ever reacted like what you described above.

[YoRkiE Te aMo]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

The fact lies that parvo is easily present in the enviroment. The removal of the feces does not remove the virus.

The problem lies with OVER vaccinating not the initial round.

The article I linked is from a reknown homepathic vet who has written many articles on the subject. Even she advises the initial round of vaccinations.

For a breeder to advise a puppy buyer not to have these completed is irresponsible, IMO, and not to mention...they now possess a huge legal liability.

I've seen a puppy die from parvo....it's a horrible death.

not sure of ur response there... my response was on the puppymill comment ?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

part biewer puppies
5. Yorkie(s) For Sale: CKC yorkies 3 boys

14. Any additional information you want to add: dam is akc YT AND
sire is a biewer splitter IBC.. puppies will be 4-7 lbs full grown.

Jen, I'm hoping you can provide some insight on the details of the registration. As registering Biewers is still a tricky business here in the US and it differs from registry to registry...I'm not familiar with how CKC goes about handling it, but am curious.

I'm taking it the pups are registered w/ CKC as Yorkshire Terriers? How was your male registered with CKC--also as a Yorkshire Terrier? (I see that mom was AKC and dad was IBC, so I'm just wondering how their registration with CKC compared to their reg w/ the other KCs and how the pups would have to be registered.)


Thanks!

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by YoRkiE Te aMo

not sure of ur response there... my response was on the puppymill comment ?

Mills could easily say it's for the health of the animal.

I would be interested in reading a contract with a health guarantee that specified not having the animal vaccinated is advised.

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Jen, I'm hoping you can provide some insight on the details of the registration. As registering Biewers is still a tricky business here in the US and it differs from registry to registry...I'm not familiar with how CKC goes about handling it, but am curious.

I'm taking it the pups are registered w/ CKC as Yorkshire Terriers? How was your male registered with CKC--also as a Yorkshire Terrier? (I see that mom was AKC and dad was IBC, so I'm just wondering how their registration with CKC compared to their reg w/ the other KCs and how the pups would have to be registered.)


Thanks!

Her post #45 here... http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-months-3.html actually details the sire's background.