I'd also like to add that my sister purchased a Doberman from a show breeder. It had the word "KENNEL" in the name when she called to inquire about a puppy. There were separate areas for whelping, grooming and whatever else she needed to do with her dogs that she owned. It did not look like the local shelter. But at the same time there is a thread in the rescue forum with very sick dogs that were from a show breeder that were very sick from neglect. It's all about your breeding ethics and quality of care that you (in general) give to your dogs.

I'm not understanding what you are trying to say. :confused:

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Are you a "volume breeder"? My comments, along with my eye roll, was for those that are volume breeders and also those that are in support of them.

Jodi, there's more to life than a dog show and I feel that if a person thinks that they need to put their precious animals in a kennel, then their priorities are a little messed up.

This has been asked about "pet breeders", but how about directed at those that show....just how many breeders do we need to "better the breed"? How many is too many? I know that some, within this thread, have said that 5-10 litters a year is fine depending on who the breeder is and on their facility and the money that they have to provide for care. Why is this okay?

Tammy I'd trade places with my show dogs any day. First my dogs have all the best of food for their healthy diet, that is home cooked by me, and served up by me. Then I would have someone who would be bathe me frequently, and give me daily massages during bath times and before exercising and after exercising. I would have a high quality bed that supports my joints well. At the least little sneeze I'd be bundled up and taken to the doctor to see what is what.
Then I'd have someone who took me on lots of interesting walks and hikes, swimming in the lake in the summer, and in the winter at an indoor pool.
My hair would always be nicely brushed and I'd never have any knots.
Then 2 or 3 times a week I get to show off my jumping skills and heeling skills because I love to keep my brain engaged, and there is nothing I like more than working with the one I love the most.
I would have someone to give me a free weekly pedicure, and nice hairstyle too

Once a month or so I'd go to a really exciting place with lots of dogs around, and I'd get to strut my stuff in the ring. I love doing this because I know I'm with Mom 24/7 those days, and in her presence which is the bestest thing I could ask for.

Oh yes; I'd have someone to plan my vacations so that I could come, and then we'd swim everyday, and hike, and have BBq's.

I'd have someone who always buckled me into my car seat/crate, and took me all around, we get to meet lots of ppl when Mom's says let's go have fun and do some shopping too.

So yes Tammy I'd exchaange my life for that of one of my show dogs.

Tammy, I am not a Breeder but I am an Exhibitor and a Pet owner. Have you
been to a Dog Show? You might want to go to a Specialty and visit with
these Breeders and their Yorkies. They love their dogs and the dogs are well
cared for. You will see a Spectacular representation of a Yorkie. Their
Breeding practices are very defined. Lot's of research goes into Breeding,
not just putting two dogs together. My Mentor has Championed over 100
dogs and Bitches.
I am so amazed on how she studies the lines and goes back many generations before breeding.

You need to come to San Antonio in
July!!!

Gail, Can I be your show dog in my next life? I'll trade my life for your show dog anytime LOL...

There are some that just aren't going to get it or want to understand it or go to a dog show or really get involved in it. That's ok to those who don't but to those that do will have a deeper understanding of what is all involved and entails.
Donna

LOL of course Donna; as long as I could be one of your show dogs in my next life;) Ahem can I choose the sex? If so I've always wanted to live a life as a male:p

That argument could be made about any endeavor in life. There is more to life...who is to determine what is important or meaningful or worthy?

I have only been to 1 show and visited 1 show home, but I have seen the passion and I understand the attraction.

I'm already on Gail's wait list to be one of her show dogs. :D

Well heck there is more to life than one's passion for going to a baseball game, or football or basketball or a basket weaving class....at least when I put dogs in their kennels it's for their protection...

The word "kennel" is not a dirty word...dictionary says it is a place where dogs are housed, bred, trained or boarded..so I would say anyone here who has a dog, breeds it, trains it not to pee on the floor, provides a food and shelter..HAS A KENNEL.

AKC refers to a breeders prefix..as a Kennel prefix..they do not care if you have 1 or 50, 500...

The biggest mistake a novice breeder makes is saying they breed for health and temperment..a good pet for families. It is not enough...good pets come from shelters of all types...why breed more. The only reason to ever, ever breed a purebred litter of puppies to follow the standard as best as possible, present the show quality to be judged by your peers..do not harm to the breed and strive to improve, not destroy the breed.

Believe it or not this can be done on a very small basis in your home or in a large kennel...
AND one more point if I may...people complain show people are snobbish, won't converse at shows, standoffish...it is the same as going up to a professional athlete at a game and asking questions...it may all look like fun and games, but it is dead serious...without show breeders the Yorkie disappears or what we know as a Yorkie disappears. Are exhibtors the only ones who can produce a quality litter?..NO, but without close ties and involvement you are fooling yourself.

In turn, my question would be~" how many breeders do we need that are NOT bettering the breed"? I'd much rather see a well tended small home kennel producing 5 to 10 litters of puppies who is a member of a breeding club with governing rules to follow and answer to regarding their ethics and breeding vs the alternative. I have a home full of the alternative and see it here every day. :( Have you been reading and posting to any of the sick puppy threads since Christmas? It's heartbreaking to read and fathom how many horrible breeders there are cranking out puppies.

PS..an unhappy, nelgected, unloved Yorkie does not a good show dog make...

[QUOTE=megansmomma;3378963]In turn, my question would be~" how many breeders do we need that are NOT bettering the breed"?

ZERO...

Exactly! :thumbup:

The problem that I see is that some think that breeding is their right. They will do what they want and fight and argue their agenda whatever that might be. I'd much rather see someone whelping multiple litters of puppies that are excellent representation of the breed and then placed into excellent home.

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Well IMO we need all breeders to do their utmost to "preserve" the breed. That is not so easy as you would think. to breed the right temperament, health, structure, coat and color. To leave the breed with good solid respresentatives of said breed.

To better the breed is the pinnacle of success. If only one breeder could breed out a major health concern of the Yorkie, yet still come true to type, coat, color, temperament, what an accomplishment!

For me bettering the breed encompasses the whole dog. To leave this breed better in if not "all ways" but in at least one way, with not losing out on all other traits or characteristics of the breed.

Well I think they do think that, in fact our dogs as much as we love them, are treated under law as "property", and as such, I think that is where many of the attitudes come from. You do what you wish with your "property" always subject to laws governing the use, the selling of "said" property.

[quote=gemy;3378994]What is up with the weird quoting? I had to go back and redo my last post because it quoted me with a :thumbup: instead of YorkieRose.

As for what you are saying..............I couldn't agree more. That is what I find so troubling regarding so many breeders. They just don't understand what it takes to breed an excellent representation of the breed. This is exactly why there are so many people that are disappointed in the look of their adult yorkie. I really think that it is so much more relevant with this breed. To my untrained eye I look at Golden Retriever and they pretty much look the same (very generally speaking). You see a GR on the street and someone is not going to stop you and tell you that it isn't that breed you purchased. This is not to say that there are not health or temperament issues involved in these dogs. Just a very broad comparison and I am not saying other breeds should not be help to the standard.
There are so many threads on YT with members having hurt feelings when they are questioned or even argued with about their dog being a yorkie. The uninformed buyer purchases from a disreputable breeder and the dogs don't look anything like the breed, have health issues etc. that effect both the owner and dog for life. Who wants these kinds of breeding going on? It's just wrong.

If you are rigid about what your rules are for a good breeder, that's fine. But to condemn any breeder outside of your rules is narrow minded, IMO. However, you have the right to be narrow minded too.

No, I am not a volume breeder. But I know some and they are dedicated to their dogs. It's what they spend most of their lives taking care of. It's not nice to roll your eyes. It's insulting. We can have a decent conversation without it.

This sounds awesome. Never a dull moment for this pup I suppose.

To this I have a question. If a dog has the looks, and health to compete in the show ring, has a beautiful temperament, but just does not have the show personality, are they shown? Or would beautiful temperament = show personality? I'm sorry if that's a dumb question, I really know 0 about showing.

I know showing a dog is not comparable to a beauty pageant, because in a beauty pageant, people aren't up there for others to decide of they are "breeding worthy." :p
But, for the sake of argument, humor me and let's say they are the same just for a moment.
There are plenty of beautiful women in the world, that are sweet and have many talents. They don't all automatically go to talent shows because it just isn't their thing. Is this the same in the dog world?

It's not a dumb question :) I know the dog needs to have the attitude/personality to go with everything else. I wouldn't take a dog in the show ring if it didn't have the outgoing personality because to me that shows the dog isn't enjoying himself why would you want to make it show? Just as with children, why make them play basketball if they don't have the drive or the want to play?
I know a mentor of mine had a nice yorkie that did have points on him and there was an incident where she fell in the ring because she slipped on the concrete on a piece of chicken and it scared the dog so bad that he didn't like the ring anymore and she never finished him because why put him through the anguish? To me they have to have it all and that includes personality :)

Donna

[quote=gemy;3378994]IN a perfect world all breeders would care about the breed they produce...but I am sorry to say there are far more puppymilllers and poor breeders in the US then the good breeder. It is like an iceberg, as big as the top may be...what lies below is the real iceberg.

Was it KFC :chicken:

Sorry Donna I just couldn't help myself :jester3:

There is a certain presence that you see and feel when you watch a dog in the ring. It's electrifying to watch and even more so in person. It would be like taking Ellie May Clampet to a beauty pageant. She was a hot little dish but out of her element in Beverly Hills :p

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These horrible breeders you are referring to are not breeder/exhibitors. Do you find champion sired or fine pedigreed Yorkies in rescue? A Durrer, Nicnac, Pastoral, Stratford, Carneal, Tiffany, Mariah, etc.? Nope... they are in the finest of homes. You won't find one of mine unless it's over my dead body somehow.

I agree with this too. There is lots of one to one time training a show dog, I know many people don't believe that we should make our dogs work, but I know Joey loves the time I spend "trick training" him. His training is not about the result, but the idea that we are working together on something. He reminds me so much of my human kids when they had learned a new skill, it's like they are so darn proud of themselves. I really wish I had the skill set to train a dog for the ring.

Jodi knows that, I think you may have misread her reply. She works in rescue, and not all rescue workers are against breeding properly.

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