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[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

You're more than welcome to come to Texas great mentors here besides myself too
We'd welcome you with open arms.

Donna

THank you Donna. We could learn to show, and all Hog Hunt together when not showing. Now that would be the life!

In all seriousness, we could not ask for more to learn from you, Lee, or Mary St. Mardelin ( love the St. Part )

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

I know you and Mardelin think you know about correct shoulder place, the right angluation and what puts a good dog in motion. That's why I felt compelled to issue a warning to those who might think you do too.

Thanks again for your insight and input, your comments are appreciated

Donna

[shodanusmc]

Straight, how about you run along and go start your own thread. I am sure there are many that would love to comment on your brillance. Both of the ladies you are jealous of have forgotten more than you know. Now please, take a hint, change names, and change your attitude. Nothing like a bitter cyber keyboard warrior.

[shodanusmc]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Thanks again for your insight and input, your comments are appreciated

Donna

That about sums it up!

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Wow! I wish you were content just commenting on threads that would add to the education instead of something you know nothing about of the breeder you seem to attack at every turn. I do believe Mardelin and myself know about structure and movement and the breeding basics and beyond.
With that said, I know correct shoulder placement, the right angluation and what puts a good dog in motion. But I hope this thread stays postive and please don't let one ruin what it's meant to be

Thanks Straightsilk for your input.

Donna

You're right Donna, However, having an incorrect shoulder/layback....will result in dog leading with their head, affect their reach and a dog with an incorrect layback will not affect a topline if it is solid. Much more to accessing a dog than just a shoulder......

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Donna as I would have missed it had you not quoted the poster who definately has nothing better to do than negatively attack people. People that do this as to bolster their own self esteem.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

I know you and Mardelin think you know about correct shoulder place, the right "angluation" and what puts a good dog in motion. That's why I felt compelled to issue a warning to those who might think you do too. You two don't have a clue how utterly foolish you sound most of the time.

Well, I feel this has been an educational and friendly thread. I know a bit but still have much to learn, but I don't see anything productive in just throwing out criticisms. Why not explain what you mean if you feel differently than Donna or Mary?

My take on what Mary says about structure is that if the shoulder or stifle is off, it will show up in the topline and movement of the dog. She doesn't break it down as such, but that's my interpretation of it.

As I said before, if you feel differently, why not explain what you mean and keep with the educational spirit of this thread? We're all subject to learning something new, so would love to hear your input if you have any specific thoughts on this.

[straightsilk]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

You're right Donna, However, having an incorrect shoulder/layback....will result in dog leading with their head, affect their reach and a dog with an incorrect layback will not affect a topline if it is solid. Much more to accessing a dog than just a shoulder......

Thanks for bringing this to my attention Donna as I would have missed it had you not quoted the poster who definately has nothing better to do than negatively attack people. People that do this as to bolster their own self esteem.

While there may be much more to "assessing" a dog than "just a shoulder", if the shoulder is wrong, everything else about the structure will be too.

Study up, hon. Knowing a lot more than anyone else on THIS forum doesn't mean much at all in the real dog world.

[straightsilk]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Well, I feel this has been an educational and friendly thread. I know a bit but still have much to learn, but I don't see anything productive in just throwing out criticisms. Why not explain what you mean if you feel differently than Donna or Mary?

My take on what Mary says about structure is that if the shoulder or stifle is off, it will show up in the topline and movement of the dog. She doesn't break it down as such, but that's my interpretation of it.

As I said before, if you feel differently, why not explain what you mean and keep with the educational spirit of this thread? We're all subject to learning something new, so would love to hear your input if you have any specific thoughts on this.

In the educational spirit of this thread, I advised to go to a non-Yorkie person for your education in structure. Yorkie people are focused on coat, topline, head and it shows in the breed. Go to a breed that works and learn structure from those people.

Had enough for now. Remember Yorkies are dogs and their small bodies are required to do everything a larger dogs body does. You do a great disservice to the breed to neglect the importance of structure.

[Brooklynn]

Everyone, Straightsilk can post on this thread as she/he is welcome with opinions like us all. If she feels she can help with the education I welcome it. However, I am saddened that she/he has kinda turned it negative and on the attack but this too is expected in most every thread in the breeding and or showing threads. Maybe we can all learn from Straighsilk as well. Please enlighten us

Donna

[straightsilk]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

So you think the majority of Yorkietalkers know less than zero, thank you very much, but at least we seem willing to learn something. Yes, Mary and Donna are held in high esteem here, and that really ticks some people off, and you seem to be the latest victim. What is your background, have you shown yorkies, have you ever finished a champion? What gives you this expertise? Both Donna and Mary are the first to say they don't know everything and that breeding yorkies is a continuing education, but I see your posts as only criticism, and never anything constructive. Feel free to offer any real information, but once you start insulting forum members, and you have insulted all of us, you limit your ability to offer any useful information.

Of the some odd million members, yes, most know less than zero.

Take your own advice just once and comment on the substance of what I said and not the tone. Any disagreement with Mardelin or Brooklynn or any of the other pseudo experts brings you out of the woodwork with this exact type of response.

My credentials are none of your dam business. Lots of dogs get their championships with a clueless owner as we've seen witnessed here on YT. Many litters of puppies are on the ground in the same situation. Study, discussion with real experts and a lot of observation will always be superior to the casual advice of a self-appointed pet forum "expert". That's good advice no matter what my background. Take it or leave it.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Study up, hon. Knowing a lot more than anyone else on THIS forum doesn't mean much at all in the real dog world.

Can I ask, with genuine curiosity, why you are here then?

These kinds of comments won't be tolerated. Not bc of what you imply about YT, but because you seem to be attempting to denigrate (in a very purposeful way and for no apparent reason) both Mary and Donna, who happen to be very experienced as Exhibitors. In addition, their love for Yorkshire Terriers exceeds the tangible.

If you have questions, ask them (and EXPECT responses); but there is nothing constructive or educational about making snide comments.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by straightsilk

Of the some odd million members, yes, most know less than zero.

Take your own advice just once and comment on the substance of what I said and not the tone. Any disagreement with Mardelin or Brooklynn or any of the other pseudo experts brings you out of the woodwork with this exact type of response.

My credentials are none of your dam business. Lots of dogs get their championships with a clueless owner as we've seen witnessed here on YT. Many litters of puppies are on the ground in the same situation. Study, discussion with real experts and a lot of observation will always be superior to the casual advice of a self-appointed pet forum "expert". That's good advice no matter what my background. Take it or leave it.

I'll go ahead and close this thread for you now.