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[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by cesar49

New F-Strain Parvo Virus:
Unlike the other strains of parvo (this appears to be the 7th mutation of the PARVO virus), this one may possibly be airborne. Apparently this has been brought to this country (USA) from Europe.






POSSIBLY AIRBORN..... so, what is the true story?

This also was copied and pasted off a random website...on which all information listed is AT LEAST 2 years old. And at the bottom of the page it states: "Disclaimer: Information on this web site in no way is to be considered a substitute for expert veterinary consultation."

I would hope that since you have decided against vaccinations for your dogs and have argued your point on the subject as to WHY, that you would be aware of "the true story" instead of posting up randomly searched sites as quick as you can locate them, without reading them first, for EVERYONE to read.

Do you realize how serious a matter this is?

[Nancy1999]

On this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...8-parvo-2.html livingdustmops states that

"People need to be aware there is a new strain of Parvo called Parvo 2 that is coming into the US via Mexico (they think). The normal shots will not cover this new strain. I am aware of this because of friend of mine took her dog to a Dallas dog park and almost lost her little girl due to this. Her dog is now into a study with Pfizer to help determine a new vaccine."

This is how vaccines are made, a dog with the illness develops antibodies, and these antibodies can be used in a vaccine. Vaccines have saved millions of lives, do research and find out why it's best not to "over vaccinate", but that is much safer than not vaccinating at all. When you research, please check your sources, if the website is selling you a product find a source that isn't.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

I have to say I personally love some holistic stuff, although with parvo I don't believe it can be cured holistically. Parvo is not something to mess with imo. It is treatable if done properly with vaccines and bleach routine cleaning.

I do use acidoplillis and other holistic things when it is an available and can properly treat symptoms.

There are a lot of people that feel this way, with using some holistic things, but, they don't work on everyone, like me for example. If you can stay healthy and use holistic things, then that's fine, but, as I said a lot of people don't have any luck with any of that natural stuff.
I'm also sure you had all of your vaccines as a child, just like all dogs should have all of their vaccines as a puppy

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

Just because a bird flys doesnt make it airborne imo. A bird has to pick it up and carry it in the air then drop some bird droppings. If the bird didn't drop the infected feces or vomit it wouldnt effect us. So it still has to be a part of the environment on the ground.

That comment was posted tongue in check.

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by cesar49

no one has all the answers here... but, if there is a chance of making my dogs sick with parvo, and the vaccine companies are not doing any studies,
then, i can only assume it is about the money...
why arent they testing? since parvo is already widespread, there is no need to vaccinate.. the virus is everywhere causing healthy dogs to develop a natural immunity to it...
the science of natural immunity goes against the science of safe vaccines..
how many pets out there have auto-immune disoders?
start asking questions when a puppy dies suddenly...
was that puppy recently vaccinated?

This is a more clear reason why or why not a vaccine is effective when given, but it does state vaccines are effective if donbe properly and at the right time. I personlly will still vacinate all my puppies against Parvo as I have always done.


MATENAL ANTIBODY: OUR BIGGEST OBSTACLE

The biggest problem in protecting a puppy against this infection ironically stems from the natural mechanism of protection that has evolved. As mentioned previously, puppies obtain their immunity from their mother’s first milk, the colostrum, on the first day of life. This special milk contains the mother’s antibodies against parvovirus and until these antibodies wane to ineffective levels, they will protect the puppy.

The problem is that they will also inactivate vaccine.

Vaccine is a solution of inactivated virus, either live and weakened (“attenuated” or “modified”) or killed. This virus is injected into the puppy. If there is still adequate maternal antibody present, this vaccine virus will be destroyed just as if it were a real infection. There will be a period of about a week when there is not enough maternal antibody to protect the puppy but too much to allow a vaccine to work. (This period is called the “window of vulnerability.”) Then after this, vaccine can be effective.

The next problem is the age at which vaccine can be effective is different for each individual puppy.

To get around this, we vaccinate puppies in a series, giving a vaccine every 2-4 weeks until age 16 weeks. By age 16 weeks, we can be certain that maternal antibodies have waned and vaccine should be able to “take.” It should be recognized that some individuals, especially those of well vaccinated mothers, must be vaccinated out to 20 weeks (unless a “high titer” vaccine is used.)

After a puppy is born, maternal antibody levels drop by half approximately every 10 days.

Puppies that were born first or were more aggressive at nursing on the first day, will get more maternal antibody than their littermates.

Mother dogs vaccinated at approximately the time of breeding will have the highest antibody levels to pass on to their puppies.

*** REMEMBER, the more maternal antibody a puppy has,
the less likely a vaccine is to work.

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

There are a lot of people that feel this way, with using some holistic things, but, they don't work on everyone, like me for example. If you can stay healthy and use holistic things, then that's fine, but, as I said a lot of people don't have any luck with any of that natural stuff.
I'm also sure you had all of your vaccines as a child, just like all dogs should have all of their vaccines as a puppy

Yes I agree with you...All puppies should be properly vaccinated!! As I stated prior I do believe in using some holistic stuff such as acidolphillis etc...but it is no means to replace proper vaccines or care. I use it in addition too, such as yogurt can help settle a puppies tummy.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by tiggerr36792

Yes I agree with you...All puppies should be properly vaccinated!! As I stated prior I do believe in using some holistic stuff such as acidolphillis etc...but it is no means to replace proper vaccines or care. I use it in addition too, such as yogurt can help settle a puppies tummy.

That kind of my point since there is no real definition of the word "holistic", people seem to think it means wholesome and healthy, but as I said, anyone can become a "holistic practitioner", it take no credentials, and if you follow the advice of someone recommending something "holistic" make sure that they have the proper medical credentials.

[phfgkl]

as yogurt can help settle a puppies tummy. wonder if that works on peoples tummies too. if so, I need to buy me some yogurt

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

That kind of my point since there is no real definition of the word "holistic", people seem to think it means wholesome and healthy, but as I said, anyone can become a "holistic practitioner", it take no credentials, and if you follow the advice of someone recommending something "holistic" make sure that they have the proper medical credentials.

Definately!! Thats why with Pavro is is nothing to be messed with and all puppies should be properly vaccinated against it until it is proven to be fact otherwise. I don't want anyone to be misinformed by that ladys holistic approach to it cause there is NO factual holistic approach to Parvo, and not properly vaccinating against it is crazy. It's like asking for your puppy to become deathly ill imo.

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

as yogurt can help settle a puppies tummy. wonder if that works on peoples tummies too. if so, I need to buy me some yogurt

Yougurt contain acidophilis. Acidophilis puts good bacteria in your upset tummy to help rid you of the bad bacteria which caused the tummy upset in the first place.

[cesar49]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

This also was copied and pasted off a random website...on which all information listed is AT LEAST 2 years old. And at the bottom of the page it states: "Disclaimer: Information on this web site in no way is to be considered a substitute for expert veterinary consultation."

I would hope that since you have decided against vaccinations for your dogs and have argued your point on the subject as to WHY, that you would be aware of "the true story" instead of posting up randomly searched sites as quick as you can locate them, without reading them first, for EVERYONE to read.

Do you realize how serious a matter this is?

i ask you to understand that this is very serious...if vaccines are causing damage, why would anyone continue? you obviously believe they are safe because you have not done any research into natural immunity or the dangers of vaccines... you are just believing the old vet... and the same old lies they believe...following the crowd... i choose to not poison my pets
any longer...

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i ask you to understand that this is very serious...if vaccines are causing damage, why would anyone continue? you obviously believe they are safe because you have not done any research into natural immunity or the dangers of vaccines... you are just believing the old vet... and the same old lies they believe...following the crowd... i choose to not poison my pets
any longer...

People continue to give vaccines because vaccines save way more lives than they damage. Ignoring the advice of others, who have studied a great deal more than you, is foolish. This tells me a lot about your breeding program and the type of research you do.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i ask you to understand that this is very serious...if vaccines are causing damage, why would anyone continue? you obviously believe they are safe because you have not done any research into natural immunity or the dangers of vaccines... you are just believing the old vet... and the same old lies they believe...following the crowd... i choose to not poison my pets
any longer...

And you are believing what other people are saying. I'm sorry, but, puppies need their vaccinations.

[chachi]

I hope no one reads this and thinks its okay not to vaccinate their dog

[tiggerr36792]

Originally Posted by cesar49

i ask you to understand that this is very serious...if vaccines are causing damage, why would anyone continue? you obviously believe they are safe because you have not done any research into natural immunity or the dangers of vaccines... you are just believing the old vet... and the same old lies they believe...following the crowd... i choose to not poison my pets
any longer...

Vaccines ARE effective and should be used properly for every puppy. Until there is factual information as to anything otherwise, you are misinforming alot of people. If you choose to personally NOT vaccinate your dogs I have to say thats your stupidity. Unless you live in a 100% germ free enviornment, clean constantly with bleach and dont take you pets outside at all your leaving an open door for them to get deathly ill.